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15 April 2010
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First of all, when we refer to the ACN Scam we are not trying to say that what ACN does is illegal in any way. ACN the corporation is not a scam. When we refer to ‘The ACN Scam’ we are referring to the practices of certain independent representatives. In our opinion (based on limited experience) it seems that many ACN members have been “scammed” into believing that making money in ACN is more realistic than it actually is. 

This article has nothing but good things to say about ACN the corporation. They provide great services at a great price and have utilized a unique means of sales and advertising. The article seeks only to discuss the strategies and activities of some of the reps within ACN (which often times are likely not in accordance with what ACN the corporation encourages or condones.)

The Basics of the ACN Scam

The scam works by convincing people that they have are going to make a lot of money in the telecom industry by selling a few video phones, satellite TV subscriptions, cell phones, landlines, etc and encouraging a few of their friends to do the same. It’s a simple concept and in theory is quite easy. Anyone can sell 3 services and we would argue that anyone could also find a friend to do the same. The issue, in our opinion, comes when you actually try to do it. There is very limited data on the success rates of ACN Independent Representatives. Most people are told from the start that less than one in 100 are successful in the business. Additionally, a recent study (see references) has shown that approximately 0.5%  (less than 1 in 200) even make their initial $500 investment back.  The problem: certain representatives are so good at convincing you, that everyone believes they will be the 1 out of 200 who actually makes money! Why?

The Giveaways that Suggest ACN is a Scam

Here are a few things that should suggest why ACN is not worth your time or your reputation:

  • All the money is in the sign-up fees! We know they claim that the sign-up fee goes to registering your personal business, getting you a license with the FCC/CRTC etc… You can’t blame them for charging some sort of fee – there is obviously some setup work required and if people could join and quit with no penalty, then they would do it constantly and cost the company a fortune. Our guess is that the set-up process for an individual rep probably costs the company around $20 (based on the assumption that all they really have to do is add you to a database and send you a glossy package). So why charge $500? We suspect the obvious, to pay the bonuses! ACN sells it as “the bonuses will start you off, and the residual income will sustain you later in your career.” This seems impossible - we challenge anyone considering the ACN opportunity to ask their recruiter if the bonuses make up the majority of their income. We suspect this is generally the case, but would recommend you check for yourself – the exception to this rule would be when the individual has not yet earned a bonus – in which case their minimal income would be a product of service commissions. It seems to us that the bulk of  the payouts are in the sign-up fees. If this is true, this meets the definition of a pyramid scheme, we know they convince you that their products make the business legitimate, indeed some income must come from phone/TV bills, but is that enough? A scam is a scam and just because the company pays out some money in actual service-bill revenue does not make it legitimate in our opinion.
    From the ACN Integrity Site:
  • “As distinguished from the legitimate multilevel business opportunity advanced by ACN there are some companies who continue to engage in illegal pyramid sales. Simply defined, an illegal pyramid sales program occurs when persons are induced to purchase the right to sell a product by representations that they could regain their purchase price and also earn profits by subsequently selling the same right to sell to others. This certainly does not occur with the ACN Opportunity.”
  • Are they kidding? Maybe a typo? by this definition ACN seems to us to clearly be a Pyramid Scheme
  • The “Recruiting Process” is long, hard and strange. Sure a few people sign up on the spot, but the vast majority are fall under the “Some Wait” category. Once you are in, often times you become so wrapped up in things that you find it hard to imagine why anyone wouldn’t sign up – but think about it: If the opportunity were as good as you have convinced yourself it is, then most of your friends would sign up on the spot. This big disconnect between what you think of the opportunity and what the majority of the people you show it to think of it should make you nervous. We recommend everyone understand the concept of position marketing described here: Position Marketing
  • If the statistics showed that most people make a lot of money in ACN, then the above point should not make you nervous – if it really was a good opportunity, then it wouldn’t matter if people took a little convincing before they saw the light. But the limited facts seem to suggest that almost nobody makes money in ACN. The average (mean) income of an ACN representative less than $2 a month (see references). The odds are HEAVILY in favor of you having to admit to all your friends that you were wrong in trying to convince them to join ACN.
  • ACN has an entire website (ACN Integrity) devoted to proving that they are not a fraudulent company. The fact that this website even exists means the vast majority of people will probably assume that ACN is a scam. As I’m sure you’ve realized already, most people do assume it is a scam (at first glance.) This means that nearly everyone you attempt to recruit and almost every customer you seek to acquire is going to (at least initially) think that you are involved in an illegitimate business. This is not something you want to be associated with – not when the odds of you losing money are 100 times greater than the odds of you paying off your initial investment. Sure, maybe you can deal with people thinking you’re part of a scam, because deep down you ‘know’ you are going to get rich and ‘show them’. That seems to be what everyone thinks.. and yet so many are proven wrong.
  • Obviously ACN is not illegal, or they would not exist! The strange part comes when they fall back on this proof of legality as an argument for why it is a good business. Why should the fact that it’s legal mean that it’s a good way for you to make money? Occasionally they seem to use the fact that it’s “almost illegal” as a way to convince you that there must be money in the business. They use quotes like “Direct TV is in on the Scam, Bell Canada is in on the Scam, in fact, you’re the only one who isn’t in on the Scam!” Does the fact that ACN might seem like a scam make it more likely you will get rich?
  • To all those sold on the tax argument. No doubt your upline has told you that once you sign up for ACN everything will become a tax “write-off”. If all you’re in it for is the tax breaks, why don’t you register a business of your own for a tenth of the cost? Just because you’ll get a few tax deductions doesn’t mean you should spend $500. Legally you can only deduct expenses that were incurred as a result of the business. Therefore, the only way you are going to save money is by spending a lot more. The fact that tax deductions become available once you join ACN will only save you money if you plan to file a false tax return and deduct expenses that you already had prior to joining – not a good idea!
  • Look at what you give up! Can anyone name an industry that requires you to be hated by so many people (see comments below) and still has such a low success rate? Success shouldn’t (and usually doesn’t) require you to hurt your personal relationships.

The Perceived Premise of ACN: Push the Favor – Trade your Dignity for Income

Even panhandlers can make a little money by begging on the streets to a bunch of random people who they have never met. If you were to elaborate on this concept and take a group of beggers who were more socially acceptable than bums, then have them beg to people they actually knew – not just for money, but for “a Favor” – you’re sure to see better results than the bums on the street. Even bums have documented success stories in which they have earned over $100,000 per year, yet none of us are running out to join that profession. As it turns out, the average (mean) panhandler makes over 400 times the annual salary of the ACN independent representative. Doesn’t this seem a little strange?

Honestly, ACN is a beautiful idea: It seems to us they have taken the collective ability of 1 million people to beg and pester their friends/family for a favor, and turned it into an enormous business. We admit, the begging power of this many independent representatives is huge – and hugely profitable. The issue is that none of the beggers make enough money – all of the cash floats to the top. It would appear the vast majority of independent reps have traded a portion of their dignity just to make their upline some money.

The Saddest Part of the ACN Scam

There are 2 parts to this: Firstly, the majority of reps don’t make money, and secondly, if you work hard enough at ACN you will indeed make money. This tricky situation allows ACN reps/recruiters to use terribly effective tactics to encourage their reps to keep on recruiting in order to make money. For example – say John tells Bob that all he has to do to be successful  is keep on showing the business to more people and eventually he will be rich – the harder he works the more money he will make. Bob takes this recommendation to heart since he has been told the same thing most of his life – more work (hard or smart) equals more money. Bob shows the business to 300 people over the course of the year, 60 of them sign up, and 2 of them actually make their initial investment back. By this time Bob has earned a decent chunk of cash for himself along with some solid residual income. John was right – hard work actually paid off in ACN! Screw the haters, this is a legitimate business :)  … but what about the 58 people who signed up and lost money? Is hard work still a reasonable justification for profits when you have caused 58 people to part with their money by promising them great returns and delivering them nothing? Oh wait – but it’s alright because you gave everyone fair warning that making money in this business means hard work and they new from the get-go what the odds were of making money. Ya.. maybe you did explain this, but 5 minutes after that talk you halled them off to a rah rah pep rally and subjected them to 3 hours of watching people who claim to be rich walk accross stage spouting how great ACN is. Don’t these 2 actions (telling recruits that ACN is nearly impossible, then flashing riches and success stories in front of them..) seem a little contradictory? In any event, it would appear that anyone who actually  “Made it” in ACN (through all that “hard work” promoted by the brain washed reps) only got there by screwing a sizable number of people out of their signup fee. ACN might make you rich if you work hard enough – but based on the data, it’s going to require that you make a lot of other people poor.

Jim Rohn probably said it best: Service to Many Leads to Greatness. We want to achieve greatness at the service to many – ACN seems to seek greatness at the expense of many.

Our Recommendation

If you’re about to spend $500 on ACN, at least think about your other alternatives and keep the statistics in mind. You can say with 99% confidence that you are more likely to make money putting the $500 into a savings account. But ACN, like all business ventures, is a risk – and the only way you make it big is by taking risks. We argue that there are better risks you can take. Think for a moment why you would say yes to ACN – probably not because of the odds, but because you know that you have all these people in your upline who are doing it already and are willing to help you. This is a highly emotional reason for starting a business, and you should probably put a little more emphasis on the facts.

Ask For Proof! Get some proof from your upline (at a level close to you, not proof from the top) that they are actually making money. A lot of independent reps pretend that ACN is making them rich, when really they are just as broke as everyone else. Be careful – find some proof that the people whose footsteps you’re about to follow in are actually doing what they claim to be. Too much of your time, money, and reputation are about to be put on the line for you to just take their word for it. Good Luck!

Feedback

Leave us some comments below. We are open to and uncritical of what anybody has to say. Do you think what we have said is right? Do you have a contradiction to our arguments that shows ACN really is a good way to make money?

References:

  1. Graser D. Panhandling for change in Canadian law. J Law Soc Policy 2000;15:45-91.
  2. ACN Integrity – http://www.acnintegrity.com/nopyramidscheme.html
  3. Stackhouse J. Seven days on the street [series]. Globe and Mail [Toronto] 1999 Dec 18,20,21.
  4. ACN Income study – http://bindone.org/acn-income-study
  5. MLM-TheTruth: Shocking MLM Stats – http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/ShockingMLMstats

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  • Power hungry

    WOW, you 2 or 3 guys need to find something better to do with your life! If you carry that much rage around, you are going to have a heart attack or stroke.
    I checked this site to find out if ACN is real and if the services are real. I did not know about agents, $500, or recruiting. I just wanted to know if I should buy power from thru them. What I found here was not at all what I expected! It seems to me that “the truth” is anything but… it seems to me that you have a very passionate attachment to ACN. It seems to me that you also post under many names (thus the 2 or 3 people comment) and that is fine…Except you are not letting people choose are you? If you truly want people to not get scammed then tell them why its a scam and then let others have there say. If you are right people will see it, if not, there loss, you tryed to warn them. Posting replys under different names that agree with you is very transparent as well as sad.
    You also stated that you have nothing to do with ACN and had never had anything to do with ACN, yet seems to know all about how the company works, the products, the meetings and fees, the names and acyros used… everything. WOW thats alot of info for someone who has never been, isnt now and will never be a part of ACN. My next question is this- Why do you care? What is the issue? As you have nothing to do with ACN I ask again why do you care?
    Which brings me to my conclusion… you sir are either a disgruntled employee or a basterd Flamer. Which is it? I think employee. You should move on, go outside and relax a bit, or have that stroke, its up to you!
    Does anyone have any info on ACN as a reseller?

    • Onebdmax

      Who is “you” that you are referring to PH? Please tell. I know five things here.
      1- I am ONE person on this site.
      2- I care about good hard working folks getting lied to for the almighty ACN and coveted $499.00.
      3- ACN is a SCAM.
      4- Don’t buy power from them or Ignite Energy….see 4.
      5- It seems to me that you are a ACN homer or flamer, pick one!

    • Onebdmax

      Who is “you” that you are referring to PH? Please tell. I know five things here.
      1- I am ONE person on this site.
      2- I care about good hard working folks getting lied to for the almighty ACN and coveted $499.00.
      3- ACN is a SCAM.
      4- Don’t buy power from them or Ignite Energy….see 4.
      5- It seems to me that you are a ACN homer or flamer, pick one!

    • Onebdmax

      Who is “you” that you are referring to PH? Please tell. I know five things here.
      1- I am ONE person on this site.
      2- I care about good hard working folks getting lied to for the almighty ACN and coveted $499.00.
      3- ACN is a SCAM.
      4- Don’t buy power from them or Ignite Energy….see 4.
      5- It seems to me that you are a ACN homer or flamer, pick one!

    • truth speaker

      By the way loser (I mean ACN plant) it is ‘their’ not ‘there’. And it is ‘tried’ not ‘tryed’. How about ‘replies’ rather than ‘replys’? And what is ‘acyros’? And what is a ‘basterd flamer’? Are you trying to spell ‘bastard’? Are you mildly retarded? And the reason I care, and I”m assuming you were referencing me since you mentioned truth, is because innocent people need to be warned about this scam. It is an evil pyramid scheme that preys on your friends and family members. It destroys relationships because it is based on lying to people. And I don’t believe a word of what you say concerning just looking into ACN as an energy customer. ACN does not give a shit about selling services. Sure they say they do because that’s part of the scam. I guarantee an ACN rep did not just contact you about an energy contract without inviting you to a presentation. I’ve been approached by multiple ACN and Ignite Energy reps and not one of them could even get me a quote and actually show me how much I could save. All they wanted was for me to attend their phoney ass presentation. And the only name I post under is ‘truth speaker’ so your accusations are false my friend.

    • Buddy

      Well Power hungry you asked multiple times “Why do we care?” Ill tell you why. Because this horrible scam ruins friendships. Seems to me that almost everyone who has posted here has lost at least one friend if not more to this scam. I myself have lost a few friends to this scam – they wont even call me anymore because I called them on this shit! I know enough about this “company” to post here because I was tricked into going to an ACN presentation by my friend. He said, “Hey Bud I am looking into this new business and value your opinion, would you go with me please and tell me what you think?” When I asked his what the business was called he avoided telling me. Now PH I have never in my life been tricked into going to a MLM pyramid scam meeting in my life so I didn’t know the red flags… although looking back it did seem very strange to me what my friend was saying and how he was saying it. I am an old paratrooper and should have known better but I went because I thought I was doing my friend a “favor.” This is what ACN teaches their reps to do PH. They teach them to lie! Never in my whole life have I seen such a ridiculous pack of lies! A few of my other friends were there as well and needless to say, I asked so many hard questions and for proof (bank statements, ACN checks still in a sealed envelope) That it was really embarrassing for them when they could not produce an answer or any proof of the money they claimed to make. Are these the actions of real friends? To lie to me just to get me where they want me which is at their phony presentation??? I would rather go to my grave than do this to one of my friends or family. The same dumb bastard invited me to Dennys for coffee and did it again! At that point Id had enough… Im just too old for this shit…

      So why do we care??? Hey PH there is nothing wrong with posting here to warn people about falling victim to this scam. When I type the word “ACN” into google the word SCAM comes right up and this site comes with it. Ill bet a shit ton of people read the very passionate posts here and stay away from this scam, and that is a good thing!

      As far as posting here under alternate names? Do you really think someone would waste that much time? I have a hard time with that and don’t believe it for a second. No PH, I think the posts here are legit right down to the letter. I know mine are. And yes I miss my friends that have been brainwashed by this cult. I hope to go golfing with them again some day…

      Learn the warning signs people about this and I assume other MLM pyramid scams! Done be sucked in by it!

      • truth speaker

        Well said Buddy!!!! And all very, very true. Maybe I should not post this since Power Hungry will think we are the same person posting under different names.

  • steve bage

    a friend of mine took me 2 a bussiness meeting say it will help my bussiness be better and it was this acn bullshit. the speakers were so fake u can read rght through them. dont fall for this shit ass acn

  • Lightrain

    Interesting to read the comments here. I’ve just “given up” on ACN after being involved for about a year.
    My Experience –
    When I first saw the business, I thought it was a legitamate and interesting prospect. ACN is still pretty new in the UK, and has a few issues – but that didnt put me off.
    I was introduced by a friend who is a hardcore ACN fanatic, and he seems to be really enjoying it. I know he’s not making money, and has invested a ton of time (and money) in to the business – but he does appear to be happy and confident it will work out in the long run. I still wish him the best of luck – and if it can be done – he will get there.
    I got past the first couple of stages in the pyramid fairly easily, but I reached a point where I had ‘prospected’ everyone I knew, and of those who came on board, keeping them there was impossible. I began to see serious cracks in the system and also found out that the friend who introduced me to ACN had actually outright lied to me about a few things. I dont hold a grudge or anything, because I can see how the ACN process will brainwash you in to doing things you wouldnt normally do – But it was that realisation that really turned me off and I began to question if this is what I really want to do with my life. Is this how I want people to remember me? No….. probably not.
    THE GOOD
    I do have some positive comments about ACN.
    The personal development culture
    The people I have met through the business encouraged me to read tons of personal development books. These have really enriched my life (although not in ACN) but the skills I’ve picked up have helped loads with my personal and professional life. During the time I’ve been with ACN I’ve got married and landed a job i thought was totally out of my league.
    If I wasnt part of ACN, I probably wouldnt have been influenced in to taking an active approach to my personal development, which I feel is really important for anyone.
    Sales and Marketing education
    I do work in sales and feel I am a pretty good sales person. ACN has taught me some skills that I will continue to use in life. I think this is credit to my upline, who are really great people. Reading the horror stories here make me question what ACN is like in America – because the culture of my immediate upline was really good.
    THE BAD
    The product sucks
    Maybe this is just in the UK – but I honestly believe that our product line is really poor. The fixed line deal is pretty much cost neutral and has no real benefit to the customers. You literally have to make every sale as ‘a favor’ from the buyer. This is embaressing
    The mobile deals arent as good as what you can get on the high street with a bit of haggling
    The Broadband and TV package from Virgin media is good – but it’s only available in specific parts of the UK. Not mine sadly.
    I got in to ACN thinking I would have a competitive product to sell, and wouldnt have to rely on persuading people to help me out.
    Urgh, I almost forgot about the videophone. Their flagship product will not revolutionise communication – because we can do the same – on a PC – for free. With tablet hardware increasing in population – you can pretty much write off the videophone with the other technology that ‘almost made it’. (remember the minidisc?)
    Most of my sales came from renewing mobile phone contracts. Which was fairly straightforward.
    Up Selling from ACN
    This part was quite frustrating.
    Every month, ACN comes up with a new product to sell to the reps which will help them with their business – and even worse, they start applying the bonus points to these products. So basically if you dont buy these questionable products, like an online platform to monitor your non existent customers, business cards and propaganda dvds – You are almost holding yourself back, which in turn holds your upline back – which you will no doubt be questioned for.
    The “Training Events”
    Spending my saturdays travelling to these events, where I would sit in a room with about 100 of the ‘regulars’ and 2 or 3 guests (looking very nervous), and listen to the hyped sales pitch is not something I will miss.
    After the 2nd time at one of these events, I knew what was going to be said, and it was almost amusing to see the degree of hype and conviction from the supposed ‘champions’ of the business.
    THE UGLY
    The single largest factor that pushed me away from ACN was that when I was considering joining, one of the interesting points was that there was a current bonus promotion on for achieving a certain level within the pyramid within 1 year. I was told by a good friend of mine that this bonus was only available until the end of the month.
    After being with ACN for three months, and this same bonus promotion still being pushed – then we were told that we should say that it is ending soon to create a sense of urgency in our prospective clients… I realised that this business isnt so noble.
    The fact that my good friend had used that on me, told me everything I need to know.
    Conclusion
    You can make money with ACN – I’ve seen it done. But you can be damn sure that you can make the same money elsewhere, and not have to give away every ounce of dignitiy and integrity you have.
    You will have to work hard with ACN – and the same effort could have better results elsewhere and you can feel proud about what you have achieved.

    • exposed

      What an excellent post and so well written! Also so full of truth! I suppose that RickJP, Kaffman, D66, Mark and Lapidite will try to punch holes in it but they will fail as usual.

      The only part I have questions on Lightrain is how much money did you actually make? You were involved with this horrible scam for over a year and I would like to know how many people did you recruit under you? Are they still your friends? Do they hate you or avoid your phone calls? Did you apologize to them for lying to them and sucking them into this scam and sucking them out of $499? Hey man Im just wondering thats all. I have a hell of a lot of respect for an actual ACN rep who failed and has the guts to come on this site and post the real deal. Again I will ask, how much money did you make in that year? Ill bet not very damn much… Probably could have made more money working at McDonalds part time!

      Please post again and tell us these things Lightrain we would love to know.

      Again, thanks for the post!!!

    • Onebdmax

      Concur with exposed. Great post Lightrain! I still get a chuckle thinking about the session I went to. It would be a great skit for SNL.

  • exposed

    Melanie R I enjoyed reading your post however I don’t believe a word of it. Ill bet that “RVP” that you know in TX can barely pay his bills. This is a evil scam designed specifically to prey on your friends and family. It starts with lies and ends with hatred and resentment. It destroys friendships. Don’t tell me for one second that you personally know anyone who is successful in ACN because the only people who make money at this scam are the bastards who created it.

    When you had your “meeting” did you come right out and tell everyone you asked for a “favor” the name ACN? Did you ask them to come look at this business that you are looking into because you want their opinion on it? Did you have ACN plants in the audience? Shall I go on?

    In a year or so you, along with everyone else you know will quit this shit because thats all it is. If you get lucky 1 in 20 people you recruit will even pay the yearly renewal fee! Your post was well written and at least you didn’t try to offend anyone like that prick RickJP, but that does not change the fact that you are lying.

    My advise to you, unsolicited, is to stay in college and quit this scam now while you still have friends and family who respect you and think you are a smart woman… By reading you post you sure seem like one.

  • Eyes Wide Open

    1)
    “A fool and his money are
    soon parted”

    2)
    “A sucker is born every
    minute”

    These are the two
    founding principles behind the success of ACN. Everything else is a clever,
    ‘legally’ structured business model using even more clever word games. Ethical? Absolutely not. Do their tactics
    work and defy the consumer protection authorities? Yes. “You can’t touch
    this”. O.J. Simpson allegedly committed murder and his bank of lawyers successfully
    defended him.

    Donald Trump’s
    religion is money – ACN makes loads of money.
    That’s good enough for Donald. Integrity not required for success in
    business. It doesn’t matter that ACN is
    a game of smoke and mirrors…ACN doesn’t make its touted millions on the
    services it re-sells through their
    IBOs…it makes its millions by signing up new hordes of IBOs in a never-ending
    chain (the pyramid) and does so by dangling a lifestyle of the ‘rich and
    famous’ as the carrot. In tiny
    microscopic print however, their clever lawyers note on ACN recruiting handouts:

    Not all ACN IBOs make a profit. Success as an ACN IBO is not guaranteed but
    rather influenced by an individual’s specific effort.

    And what effort
    is that? Not selling a lot of services, which is just a front for the real
    business of recruiting more IBOs. They
    call it ‘building your team.’ How
    successful are you as a con man or con woman?
    For that is in essence of what ACN stands for – A Con Network.

    Do they care that
    the majority of their IBOs fail? Nope. Your
    failure is still their profit. Their ‘successful’ agents constantly hustle to get new new recruits…or
    their own profits plummet. New eager
    IBOs will eagerly fill the vacancies in pursuit of the golden carrot.

    The $500 IBO fee
    is the lifeblood of ACN. If we could
    start a world-wide movement to simply prevent any new IBOs from signing up for
    the next 12 months, you’d see how fast ACNs coffers would deplete and their
    ‘legal’ business model crash. Imagine that.

    But as long as
    human nature is what it is, and the cons of this world know the buttons to push,
    ACN will thrive and Donny T. will give his stamp of approval.

    Want a $500
    dollar investment that touts the same dream but doesn’t require you to con
    family, friends and gullible strangers, and actually funds community projects?
    Buy $500 worth of lottery tickets – about the same odds for success and a lot
    less work. And someone always wins too…who knows but next time it could be
    you. Ah limitless wealth and riches, here I come!

    To coin ACN reps’ favourite testimonial expression at a recent meeting, “joining ACN is a no
    brainer.” Sure. Just be sure to check your brain at the door and suspend all rational
    thinking. A no brainer indeed.

    I have a friend who recently joined; I wish her well but am certainly not subscribing to any services ‘as a favour’ nor will I become an ACN IBO. Sorry. In ACN lingo, I’m a very, very, very brown apple. Mushy and moldy even. LOL.

    • truth speaker

      Wow!!!! Excellent post. This is the most accurate and well written piece I have seen on this site. Thanks Eyes Wide Open!!!! This is a must read for anyone who is considering joining this cult/scam. Thanks again!!!!

    • exposed

      I have been following this site for about 4 years when one of my friends got involved with ACN. Needless to say, that friend and I are not friends anymore hence the reason I follow this site.

      Eyes Wide Open that was an excellent post! I agree with Truthspeaker wholeheartedly! I sincerely hope you keep posting here because I firmly believe that anyone who falls into the “some wait” category they will most likely come to this site when they google ACN. Just think how much better off the world would be if ACN wasn’t in it! A website like this could be the closest thing we all have of ridding the world of this scam once and for all! Again thanks!

  • Eyes Wide Open

    Truthspeaker and Expose – just thought you might be interested in knowing that the link under Wikipedia ACN Inc. which originally brought me to this webpage and discussion on ACN has been deleted in the last 48 hours…make of it what you will. See cut-and-paste below. Big Brother ACN is watching…they have to protect their market share of potential IBOs whose ignorance is ACN bliss. I guess Big Brother ACN felt threatened by the suggestion of starting a world-wide movement to prevent new ACN IBOs from signing on. Heaven forbid that should happen. LOL. Does anyone really believe that IF ACN really had unbeatable products and services as their mainstay and thousands of millionaires in their ‘uplines and dowlines’ that Big Brother ACN would give a hoot about what ‘little old us is saying, huh?’ Heck, if ACN IBOs are as ‘succesful’ as they would have us believe, in the numbers they would have us believe, they should have turned around the American economy by now. 20 years of recruiting IBO agents, all of them millionaires. Can someone figure out how many people that would potentially be, starting with the four founders?

    Here’s to ‘severely opinionated websites with no credibility.’ I don’t know about anyone else, but I think we’ve all just been paid a huge compliment!

    Strive on with the good fight. Save a friend from ACN.

    Latest revision as of 11:40, 17 October 2012 (edit) (undo)
    138.217.217.196 (talk)
    (→‎Non-ACN Affiliated Websites: severely opinionated website with no credibility and definitely not a neutral point of view)

    • exposed

      Wow! I am not surprised at all. Of course they would spend just about any amount of money to have Wikipedia delete that link! Wonder how much that cost them? I found this link with google myself. Ill check and see if it is still there and repost here as well. Haha! Big Brother ACN just hates this website because it is costing them millions of dollars! I love it!!! So how the hell do we get Wikipedia to put that link back so we can all keep warning the whole world of this evil scam that turns people into zombies and ruins good friendships?

      Your right Eyes Wide Open!!! We have been paid a huge compliment!!! Thanks for posting and keep it up!!!

    • truth speaker

      Thanks for posting this info Eyes Wide Open. When you type ACN in Google it automatically finds this site because when you type ACN into Google it automatically suggests the word scam behind it. People will still find this site hopefully. Screw you ACN and screw all of you lying, deceiving losers who perpetrate this scam on your friends and family members. There will be a warm place in hell for all of you.

    • Buddy

      What an excellent post! Thanks for the info Eyes Wide Open! It makes me sick what this evil scam has done too my friends and I will continue to fight the good fight until the day I die and make no mistake all you ACN clones, posting on this site IS THE BEST WAY TO FIGHT THIS EVIL SCAM!!!

  • sam

    I believe there is always a little or more scam in any business, you try to attract your customers by all means, hypocrisy, deceiving and everything, but good businesses benefit you in return. ACN style is the same, the good part is that a member can make reasonable money if they have the same perspective as ACN, fish for people who have the ability to multiply and the bad part, if the chain of multiplication break, everything stops, including your reputation

    • exposed

      ???What??? Scam in every business??? That sounds like something you might have heard in the last ACN meeting you were in.

      Make reasonable money??? Really??? Fish for people who have the ability to multiply??? Holy shit man wake up. ACN is nothing more than an evil scam designed to prey on your friends and family in order to suck $499 out of them. THATS IT. GET OUT NOW WHILE YOU STILL HAVE FRIENDS SAM.

      You are right about one thing though which is that your reputation will be destroyed completely if you keep pestering your friends with this shit!

    • truth speaker

      Sam why do you believe a scam exists in every business???? Does the grocery store scam us? Does the local laundromat have a scam. Is your doctor or dentist running a scam on you? I don’t think so. Attracting customers is a necessary part of business, but lying to people and hiding the name of a company to deceive people into getting them to attend a meeting that is packed with liars and plants all claiming to be making untold wealth is nothing more that a ridiculous scam. It’s not what most business people consider traditional advertising. Exposed is right, you probably just left one of the rah rah meetings and your tiny brain is filled with this unattainable dream that you are going to get rich by joining ACN. I got bad news for your my friend. If you have already cut the check your are actually going to end up poorer than you were. And you will have a hell of alot less friends and family members who will be willing to invite you into their homes. You do have a 10 day grace period to get your ‘investment’ back so you better get to it quickly. Good luck!!!

    • Onebdmax

      You ACN clowns crack me up. But please keep posting your vile crap. This will help chase away potential ACN recruits.

  • Donut man

    ASN is fucking bullshit buttttt…….they did have DONUTS AND SWEET TEA….YEAAAAAAHH!!!!!

    • truth speaker

      Were they good donuts like Boston Cream Filled or just shitty frosted donuts? Knowing ACN reps they may have been those little powder coated Hostess brand donuts that are all dry and stale. Just curious???? Anyone heard from that dickbag RickJP lately??? Maybe he and his firepluf of a son are really busy with ACN right now and doesn’t have time to post.

  • truth speaker

    I ran into a guy who approached me almost a year ago about ACN and I told him to not waste his breath. I wasn’t interested. About 6 months ago he approached me again about Ignite Energy. He basically told me it’s the same scam as ACN but has a cheaper recruiting fee. I told him that he was really seriously wasting his time with me because I was just not interested. Well I ran into him last night and I asked him how Ignite is going and I begged him to be honest with me. He told me he has made $3,000 in 6 months and he works the scam every day. He said he basically recruits everyone he comes in contact with. He told me people are very skeptical and most fall through the cracks before he gets them signed up. He said the ones who do sign up do it usually on impulse becasue they are all excited to find, what they believe to be this ‘great’ opportunity. He told me he doesn’t even care about selling services with ACN or Ignite because what he called ‘the good money’ is all in getting new recruits on board. I’m not sure $3,000 is what the average person would consider good money for working every day for 6 months and pissing off alot of people along the way. A scam is a scam is a scam my friends. If someone tells you they have this great opportunity they want to show you run to the hills. These people are not your friends. Delete them from your Facebook page, delete them from your phone, and tell thim to get lost. All they care about is the next recruiting fee you may send their way. Screw you ACN and screw you Ignite Energy.

  • joshua

    i have been in it for a year and im ready to leave i know that i have to pay the 150$ to continue acn but at the same time, they charge 40$ a month to keep you IBO open, does anyone know how to stop the IBO payment or do i have to change my bank account numbers?

    • truth speaker

      Joshua could you tell us why you are getting out? Also, what do you get for the $40 monthly fee? It seems as if ACN just can’t keep their greedy hands out of people’s pockets. The initial $499 rip-off just isn’t enough I guess.

  • exposed

    Wow do they ever stop? The ACN clones here have literally called my parents to hit them up with this scam! Thats it guys. I am going to make it my personal responsibility to end this shit in the city where I live. I am going to post all over Facebook and make some T-shirts that say “I HATE ACN.” Keep posting people. Lets expose ACN for what it is. An evil cult and an evil scam.

  • Kaylee

    People are so stupid and ignornant. The successful people at the top have PLENTY of time to do whatever they want because they have time and money. And I bet half of you bashing the company tried it, was lazy, and failed while the other half of you have no idea about the company and what they do. There will always be haters in the building. Most people are lazy and want things handed to them. Well surprise! Your in the real world and its called hard work and deterination that will bring you to the top. The funny thing is, why are their so many young successful people (21-30) in the ACN business if they do not come from money??? You’ll never know because all the people who are hating on ACN, want to watch other people fail to make themself feel better.. and that will get you nowhere.

    • truth speaker

      Kaylee must be fresh from one of the rah rah meetings where an endless parade of phonies and liars stand in front of the crowd telling everyone how wealthy ACN has made them. Welcome to the ‘REAL’ world Kaylee. There are only a hand full of people making money from ACN and it’s not you or your upline. The only people making ANY money are the people at the top of this evil pyramid scheme. And they are laughing all the way to the bank every time someone like you gets brainwashed and forks over your $495 to become an independent business owner, or should I say con artist. I can’t believe you didn’t mention Donald Trump, and the attorney generals on the board of directors, and the pro athletes who supposedley endorse ACN. Why didn’t you tell us that ATT&T, Sprint, and Verizon are all in on the scam as well??? You didn’t even mention the deregulation of energy and you didn’t use any of those phoney ass ACN slogans like ‘excel and prosper’ or ‘set a goal and achieve it’. Why didn’t you call us all broke 9 to 5 losers making our bosses rich. You didn’t even claim that every business, including the federal government, is a pyramid scheme. Are you sure you are really in ACN??? Wake up honey. Your have been tricked into believing you have stumbled on your ‘pot of gold’ when, in reality, you have been targeted as a dupe. Sorry to break the bad news to you. Now take out the trash for your parents and clean your room. They won’t let you live in the basement much longer after you attempt to scam them as well. Thanks for posting!!!!

    • Onebdmax

      As always I get a good laugh from you ACN folks. Well, TS said it all. So all I can say is keep posting your comedic vile dung for all to read. Ignorant, lazy hating guy over and out…..

    • truth speaker

      What’s wrong Kaylee??? I’m certain you checked to see if anyone responded to your post. Let’s hear your response. Or did the initial bliss of the recruitment process wear off that quickly? I’m guessing you woke up the next morning and started contacting a few friends and relatives about this incredible new opportunity you stumbled upon and found out that not a single one of them wanted anything to do with you or ACN. Sound familiar clones???? Welcome to the ‘Real World’ honey. That may have sounded a bit sexist but Kaylee did call us stupid and ignorant so my apologies go out to all the ladies in the audience.

    • Onebdmax

      Typical run & gun/chuck & duck/one & done ACN lame ass post. Please post some proof as to why ACN is so worldly….like an earnings statement from you or another ACN clown. Pretty please…..

    • Buddy

      Kaylee you are so full of shit! “Successful people at the top?” Ha! You mean the ones that created this scam? They are the only people who make any money running this scam. Lazy? Really? Kaylee even if you were the most energetic person on the planet you still couldn’t make this scam work. You would only succeed at losing your money, your dignity and your friends. Quit defying logic Kaylee and wake up. Quit this scam now before its too late!

  • Jo

    I’m hoping to get through to some of the ACN supporters on here – sometimes it helps to see a situation with a different set of eyes – so please don’t crucify me for
    relaying my own experience with ACN.

    One of my family members is a young, sweet guy who is just in his early twenties, and I guess that excuses some of his naivety. I’ve known him for his whole life, watched him grow up, play sports, goof around with friends, and get into mischief at school. He was a wonderful person with an extremely warm heart who cared deeply about his friends and family. I never thought that any of that would change.

    Enter ACN.

    A year or two ago he told me about this budding business opportunity – sort of. He told me he was getting his own business, and as he was barely 20 and this seemed incredibly ambitious for someone who has never had the slightest interest in business, the first question I asked was what it was. The answer I got was more than a little vague. Then I asked him where he got the money to fund his own business. I’ll just leave it at this: he “borrowed” it from one of my relatives. It has yet to be repaid.

    Then I got the dreaded sales pitch. I heard him out (although his vague and disjointed explanation left me thoroughly confused, and no, I’m not an idiot and yes, I’ve taken business classes.) I told him that I wished him luck, and to be careful because I’ve seen friends start businesses just like this one and they all ended up losing money. I also told him that I wasn’t comfortable doing business with family and asked him to leave it at that.

    For about 2 weeks after this, I was pressured via texts and emails, and requests to come over to my home to discuss the services I could have. I saved them, and they’re peppered with phrases like “the next promotion will grant me an extra few thousand a month” and “if you could switch your services you’d really help me
    out.” None of these statements were followed by a coherent, clear explanation
    of what ACN actually does.

    Wanting to be supportive I tried to hear him out. Suddenly phrases like “if I get this
    promotion I’ll be making $6000 a month” started to fly out of his mouth and I
    thought, if you’re really doing that well, why will obtaining my business make
    or break you? Making ~ $70, 000 a year give or take is pretty good for someone
    who has about as much business experience as a peanut.

    Still not receiving a clear answer about the services or what, exactly, ACN would do for me, I was forced to put my foot down (hard) and tell him to leave me out of his business ventures. This was really difficult. I wished him luck and figured (hoped) that would be the last of it.

    Not so. Months later, my relative was still in the hole for that loaned money (and all the training sessions and outrageous trips across the continent for “conferences”
    that he also footed the bill for, and I have been told that he is also footing other bills as well.) In addition to this, a falling out took place between the family members who did sign up for services and the family members who did not,
    causing major unnecessary drama in a previously peaceful family.

    At this point, I’d had it.

    I called him up and told him that while I cared about him and believed in his abilities, I could not go another minute without telling him what a mistake I felt this was and how much it had negatively changed him. I told him that if he had an interest in business he could go to school, we’d help support him through it, and he’d do it properly. This way he could still do ACN on the side, but not to bank on
    it as a solution for all his financial woes.

    I got a string of lies (such as how much he was making now and that he’d cleared all his debts, and these were only the lies that I had concrete proof of) and that he was going to continue with ACN, no matter what the family feels. Essentially his
    priorities were ACN first, everything else last.

    This was a guy who would never have hurt a fly, who would never lie, who would never try to steal from anyone. I think – no, actually I’m fairly certain – that he genuinely believes that he’s doing something good, that he’s actually a business professional, that he’s a contributing member of society. I miss the guy who wanted to get into medicine, the guy who could have become a doctor if he’d applied himself, the guy with the warm and endlessly loving heart. Now, ACN has turned him into a cold, profit seeking zombie. His idea of success a flashy car and Italian
    loafers. He will lose everyone who’s ever cared about him. We don’t speak anymore.

    ACN did this.

    Every ACN rep I’ve seen on here has called any ACN non-believers lazy, stupid, or
    unmotivated. Sheep. Clones. Broke. You’re also very violent when you are making
    these vicious statements. It’s a serious mistake to judge people in this way
    and I have to wonder – is that what they teach you in your training sessions?
    That you’re all kings and queens and the rest of the world is just a big
    steaming pile of scum and money that you can take from them? Don’t be so
    judgmental and just listen to what ACN can do to a family. Is owning a fancy
    car more important than family? Do you REALLY think you’re better than
    everyone? If so, you’re really going to miss out on some amazing experiences in
    life, and I feel sorry for you.

    ACN reps are often (not ALWAYS mind you) uneducated people pretending to be educated business professionals – sort of like playing house in the business world. It cheapens everything that a real business professional may have spent on his or her education, and devalues the years of hard work that go into a business degree. Do you really think you can just skip the education and reap the benefits? If something seems too good to be true, it usually is. Even if you make the money,
    it’s probably not worth what you will lose.

    Why is it that every ACN rep I’ve come across has yet to be able to clearly say, “I make ‘such-and-such’ a month and ‘this’ is exactly how I did it, working ‘this’ many hours a week?” Or, “if you have a plan with AT&T and the package that you have is around $40 plan, we can save you around ‘such-and-such’ a month?” Or better yet, “let me explain exactly how we save you this money: ?”

    In my situation with my family member, I asked several times how exactly he would be able to save me money, and every time he said something about a retention rate and how the reason they are able save you money is because they sell to family members, followed by something about retention rates again… What? When I didn’t get an answer through him (at least not a direct, clear answer) I did some
    research myself and had a look at their site.

    They try to grab you right away with big bright letters, “$200 back when you sign up through ACN!” Ooooh! In actual fact, that amount is “up to” $200, and is to cover any early termination fees only. That’s also only applicable if you also get internet. Direct from ACN: “ACN will credit you up to $200 for any Early Termination Fees you incur from your current Internet and local service provider when you order ACN Digital Phone Service with High Speed Internet. All you have to do is provide a copy of your invoices to ACN showing the Early Termination Fees. It’s that easy!”

    So basically it seems as though you have to upgrade your services, which in my case would lead to me paying more in the long run, and after they so graciously
    cover your cancellation fees… you get bupkis.

    When I say bupkis, I really, really mean it. My elderly relative, the same one who
    loaned our ACN rep the money to get started and signed up for all the services,
    including the lame-ass video phone (which never, ever gets used) has been left
    without phone or internet service for no apparent reason for about a month at a
    time, and this has happened at least three times already. That means that if he
    hurts himself or feels unwell and needs to call 911 he CAN’T. He’s in his 90s.
    That is scary.

    Before anyone starts shooting their mouths off about how I must be broke or stupid or lazy or a failure, I want you to know that I don’t care one drop about your
    opinion, mostly because you’re completely wrong. I am doing just fine and living
    comfortably with a fantastic income, and I know that I didn’t have to con
    anyone out of money in order to get here. I worked hard and got an education in
    order to get here. THAT is something to be proud of.

    • Jo

      Sorry – some of that copied strangely from word. I fixed it.

      I’m hoping to get through to some of the ACN supporters on here – sometimes it helps to see a situation with a different set of eyes – so please don’t crucify me for
      relaying my own experience with ACN.

      One of my family members is a young, sweet guy who is just in his early twenties, and I guess that excuses some of his naivety. I’ve known him for his whole life, watched him grow up, play sports, goof around with friends, and get into mischief at school. He was a wonderful person with an extremely warm heart who cared deeply about his friends and family. I never thought that any of that would change.

      Enter ACN.

      A year or two ago he told me about this budding business opportunity – sort of. He told me he was getting his own business, and as he was barely 20 and this seemed incredibly ambitious for someone who has never had the slightest interest in business, the first question I asked was what it was. The answer I got was more than a little vague. Then I asked him where he got the money to fund his own business. I’ll just leave it at this: he “borrowed” it from one of my relatives. It has yet to be repaid.

      Then I got the dreaded sales pitch. I heard him out (although his vague and disjointed explanation left me thoroughly confused, and no, I’m not an idiot and yes, I’ve taken business classes.) I told him that I wished him luck, and to be careful because I’ve seen friends start businesses just like this one and they all ended up losing money. I also told him that I wasn’t comfortable doing business with family and asked him to leave it at that.

      For about 2 weeks after this, I was pressured via texts and emails, and requests to come over to my home to discuss the services I could have. I saved them, and they’re peppered with phrases like “the next promotion will grant me an extra few thousand a month” and “if you could switch your services you’d really help me
      out.” None of these statements were followed by a coherent, clear explanation
      of what ACN actually does.

      Wanting to be supportive I tried to hear him out. Suddenly phrases like “if I get this
      promotion I’ll be making $6000 a month” started to fly out of his mouth and I
      thought, if you’re really doing that well, why will obtaining my business make
      or break you? Making ~ $70, 000 a year give or take is pretty good for someone
      who has about as much business experience as a peanut.

      Still not receiving a clear answer about the services or what, exactly, ACN would do for me, I was forced to put my foot down (hard) and tell him to leave me out of his business ventures. This was really difficult. I wished him luck and figured (hoped) that would be the last of it.

      Not so. Months later, my relative was still in the hole for that loaned money (and all the training sessions and outrageous trips across the continent for “conferences”
      that he also footed the bill for, and I have been told that he is also footing other bills as well.) In addition to this, a falling out took place between the family members who did sign up for services and the family members who did not,
      causing major unnecessary drama in a previously peaceful family.

      At this point, I’d had it.

      I called him up and told him that while I cared about him and believed in his abilities, I could not go another minute without telling him what a mistake I felt this was and how much it had negatively changed him. I told him that if he had an interest in business he could go to school, we’d help support him through it, and he’d do it properly. This way he could still do ACN on the side, but not to bank on
      it as a solution for all his financial woes.

      I got a string of lies (such as how much he was making now and that he’d cleared all his debts, and these were only the lies that I had concrete proof of) and that he was going to continue with ACN, no matter what the family feels. Essentially his
      priorities were ACN first, everything else last.

      This was a guy who would never have hurt a fly, who would never lie, who would never try to steal from anyone. I think – no, actually I’m fairly certain – that he genuinely believes that he’s doing something good, that he’s actually a business professional, that he’s a contributing member of society. I miss the guy who wanted to get into medicine, the guy who could have become a doctor if he’d applied himself, the guy with the warm and endlessly loving heart. Now, ACN has turned him into a cold, profit seeking zombie. His idea of success a flashy car and Italian
      loafers. He will lose everyone who’s ever cared about him. We don’t speak anymore.

      ACN did this.

      Every ACN rep I’ve seen on here has called any ACN non-believers lazy, stupid, or
      unmotivated. Sheep. Clones. Broke. You’re also very violent when you are making
      these vicious statements. It’s a serious mistake to judge people in this way
      and I have to wonder – is that what they teach you in your training sessions?
      That you’re all kings and queens and the rest of the world is just a big
      steaming pile of scum and money that you can take from them? Don’t be so
      judgmental and just listen to what ACN can do to a family. Is owning a fancy
      car more important than family? Do you REALLY think you’re better than
      everyone? If so, you’re really going to miss out on some amazing experiences in
      life, and I feel sorry for you.

      ACN reps are often (not ALWAYS mind you) uneducated people pretending to be educated business professionals – sort of like playing house in the business world. It cheapens everything that a real business professional may have spent on his or her education, and devalues the years of hard work that go into a business degree. Do you really think you can just skip the education and reap the benefits? If something seems too good to be true, it usually is. Even if you make the money,
      it’s probably not worth what you will lose.

      Why is it that every ACN rep I’ve come across has yet to be able to clearly say, “I make ‘such-and-such’ a month and ‘this’ is exactly how I did it, working ‘this’ many hours a week?” Or, “if you have a plan with AT&T and the package that you have is around $40 plan, we can save you around ‘such-and-such’ a month?” Or better yet, “let me explain exactly how we save you this money: ?”

      In my situation with my family member, I asked several times how exactly he would be able to save me money, and every time he said something about a retention rate and how the reason they are able save you money is because they sell to family members, followed by something about retention rates again… What? When I didn’t get an answer through him (at least not a direct, clear answer) I did some
      research myself and had a look at their site.

      They try to grab you right away with big bright letters, “$200 back when you sign up through ACN!” Ooooh! In actual fact, that amount is “up to” $200, and is to cover any early termination fees only. That’s also only applicable if you also get internet. Direct from ACN: “ACN will credit you up to $200 for any Early Termination Fees you incur from your current Internet and local service provider when you order ACN Digital Phone Service with High Speed Internet. All you have to do is provide a copy of your invoices to ACN showing the Early Termination Fees. It’s that easy!”

      So basically it seems as though you have to upgrade your services, which in my case would lead to me paying more in the long run, and after they so graciously
      cover your cancellation fees… you get bupkis.

      When I say bupkis, I really, really mean it. My elderly relative, the same one who
      loaned our ACN rep the money to get started and signed up for all the services,
      including the lame-ass video phone (which never, ever gets used) has been left
      without phone or internet service for no apparent reason for about a month at a
      time, and this has happened at least three times already. That means that if he
      hurts himself or feels unwell and needs to call 911 he CAN’T. He’s in his 90s.
      That is scary.

      Before anyone starts shooting their mouths off about how I must be broke or stupid or lazy or a failure, I want you to know that I don’t care one drop about your
      opinion, mostly because you’re completely wrong. I am doing just fine and living
      comfortably with a fantastic income, and I know that I didn’t have to con
      anyone out of money in order to get here. I worked hard and got an education in
      order to get here. THAT is something to be proud of.

      • Jo

        It did it again – it’s stupid that you can’t delete on this site.

    • truth speaker

      Well said Jo!!! I don’t know how long you have been following this site, but I have personally been posting for over a year. I was tricked into going to one of ACN’s phoney presentations by a very dear friend. They had completely brainwashed him into believing ACN was the next big thing in the technlology business. What a joke!!! If you read enough posts on here you will clearly see a common trend. An ACN supporter is all amped up after attending their first presentation. They have been completely duped by the ACN liars and con artists and truly believe they have stumbled onto something good. What they don’t realize is that they have been targeted as what carnival people, or carnies, call a ‘mark’. The origin of that term is when a rich or wealthy family would attend a carnival or a county fair the person at the admission entrance would have white chalk on his or her hand and they would pretend to pat the father of the family on the back leaving a white chalk ‘mark’ on his back. This made it easy for all the con artists, with their rigged games, to spot the people with money. Sorry back to ACN. Once the new recruit finds this site after attending the big rah rah meeting they immediately lash out at anyone not on board with this incredible opportunity. They say the exact same things you mentioned. Lazy, 9 to 5 losers making their boss a rich man. They throw around all the dated catch phrases ACN teaches them like ‘think outside of the box’ or ‘focus on your goal and excel and prosper’. It’s all perfectly scripted and they initially believe all the lies. Then the reality hits them square in the face. They start the long and hard recruiting process. Now be aware their upline has coached them that you have to be persistent and you have to act quickly so the ‘mark’ doesn’t find a site like this because if they do they have lost all chances of getting your $495. Some of them perservere, but ultimately they just go away because they realize they have been tricked and lied to. Have you shared this site with your relative? Maybe if you do he will see the level headed posts on here from the so called ‘non-believers’ and in turn he will see the hate filled lashing out from the uneducated clones who think they are the next ACN millionaires. I’m glad to hear you finally put your foot down. It’s sad that ACN can destroy an entire family over a measley couple hundred dollars. Please encourage him to go to school and do something productive with his life.

      • Jo

        I definitely have tried to convince him to go to school – he’s a smart guy, and I wish he would – but he just won’t have it. I have only just discovered this site but I’ve also read enough of the posts to realize that I’m not alone in my feelings about this company. It actually came as quite a relief, so thank you to all the people who have shared their experiences. It’s made me realize that I’m not crazy and that this company really is as wrong as I think it is.

        I would love to show him this site, however I’m afraid he’s lost to them. I think he would adopt the same defensive attitude as the rest, although he would never say half of the hurtful things that some of these people have said. He’s changed a lot, but I don’t think he’s capable of that just yet.

        I really hope that these poor people who have been sucked in and brainwashed can escape unscathed – it really does seem to be a cult. In fact, if you look at the definition:

        Cult:

        1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies. — ACN follows a very particular formula. Every promotion is awarded with a ceremony. That’s pretty much unheard of in most careers.

        2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult. — Money & Power are revered at ACN.

        3. the object of such devotion. — If I see one more person mention “The Great Donald Trump,” I may vomit.

        The more I look into this, the more concerned I become.

    • Buddy

      Nice post Jo! I suppose that RickJP, Lapadite, Tom Mack, D66, Kaylee and other ACN supporters will attack you on this site and call you a liar or discredit your account of what has happened to you and your family. A wise man once said;

      THERE ARE THREE CLASSES OF PEOPLE;

      Those who see;

      Those who see when they are shown;

      Those who do not see.

      -Leonardo Da Vince

      Chew on that all you ACN plants.

    • hi hello

      Great post, Thanks for sharing it. Hopefully we can save a few people from joining the cult following.

  • meat and potatoes

    If you think this company is a scam then you are a full fledged retard. I just found out about this company today. It took me a minute or less to understand what type of products/services they sell. Perhaps you’re just stuck in the stone ages of business models and in complete denial of the legitimacy of multi level marketing. If you’ve bought on to the fact that the majority of people don’t make big money then welcome to business 101. The majority of business’ fail. In acn’s case why do people fail? Figure it out. Whoever does the most, wins. Of course in your little mind I’m sure that you think those who do much less should get the same payout. You sir, or mama, make this world a more ignorant place. Go fall into a pile of steaming dog shit you idiot.

    • truth speaker

      Meat and Potatoes you must be really, really, smart. Like brain surgeon or NASA engineer smart if it only took you less than a minute to figure out what type of business ACN is. Wow!!! I’m really impressed with your huge brain and your grasp of business models. And your vicious attack of anyone who is not on board with this incredible opportunity, I mean scam, makes you look even more credible and intelligent. Go fall into a steaming pile of dog shit??? Really? I hope you have already paid your $495 to join ACN. Now you can patiently wait for those residual checks that just never come. You sir are the idiot. Please keep posting so you can continue to startle, I mean amuse, us with your deep thinking. My dog has a better chance of succeeding with ACN than you do. Now go down in the basement of your parents house and bow to the poster of Donald Trump your upline gave you. Then tie a rope around your neck and hang yourself from it and rid the world of another ACN con artist.

    • Onebdmax

      Yo turkey, er I mean meat and potatoes. So it took you a minute or less to understand what type of products/services they sell? So talented you are. Well, it took me a minute or less to figure out ACN IS a scam while at a rah rah and “I owe it all to ACN” meeting(skit). I’m sure it will take your little pee brain a few days to figure out that it is a evil scam.
      But in the mean time, please don’t be a typical one and done drive by ACN supporter on this site. Post some credible stats as to why ACN is so legit.

      WE’RE WAITING…………….

    • Jo

      Ah, petty name calling and general neanderthalism. Thank you for single-handedly proving my point.

    • Buddy

      What a pile of dog shit you are meat and potatoes. However please keep posting! ACN plants/clones like you are indeed proving that ACN is not a real company at all! On top of that it proves also that you have no wisdom, common sense nor humility. All of you lying, evil and brainwashed bastards are only out for the next $499. PERIOD. I agree with truth speaker wholeheartedly. Go bow to the poster of Donald Trump in your parents basement and then hang yourself.

    • truth speaker

      meat and potatoes where are you???? Are you not going to defend your beloved scam or are you just going to hide in cyberspace darkness like the rest of the lying, cheating, ACN clone/losers who post on here? Maybe meat and potatoes started his first forray into the recruiting process and has already realized he has been duped. Poor pathetic ACN clones think they are going to be instant millionaire’s and then reality smacks them in the face. Chalk it up as a valuable life lesson loser.

    • Scam_Buster

      so in one day, you researched this enough to call people full fledged retards??
      and in 1 minute you understood, congratulations you are a pseudo intellect
      amazing and intellingent, the total package
      but a dumb ass non the less
      how much money have you made
      how much will you make
      will you promise to come back in 6 months and give us a honest report
      ANY one that looks just beneath the surface can see what this is,
      a SCAM designed to rob people looking to better their life
      willing to work hard and trusting in their friends
      The SCAM ruins relationships and families
      congratulation to ACN for finding another sucker in you
      its been 8 days since your post do you feel like a moron yet or does that take a month or 2 to set in, given your supoer powers to determine this worthwhile endevour in 1 minute, Im just wondering at what speed you realize you are a total fool

  • DON’T BECOME AN ACN SUCKER

    The one thing I have noticed looking into ACN, you either find the shills plugging ACN as not a scam or you read the stories of those who have been burned and say ACN is a scam. The shills are easy to spot because they repeat the same boiler room script crap. You very rarely find someone saying, “I made a few hundred dollars a month to supplement my income while I worked my normal job”. A close friend of mine got sucked into ACN and he is completely brainwashed. I swear, he is like a mooney or a member of the Jim Jones cult. He does nothing but make excuses for ACN. I have spent hours doing my research and talking to him. He has spent thousands of dollars on ACN and has made $10. I told him I am going to get this ACN poison out of him and he cried on the phone from the hardship and failure he fells from being with ACN. I am not going to give up on him. He is my friend from kindergarten. I have known him for over 40 years. Even though he tried to get me to go to one of the ACN $499 meetings using deception and evasion to my questions, I am not giving up on him. I hate ACN for what it has done to my friend.

    • Onebdmax

      Spot on….just spot on there my friend!

    • Buddy

      I really enjoyed this post. This just shows how ACN does actually ruin friendships! Yes it is indeed true! DBAAS you will probably have to take this guy to an exorcist to get the ACN demon out of him. This evil scam has ruined 3 of my friendships already and its tearing apart other friendships as well that I know of. Do the simple math people! LOOK AT THE RENEWAL FEES EVERY YEAR!!! ($150 PER) LOOK AT THE MONTHLY FEES! WEEKLY MEETING FEES! COST OF CONVENTION FEES!

      No matter how you look at it this will destroy your life…. and fast! Don’t do it people. JUST DONT DO IT!

      • truth speaker

        Nice post buddy!!! Fees, fees, and more fees. That’s what ACN is folks. They are not satisfied with the initial $495. They are greeding, money worshipping, con-artists who want more. They just can’t keep their hands out of your pockets. Run as far away as you can from this evil scam people.

    • hi hello

      I hope you can save your friend. I am hoping to save my friend as well but the problem for me is, that he just got into it i.e paid into it and is out 700ish dollars at a minimum, so.. of course he will get defensive at this moment because no one wants to admit that they just gave money to a scam cult like ACN.. my plan is to wait a few months… and hopefully the next time we talk he got himself out or realized that it was a scam and we can be friends again without him only worrying about trying to get me to sign up and/or switch services

  • Buddy

    testing

  • Lexi

    It’s not even just the sign up fee, but so many of these “ACN Independent Business Owners” (read: sheep) also fly to San Jose for “training workshops” all the time, costing thousands of dollars that benefit NOBODY except maybe the airlines they fly with. It’s a sad story. My roommate is unbelievably caught up in this garbage and got defensive and angry with me when I told her I didn’t want to do it with her.

    • Buddy

      Lexi anyone that denies the fact that you will lose your friends while running this evil scam is a liar. Do your roommate a favor and direct her to this site. And good for you for defending yourself and making the right decision to not do ACN with her. It is a hard thing to have to do with friends and family (warm market) when they seem as if they are all high on some kind of ACN crack.

    • Jo

      I’ve experienced the backlash too. It’s perfectly reasonable to question the workings of any “business opportunity,” even if it’s being pitched to you by a family member. But as soon as you ask the tough questions, they get defensive. Probably because they don’t know the answer.

  • C.W.

    I was recently introduced to ACN. What a terribly embarrassing, cringe-worthy experience. An old colleague invited me to meet with him, yet refused to tell me much about it. I knew the company was ACN and had seen it on the Apprentice, but didn’t know much about it, except that they sold stupid video phones that were basically obsolete and overpriced.

    Anyway, he wanted to meet and I agreed. I didn’t realize he’d be bringing a little entourage of his “team” and I didn’t realize the whole thing would be focused on signing me up that night. I watch a stupid motivational video on one guy’s phone that sounds and looks like it should be featured in a course for “Detecting Scams 101″! What a joke. They all sat watching me like ravenous wolves, nodding their heads at “appropriate” times and making little comments designed to clearly make me just throw money at them. Super.

    Well, when I was trying to ask questions and get to the bottom of how you actually make money and save clients money, I really got the impression they just didn’t know. I don’t want to hear about points and Team Trainers and qualifying and bonuses and shit, I just want to know how to save and make some f***ing money! To me, when they get all pissy that I’m directly asking “how much would I save switching to ACN for phone services?” and say I’m getting too detailed, then I know there’s a problem.

    Anyway, I said no. I’m not interested in this mess. Just trying to explain the compensation took an hour and seemed only marginally less complicated than engineering a NASA launch.

    Best part of the night. He was explaining how to make some big bonus amount and I looked him dead in the eye and asked if he’d done it. Obviously he had to save face to his team, so he threw up his hands and said “whoa, hey, I’m still new at this” (a few months in? really?).. seeing the look on my face, he quickly added, “but I’m on track to!”

    I rest my case.

    • Onebdmax

      Great stuff there C.W. I wish I had a video cam during the rah rah meeting I went to so I could label it as “Detecting Scams 101″! HA! What a bunch of phony POS’s these ACN folks are.

      • C.W.

        Now now.. you clearly didn’t “see the opportunity” or you would have responded like a good like ACN minion.. turn around, drop your pants, bend over and pull your wallet out for them to have their way with you ;)

    • Buddy

      Its interesting how douchebag ACN plants/clones like RickJP come on here and try to punch holes in these posts. ACN will keep doing anything and everything they can to stop people from posting here including having RickJP (paid ACN plant) insult anyone who posts here. This asshole speaks in some sort of weird Spanish/Jewish/Yiddish language that can not really be spoken it can only be evoked. Well what do you say about this post RickJP? Are you still pretending to have a step-son who is involved in ACN? That is just a lie we all know it. The fact that RickJP emanates evil is just more proof that ACN is a scam and nothing more. What sort of real company has reps that talk like this? Looks like you failed miserably RickJP.

      • C.W.

        lol Buddy.. you think they PAY RickJP and his pathetic co-minions? Hell no. Those peons troll these sites for free.. just like all the hawking of ACN products they do for FREEEE. They company knows that NOT ONLY do they not have to pay these people, they can CHARGE them for the privilege of being able to sell the products/services! Wow!

        If even ONE of those assclowns was making income above.. oh… I don’t know.. minimum wage?!… I believe they would post the proof. Fact is, they can’t. Because they know (or maybe are deeply in denial and DON’T yet realize) that they’re barely scraping by at poverty level earnings.

        Great. Some “business opportunity” huh.. the greased-up used-car salesman eagerly drooling over MY wallet kept telling me that “the tax write-offs alone would make you money!” What a jackass. Fact is, you can’t write off income you’re not making. If you can write something off, it means it fucking COST you money. Yes, you can get away with the odd extra write-off here and there, but the majority of the time, it means it was expenditure that YOU put out of your pocket. That’s like using a coupon to go to an overpriced restaurant and saying “well, at least I saved money!” Really?? Pull out your wallet and count again.

        Oh I’ll keep posting.. I’m here to make sure the truth gets out about these companies.

        • Buddy

          I love it! Good comments CW. Whether or not he is being paid I guess is irrelevant. When I lost 3 friends to this evil scam I found this site and read for 3 hours or more and this RickJP asshole probably commented a couple hundred times, vomiting his evil, cult-like shit for so long on here that I was convinced he was either being paid or was one of the creators of this company. I do not believe he was doing it for fun but maybe! At any rate he failed miserably. No matter what the posts just keep coming in! Im glad that you are going to keep posting. I have also posted all over Facebook for people to beware of this evil scam.

          • C.W.

            Thanks again Buddy.. sorry to hear about your friends :( I really really hope they’ll come here and see the light sooner rather than later.

            The worst thing, the biggest shame, would be for them to realize years down the road, when their peak potential career years are behind them, that the foundation they built their “business” on was just sand.

            Tapped of friends, money, AND potential? Perhaps a fate worse than death..

    • Buddy

      Nice post by the way CW. The fact that ACN is trying like hell to stop us from posting is a real compliment. This site I firmly believe is the number one tool for ridding the world of ACN for good! Keep posting!!!

      • C.W.

        Thanks :) What angers me is that they take the two most precious things you have and convince and manipulate you into squandering them. No, not even your money.. I’m talking about your time and your potential. Someone who’s 55 years old and unemployed and broke does NOT have 10 years to toil away building a business that will ultimately leave them high and dry. THAT is a sin and shame and should be a crime.

        A 30-yr-old single mother of young kids does NOT need to miss out on the most precious years she’ll have with her kids to be out there flogging these bullshit services on top of being at her job that actually keeps her family afloat.

        Anyway, what I’m getting at is.. let’s stop these people. I don’t care if these parasitic leeches ruin their OWN lives, but the next victim they screw over in vital things like phone and electric could be MY friends and family, and THAT I simply won’t stand for.

    • hi hello

      My first impression to my friend was.. that it sounds to me THEY should be paying YOU to sign up and sell their services and products, and it also sounds like you need tons of referrals just to make a few dollars and once your family an friends want nothing to do with the scam and you run out of “warm” relations that it will ber very difficult to generate any substantial income. I DID NOT know that he had already signed up and paid into the scam.. So.. of course he was pissed off at my honest opinin of the scam. And this opinion of mine was before I took 5minutes to goodle ACN SCAM. AFTER I googled.. WOW.. just WOW. I had NO idea how bad it really was/is . Thanks to this website and a few others for sharing true stories and experiences with ACN and their cult followers. Keep posting, And the next time your “friend” Asks you for a “favor” to get you to sign up for ACN.. tell them that the biggest favor you can give them is to NOT sign up, and not encourage them to sign up anyone you know. Yeah.. my friend actually wanted me to refer MY own family and friends to HIM too !!. Imagine that. hahahahah. It is funny and sad at the same time. I just ignored that stupdu request with no answer. The friendship might not make it through this ACN bullshit. I hope it does. But he is super pissed off at me at the moment , just for giving him my honest opinion on”his” new business…. uhggg. Makes me sick thinking about it.

  • C.W.

    And here’s my big issue. When I tried to ask some specific questions (i.e. “How do I save money with this? Who will my new phone service provider really be?”) they tried to deflect the question and guilt me. Saying “you’re focusing on the small details too much” and “you need to think like a businessperson, not a salesman” make me LOL more than SIGN but, whatever.

    What really chaps my ass about this is that I really just get the impression that they don’t know. You’re trying to get me to sell this stuff to my family and YOU DON’T FUCKING KNOW how it works?!? How dangerous. How stupid. If and when a client (family member’s) electric costs go up and up and they’re unable to pay them and they need to switch to another provider and they incur huge costs to switch back… then what? What do you mean, it won’t happen?!? How can you possibly know that, if you’ve never read through a contract because that’s “too technical” for you??

    Frustrating to the highest degree. And all that “points” and “qualifying” and who knows what? I guess I’m thankful for my “employee mindset” because it allows me to be okay with going to my “lousy J-O-B” that at least pays me a guaranteed amount. Could I lose my job? Yup. Could ACN cancel your IBO contract tomorrow with no explanation and leave you high and dry? Yup!

    You own nothing. You are merely renting the right to sell someone’s products and services. ACN has no loyalty to you. The mere fact that they want you to be out there recruiting your competition means that they KNOW that you can’t make the money selling. There’s the only red flag you need!

  • C.W.

    p.s. So Donald Trump endorses it. Big F***ing Deal. He’s not exactly anyone’s moral compass now is he? He’s made it plenty clear that anywhere he can make money, he will. He’s trying to sell, among the obvious things like real estate and his brand clothing: books, bottled water, board games, public speaking, etc, etc. So, anywhere he can get money, he will.

    If ACN is soooo great, why isn’t every Trump building outfitted with its products and services?? Huh? Don’t you think The Donald would like to make money “every time someone hits a light switch”?!?

    So.. basically.. it’s good enough to be paid to endorse it, but not good enough to touch with a ten-foot-pole. Gotcha ;)

    • C.W.

      And I say this as a huge fan of DT!! He’s amazingly successful. Just not my moral mentor, lol. And know what? He’s okay with that. He makes money, that’s his thing. Even HE admits that.. it’s just the peons at ACN that don’t understand why he actually endorses them.. *humming theme song of The Apprentice* ;)

  • Shawn Lawrence

    lol you people are ignorant… how many people do you think try, and fail at becoming professional athletes? There’s obviously a promise of substantial income there, however, why do so many fail? Because they don’t understand what it takes to be successful. Bottom line is most people will never do what it takes to be successful in anything because the pain of their dissatisfaction doesn’t out weigh the pain of discipline… its easier to give up and go back to settling for less than you know you were born to achieve. Grow up, stop complaining and making excuses for why you are where you are, and make a difference in you and your families lives.

    • Onebdmax

      Nice babbling rant there Shawn. Those look like ACN scripted pearly words of “non” wisdom to me. Now go back to pestering your warm market for their hard earned $499…..

    • truth speaker

      This may be the dumbest post ever on here. Do you really believe more people don’t make it as professional athletes because they don’t work at it hard enough??? You may be retarded. They don’t make it because they are not good enough athletes. Only 5% of high school seniors who play football make it to the collegiate level. And we are talking division 1, 2, and 3. Hell, almost anyone who started on their high school football team can play division 3 so that skews the number right out of the gate. Out of that 5% less than 2% of college seniors get drafted by the NFL. And almost none of them come from division 2 or 3. You are just another lying, deceiving, ACN clone who has learned to regurgitate the scripted bullshit they teach you at the rah rah meetings. Now get off the internet and take out the trash for your mom and dad.

    • Jo

      It amazes me that you can’t see how undeniably brainwashed you are. Every single ACN supporter on here has uttered the words “fail” and “success” as often as they make grammatical errors (which is a lot, by the way) and it really seems as though none of you know what those words actually mean. Do you have a fancy car? A big house? Several expensive suits? Good for you. That does not make you a success.

      The “failures” who consistently “fail” at ACN (usually because we’re not stupid enough to get involved in a pyramid scheme in the first place, which becomes so very apparent the moment we showed up at a “training” session) can be immensely successful in life without selling out their families to make a buck. I’d sooner befriend the MacDonald’s manager who somehow manages to feed his family, maintain his friendships, and live an honest and generous life than give the time of day to anyone in ACN, and the reason is that the MacDonald’s manager is richer than you could ever possibly understand.

      Please stop insinuating that by signing your friends and family members up (you even con your family! How could you?!) that you are helping them or anyone else. You know damn well that the service for ACN is complete garbage and a sham, and you know damn well that what you’re doing is for YOU.

      I know these words are falling on deaf ears, though. My initial post was an attempt to get through to some of the clones out there, hoping that I might be able to reach what’s left of their humanity. I can see now that I overestimated you all.

      So go on, continue with your Success Town while the rest of us hang out here in Failsville, where the people are warmer and honest and never ask us for a dime. We’re better off without you.

      • truth speaker

        Trust me Jo none of these ACN clones have any of the things you have listed. They are all miserable failures who cling to this false dream that they are independent busines owners. The guys at the top of the pyramid, who are somewhat successful, lease their fancy cars, rotate between 2 expensive suits, and probably live in shitty apartments. I know a guy who is in another similar pyramid scheme called Ignite Energy. A year ago he claimed he would be retired in 5 years. A couple of weeks ago I heard him and his upline arguing about who had enough money to pay for a $12 bar tab. So sad.

    • hi hello

      Hold on. So the reason in your brainwashed mind thinks people “fail” to become professional athletes is because “they don’t understand what it takes to be successful” ?????? I just feel sorry for you because you are brainwashed and dont even know it. The same exact people that are telling you that ACN is great and ACN is your savior to riches and “success” are the same people that will call you a “failure” when you are not able to actually make any substantial living out of ACN. Seems like great peple to me. I am curious how many cult followers ACN would have if they actually showed financials about the company? If they told you that only 0.5% of people are able to make 50k/year doing this. And only 0.1% are able to make 100k/year doing this. Instead of selling the VERY few successes of the people from the top of the pyramid. What if they told you straight up that 99% of ACN reps drop out ? Do you like those odds?

  • WKM

    Its a SCAM PEOPLE! This people at ACN are no better than Worldcom. They will take your money and run with it. I signed up on August 30th thinking this would go hand in hand with my current business. I have worked my butt off selling this companies services and I will explain several things that you should watch for.

    Okay, upon signing up the REP that I signed up under just had to get me on the phone with the “rich” guys in the company from North Carolina. They all shot me the bs about how they only had 18 person points but were getting paid on over 1,000 points because they had built a good team. Next you will be instructed to watch a webinar about the compensation in which looks totally awesome as you will be seeing the six digit income potential numbers.

    Next you get signed up like I did and you are pushed to get (7) Points to qualify. Just to show you how stupid these guys are they even tried to sign me up for services that I didn’t even need. Like one rep suggested I sign up for ACN home phone and just forward the services to my cell phone. Okay now that is stupid.

    Once you hit your (7) Points you are congratulated for becoming a QUALIFIED TEAM TRAINER. DID YOU KNOW! You didn’t accomplish anything besides giving that REP above you a small bonus.

    Now I have 22 points and 11 services with only 25 CENTS in compensation with even two reps in my downline.

    RUN PEOPLE THIS IS A SCAM IF THERE EVER WAS ONE!!

    • truth speaker

      Good post WKM. Does that 25 cent commission check come once a week or once a month? Even if it comes once a week it will take approximately 1,980 weeks or 15 and a half years to pay back your initial investment. If you add up the weekly rah rah meeting costs, the web portal fee, the educational material costs, the big national convention expenses, and the annual renewal fee it would take a hell of a long time and a whole bunch of customers, I mean suckers, to become profitable at this shit show. Screw you ACN!!!

    • hi hello

      Thanks for the post WKM ! It is very important imo to get the most up to date and accurate info from new/former members who were able to escape the cult .

    • iScamScammers

      Yeah seriously, and people still don’t notice it is a scam! No proof of all these great profit numbers for anyone at the bottom of the totem pole. All they do is stay trying to recruit people and get suckered into these contracts and see nothing but peanuts from it all.

      All the cost and such they put into it they disregard that because they were promised if they keep investing they will make a large sum of money easily. It is so laughable but also sad for the other suckers who come along and join in. It is scary how cult like it is.

  • Onebdmax

    Happy new year to all of you! And to all of you ACN IBO’s…may your bank accounts be filled with a few 25 cent commission checks!! Bwahahahaha…..

  • Onebdmax

    This is what my ACN IBO friend posted on FB this am. JEEZ!!

    “Tired of living pay check to pay check? Did the latest 2% payroll tax catch you off guard and now you have to cut your budget again? Would you like to break away from corporate America and secure your family’s financial future? Contact me and let us show you how. This could be 30 minutes that changes your family’s life!”

    • truth speaker

      That is hilarious. It should read, ‘The 2% tax hike sure caught me off guard so I would like all of my FB friends to donate $495 to me because I am a broke loser. You can, in turn, rip off all of your FB friends for $495 so I can get a small piece of that action as well.’

      • Onebdmax

        Yep, that’s about right! I’m shocked that he has been at it for over a year now.

        So far his post has 5 likes. And 2 responses.

        1. Oh yea….

        2. Want to talk to you……reading the magazine you gave me….will call soon!!

        Don’t do it!!!!!!!

    • buddy

      testing

    • buddy

      Wow what a loser! It is sad that your friend actually believes this bullshit. “Break away from corporate America and secure your families future?” I think your friend is fresh home from an ACN convention and his mind is still reeling from it. ACN IS A SCAM PEOPLE!!! RUN FROM IT AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!!

    • hi hello

      That is crazy.. I am just waiting for my friend who recently joined up and seems to be brainwashed at the moment to start posting about it on his FB page as well… I would be embarrased to try to peddle this ACN bullshit to my family and friends. But of course these are the easier targets because they are “warm relations” and ACN reps can guilt people into “helping” them and doing them a “favor” So sick of this cult scam bullshit.

      • truth speaker

        hi hello it is amazing how deeply the new recruits fall in the love with this incredible opportunity they have stumbled on. What they don’t realize is that they are targeted dupes of the evil ACN con artists. The saddest part is even when they wake up one morning and realize they have been tricked they are too ashamed to admit it. Or their upline has shamed them into thinking they are a failure. I know a guy who is involved in a similar scam, Ignite Energy, and he told me over a year ago he would be retired and wealthy in five years. I ran into him and his upline at a local bar a couple of weeks ago. This is the place they routinely conduct their recruiting sessions with anyone that will listen to their bullshit. They were arguing over a $15 bar tab. Neither one of them had the cash to pay it and the waitress told me later their credit cards were both rejected. Sounds to me like these two dopes are doing pretty well for themselves. Just show your buddy this website and hopefully he will wake the hell up.

        • hi hello

          Via txts he seemed to have fallen in love (brainwashed) with “his” new “business” and seemed to be so happy about it etc… And then come to find out it is this ACN bullshit. I was pretty dissapointed , and now I know he also tricked me into attended the stupid meeting as well. I thought it was going to be him and his partners and tell me about the business.. and it turned out to be 1 ACN guy trying to sell the company to ME… I just wanted to know wtf my friends business was.. uhgg.

    • iScamScammers

      Funny how it sounds like spam you get in your email, no one ever opens up spam, so why would you even think this is a real thing? Break away from corporate america and secure your family’s financial future? haha laughable at best. With what people make doing this and the success rate, which BTW they claim success is if you make anything so it does not have to be a ton of money, which is very deceiving.

      Please, nothing but lies and trying to get you to pony up that money. No one is sustaining their future with peanuts. Scratch that, you wont even make peanuts, you will be losing them. Take your chances with an actual job, trust me, its guaranteed cash, no sign up or hidden fees. I do it everyday.

  • IScamScammers

    Wow! After reading many of these posts, I decided it would be great to feel this feel good story involving these sneaky, dirty, filthy scams that go on. My story doesn’t begin with ACN, but it was my recent hit. Read on you will understand

    I think my first encounter ever with a “MLM” business was Herbalife. From there it was Yor Health then ACN. All the stories are the same in that they all are very secretive of what it actually is. The “Reps” or as I like to call them, brainwashed zombies, all pitch the same deal. You can make some good money doing little to no work, but you can become a top player if you work your butt off. Good pitch I say, automatically you think, “Well, I will take option B!” Its like they all were spawned from the same place. Now yes I do understand this is how an “MLM” structured like business works, but what they pitch you is honestly nonsense if you are anyone with common sense. MLM = Legal Pyramid Scheme.

    They pump these lies into your head, or with my case, attempt to do so, and will try and talk you into it with some positive reinforcements. I will start with my first encounter which is herbalife. I actually stumbled upon it on a craigslist posting looking for actual work. Now it said this, “Want to earn some money while helping other people do the same? Do you get satisfaction out of helping people live a healthy lifestyle? We are a new nutrition company looking for part time and full time employees.” Well I figured, hell its new, I need a job, perfect I will jump on it. Little did I know this was not no ordinary job, you had to but into this job.

    I figure you know what happens from there, typical feel good stories,
    “successful” people planted among your groups. Even the reps talking about how easy it is to make money and how it has really helped them and made them and others happy. There was actually a lady that said that she could help us “Materialize” the things we need with a little bit of training and hard work. But lets skip all the pleasantries and get down to what the juicy part of the story is.

    After doing tons of research on MLM and how only a very very low percentage of people actually make a dime off of it, it yelled scam in my head. I am a New Yorker so it yelled scam as soon as I seen the structure. Anyone from NY, you know what I mean. First off what I notice, it targets younger, more ambitious people. Usually college kids who like the idea of quick buck, very clever. But from Herbalife to ACN, all they basically pitch you is a get rich quick scheme camouflaged by some feel good stories and stories of extreme success. Slowly trying to sucker you into paying the fee they charge but never mention until its time for you to sign up. Being to all three of these “meetings” which consist basically of a small group of people in someones house, this always happen.

    So I decided after a bunch of research, if they think they can pull one over on me, I am going to pull a fast one on them instead and see how they like it. Sure it is on a small scale, but when I read stories of how people felt like they were scammed out of their money, it makes me feel good that I got one for the little people. Sure people who want to defend will say, “If you try hard, you will make some good money. You just have to embrace!” or some positive BS brainwashing stuff. I have seen many, countless people, keep going with this to only lose money. But since they invested so much money to get in on it, they feel entitled and are in denial to say they were suckered in by dreams of extreme success. Notice how this is targeting people who don’t have much money? How they go after people with stories of extreme success right off the bat?

    I decided I was going to play sucker for them and make them believe that I was going to join, I was all in, and ready to invest anything I could. So i flipped it. I played like I was all in and willing to roll with it. Throw around elaborate stories of how I know a bunch of people who would use these products. I kept calling them telling them how I want to start up and have a ton of people ready to start up under me, I was ecstatic like I just recruited the world! But I don’t have any cash to register. Would sob over it and what do you know, the thought of them racking in some quick cash with all the potential recruits I could bring in, they would gladly cover my registration fees, and in Herbalife and Yor Healths case, a good amount of product too. Herbalife rep gladly gave me $1000 worth of product to sell to these people who would be under me so they could sample it. Same with Yor Health. With ACN it was just a matter of getting that sucker to waste another $500 for trying to turn me into a monkey. BTW, no real information exchanged hands, only thing I used was the sites so these people who were my reps have no idea where I live or anything like that.

    Let me note, what made it funny is the people upline or whatever you call it, were the ones who were like, “Yeah help him out, he is what we need.” When they caught word of all the potential suckers who would be joining me. Boy a fake smile and enthusiasm gets you far in this world. Basically I decided that whenever I came into contact with shady business structures like these, I would get in only to milk them from what would’ve been a loss from me. It is a good attempt on their part, but no way I think they should be allowed to get away with it.

    If you read my story, it basically is how I went about it for all three of those companies so far. Hope this brightens up some people who have lost money in this situation knowing that not everyone is fooled and gets them once in a while. I am sure I am not the only one who thought of this. If I am, we should infiltrate and destroy them like that. haha :P

    DOWN WITH ACN AND ALL THESE OTHER MLM BUSINESS MODELS. THEY ARE CRIMINAL AND DONT DESERVE TO BE IN OPERATION AT ALL! NOTHING BUT SCAMMERS AND BRAINWASHERS!!!

  • truth speaker

    Has the ACN scam died my friends??? I have not seen any recent posts so it’s either falling apart or has died completely. I doubt that it has died completely because the evil ACN scam artists are way too deep into their deceit and lies. Let’s hear from some recent recruits and find out where this BS is still flourishing.

  • Buddy

    It is dead in the beautiful city where I live! I have never seen a more disgusting, evil scam in my whole life. A few of my friends have totally failed miserably at this scam yet they still wont talk to me because I wasn’t stupid enough to join them.

    F-you Rick JP and your retarded step-son, Donald Trump, Spencer Hunn, John Melton (for TS), Lapidite, Tom Mack and all ACN clones out there!

  • Buddy

    Not a peep?!! Come on clones defend yourselves!

  • Ainokea

    Wow! I came across this site & just wanted to let you all know this is some funny shit. I havent laughed this hard in a while. Its like korean soap operas in writing. Hey i will just add im not for ACN or against BUT my neighbor is in ACN & he did hook me up with DTV & i will admit he saved me some $. Im a football fanatic & wanted the NFL ticket. Well DTV wanted $320 for the package. My neighbor through his ACN site got it for me for free. Now i cannot tell u if ACN is a company that can make u money but they did save me $320. Im not gonna join ACN cause of it but i did hookup 3 of my friends at work with DTV. You guys can take this post how you choose. I dont know anything about video phones or ACN cell phones but i do onow because of some ACN site im watching all the NFL football games this year for FREE:)

    • Buddy

      I have a hard time believing your story because I never have heard of ACN saving anyone any money whatsoever! When I was lied to and tricked into showing up at a phony ACN presentation I spoke my mind very loudly and kept asking “Where are the savings?!!” Not one phony lying ACN rep could answer because the truth is that there are no savings. If there really was then ACN would be a real company and not a scam, which it is.

    • truth speaker

      Obvious ACN plant. ACN does not give anything away for free. They charge their own reps $10 to attend the weekly ‘millionaire’s club’ meetings. They charge for promotional material, they charge to attend the ‘big’ national conference where they all get up in front of the group and lie about how much money they are all making. What a load of shit. By the way my neighbor sell BMW’s for a living and he just pulled into my driveway and gave me a new X5. Thanks buddy!

  • Neanderthal

    Unless I missed it as I read your report, you fail to mention that there is a 100% 10-day money back guaranty. This may only be offered in the state in which I live. In the presentations we give in my ACN team, we ALWAYS make the following closing statement: “If you don’t think you’re serious about working the business, we urge you to 1) not sign up, or, 2) If you think you want to try it for 10-days, you may want to sign up and do just that. If in 10-days you don’t feel it’s for you, we’ll offer you a full refund and ask that you let us see if we can save you some money on your services…no hard feelings.” Why would we do this? It’s pretty simple, first off, according to Author, Pete Blackshaw, happy customers will tell 3 friends. Angry ones tell 3,000 people (by word-of-mouth). We don’t want any angry customers or Independent Business Owners. Secondly, as an ACN Independent Business Owner, who would you want to spend your valuable time training…someone who feels they’ve made a mistake or have been scammed (a pessimistic whiner)? Or someone who is positive, optimistic, and wants to make their business work? Also, I HAVE seen actual checks from my direct up-line (~$6,000-$8,000/mo, after 14 months in the business) and from his direct up-line (~$45,000-$62,800/mo, after 5 years in the business). I’ve also known each of these individuals for several years.

    • Buddy

      Neanderthal I think you did “miss it”. If you read for very long on this site you will, before very long, read the horror stories about the poor and very innocent victims of this evil scam and how hard of a time they have getting their money back. By the way I don’t believe a word you say about being honest with your potential recruits. If even one word you say is true then you would never have a downline… PEROID. And you claim to have seen paychecks in the 6000 to 62,800 range??? You are just another lying, brainwashed, cultlike ACN clone. Try again loser.

    • truth speaker

      I agree with Buddy. This post is total BS. I talked with an ex-ACN loser a couple weeks ago and he is now involved with Ignite Energy. His exact words were ‘same scam, cheaper initiation fee’. He bragged he was on a five year retirement plan with Ignite. Wow! That was the same thing he told me 2 years ago with ACN. I wonder what happens to those untold riches so quickly. Later that evening he approached me and asked me if I had any work for him with my software company. He claimed he could be a good asset. Yea right. Come up with another pack of lies Neanderthal.

    • STAY AWAY FROM ACN

      WHAT REFUND??? ACN GIVES PEOPLE A VERY, VERY HARD TIME REFUNDING ANYTHING, IF AT ALL, BE IT THE SIGN UP FEES, ANY FRAUDULENT CUSTOMER CHARGES, ETC.. ACN REPS ALSO LIE OUTRIGHT LIKE DENYING THAT THERE ARE REFUNDS IF ONE CHANGES HIS OR HER MIND AND DOES NOT EVEN MENTION ANY 10 DAY REFUND PERIOD—HAPPENED TO SOMEBODY I KNOW WHO WAS SCAMMED BY A SUPPOSED FRIEND THIS WAY. ACN WILL ALSO GIVE ONE A HARD TIME GETTING OUT OF THE “BUSINESS” AS THEY WILL CONTINUOUSLY DEDUCT FROM ONE’S CREDIT OR DEBIT ACCOUNTS BE IT AS REPS OR CUSTOMERS, EVEN IF ONE CANCELLED AND ANY CONTRACT WAS UP ALREADY. MANY PEOPLE (CUSTOMERS, WOULD BE REPS WHO CANCELLED WITHIN THE 10 DAY PERIOD AND REPS WHO FOUND OUT WHAT A SCAM THIS “BUSINESS” IS) WERE FORCED TO CLOSE THEIR ACCOUNTS TO STOP ACN FROM MILKING THEM DRY. THESE ACN REPS SIGN A LOT OF PEOPLE UP, MOSTLY FAMILIES AND FRIENDS WHO TRUST THEM, IN SUCH A HURRY, SOME EVEN WITHOUT GIVING ALL THE IMPORTANT PAGES TO BE READ, AND SOME GIVING OUT FALSE INFORMATION JUST TO GET THEIR DIRTY HANDS ON THE MONEY AND THE CREDIT CARD INFO, ETC. AND ADD TO THEIR BONUSES, PROMOTIONS, ETC.. THEY (REPS) SIGN UP EVERYONE, EVEN TEENAGERS, THEY CAN FOOL INTO JOINING AND WHO CAN FORK OVER THE SIGN UP FEES. I DON’T DOUBT THAT SOME EARN (DIRTY) MONEY BUT MOST ARE ONLY SHOWING OFF LIKE ONE I KNOW WHO WAS JUST LEASING HIS CAR BUT WAS TELLING EVERYONE THAT HE BOUGHT IT FROM HIS ACN EARNINGS–HE TOLD ME IT WAS FOR THE IMAGE TO ATTRACT MORE “VICTIMS”! THOSE WHO DO EARN SOME MONEY WILL EVEN SELL THEIR OWN SOULS, NOT TO MENTION THEIR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS, FOR A FEW MEASLY DOLLARS AS MONEY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR THEM, THEY JUST TRY TO BRAINWASH THEMSELVES AND OTHERS INTO THINKING THEY ARE HELPING PEOPLE WHEN IN ACTUAL FACT THEY USE AND DEFRAUD PEOPLE AND SCAM AND LIE THEIR WAY IN THIS SO CALLED BUSINESS TO LINE THEIR POCKETS WITH BLOOD MONEY. AS I ALSO KEPT ON WRITING IN MY ANSWERS AND REBUTTALS TO THE ACN CLONES ON THE PISSED CONSUMER WEBSITE: ACN MAYBE “BARELY LEGAL” BUT LEGALITY (COURTESY OF ITS HANDSOMELY PAID LAWYERS) DOES NOT MAKE IT NOT A SCAM AND BEING “BARELY LEGAL” DOES NOT MAKE IT ETHICAL, MORAL OR WITH INTEGRITY! STAY AWAY FROM ACN IF YOU VALUE YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS, LIVES AND SOULS!”

  • truth speaker

    The great ACN scam may really be dead. Where are all the lying, cheating, ACN clones hiding. From the IRS maybe? From a group of angry friends and family member who are hunting them down trying to get their $500 back. The earth will be a better place if this scam is truly gone. F-you ACN.

    • buddy

      It may have something to do with the economy coming back. I think in hard economic times that we went through for 4 or 5 years ACN was running rampant because people really wanted to believe in it or rather they wanted to believe in something. Most of the potential ACN dumb ass recruits probably have real jobs now, even if it is flipping burgers at Burger King (which is 1000 times better than scamming your friends and family out of $500 with the evil ACN scam.) Keep fighting the good fight people! Despite what that Dickhead RickJP says we can make a difference and we can actually rid the world of ACN!

  • STAY AWAY FROM ACN

    ACN UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT DEAD. THERE ARE ALSO NUMEROUS BRAINWASHED AND SWINDLING ACN SALESMEN/ CULT MEMBERS, WITH SOME BEING CRIMINALS (I KNOW ONE AND HAVE READ OF OTHERS HIDING BEHIND THIS “BUSINESS”) DEFENDING THEIR “BUSINESS” AND USING INSULTING LANGUAGE AND BELITTLING NON-ACN REPS AT OTHER WEBSITES LIKE PISSED CONSUMER, RIPOFF REPORT, ETC. EVEN YOU TUBE. A MR. LARRY FINKLESTEIN IS ALSO EXPOSING THIS ACN SCAM AND PREVENTING OTHERS FROM BEING VICTIMIZED TOO. HE HAVE 3 YOU TUBE VIDEOS AND HAVE BEEN LAMBASTED BY THE ACN CLONES IN THE COMMENTS PART. I READ THE COMMENTS OF A MR. JOHN SMITH DATED ABOUT 2 WEEKS AGO UNDER MR. FINKLESTEIN’S “YES ACN IS A SCAM! DON’T BELIEVE THE LIES AND DECEPTION!” EXPOSING WHAT A SCAM ACN REALLY IS–WHICH IS REALLY A MUST READ.

  • Barb

    We have had a great experience with ACN, I actually made more money in four years than I did with three large companies in construction for 10 years…I have a great income and virtually no overhead. I am sorry that people are so afraid of something different but great, I guess it forces you to change, which instills too much fear in people. Based on the article, opening any kind of business is a “scam”. Since you have an initial investment, you take a big risk by trying to use your product, or eat at your restaurant…and as we know in any business you have a 97% chance that it will fail in the first 5 years. So the safest alternative where you will never stumble is a job, which wasn’t enough for us entrepreneur types. We wanted more and ACN provided it!

    • Buddy

      AFRAID??? BULLSHIT BARB. YOU HAVE OBVIOSLY BEEN TO WAY TO MANY ACN CONVENTIONS AND HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED. ACN IS A SCAM… PURE AND SIMPLE. THEY COACH YOU TOO LIE TOO YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY IN ORDER TO SCAM THEM OUT OF $500. THEN THEY HOUND YOU TOO TO GO THROUGH YOUR PHONE AND CALL EVERY PERSON YOU KNOW TO DO THE SAME TOO THEM! ITS A BIG PILE OF DOGSHIT AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT!

    • truth speaker

      Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. This is a scam. BEWARE. These are all fabricated lies. Nobody, but the people at the very top of this evil pyramid scheme, are making any money from this scam. I know three people who tried their best at this shit show and didn’t make a dime. It actually ended up costing them money because ACN reaches into your pocket and pulls every penny they can from you for the weekly rah rah meetings, the promotional materials, the website fees, and the national conference fees. Run like the wind from this awful scam.

  • Concernedforfamily

    ACN is making a big push where I am. My brother signed up and gave me the exact same scripted lines and deceiving techniques ACN defenders on these sites do. It started off with him asking me to hang out for some coffee and gets sprung on me last second “hanging out” is trying to get me to an ACN meeting to be hooked to be a rep. After much hassling and me politely as I can declining he settled on hounding me to switch my phone and internet to ACN which offers no savings to me.

    I keep hearing the same thing though, recruit recruit recruit, downline money money money. We both still live with out parents and while I’m working a fulltime job and moving out after I finish car and student loan payments, my brother is hooked into the ACN gospel and convinced that in two years he’ll be caking.
    Meanwhile he blows all his money and time on these ACN meetings and when his kids that he only gets to see two weekends of each month because of his divorce visited for 2 weeks during summer break, he was away for both weeks at an ACN meetup. He still hassles me to switch my phone and internet. I don’t know what I can say to convince him because I’m sure ACN uses brainwashing techniques on par with Scientology.

    • Buddy

      ACN is evil beyond belief! Look at these poor children who are even suffering because their father is brainwashed into believing this bullshit! FUCK YOU ACN. YOU ARE ALL EVIL, BRAINWASHED PRICKS WITH NO MORALS WHATSOEVER.

  • Mikeymeatball

    Here’s the reality, no matter what you do in life you have to work hard. I sell cars for a living and do not get any kind of salary. I only make money when I sell a car. I live 32 miles from the dealer ship I work at and gas here is about $3.80 a gallon. My car gets about 32 mpg’s on the highway (if I baby it :) What if I don’t sell a car for a couple of weeks? It’s cost me $120 in gas and I haven’t made any money…ACN is a GREAT opportunity ONLY IF YOU WORK, ARE UP FRONT WITH PEOPLE, AND HELP THE PEOPLE THAT GET INVOLVED. I AM an ACN rep and MY RVP (Regional Vice President) told me from the gate that it wasn’t going to happen over night. He has always been up front with me and people I have him meet with. THAT’S WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE. I encourage you all to look at a traditional business. There is always someone above you getting paid more then you for the work that YOU are doing. And someone above that person and so on and so on. Like your Mother’s and Father’s always told you as a kid, “if you don’t have anything nice to say, keep it to yourself.”

    • truth speaker

      Duh, my RVP tells me I have to work real hard to sucker my friends and family members into signing up for this scam so I can make a couple of bucks. Duh, if I follow his wisdom I’ll probably make a couple hundred bucks but I’ll never be able to face anyone who I tricked into this, knowing it’s a scam and an evil pyramid scheme. Duh I call myself meatball as a joke but I’m really just a gullible idiot. My mom and dad told me not to talk like that but it’s too late because I’ve already signed them up for the bogus ACN services and invited them to a recruiting session so they shouldn’t be too pissed they have a retarded son.

    • truth speaker

      Oh by the way meatball when you type RVP you don’t have to paraphrase that for us you idiot.

    • none none

      What a moronic post. NO, actually you can make tons of money without working hard. IT IS POSSIBLE. My brothers sister works just 2 hrs a week and makes over 54,000dollars a month. Sound familar? Yeah its a scam. Just like ACN. Dumb Scammers trying to scam smart people just doesn’t work. You cannot fool people that are smarter then you. This is how ACN thrives. Get fools and morons and gullible honest people to fall for the scam.

  • budmike

    I am not going to tell another boring story.ACN is a scam.Anyone who defends them is high up on their local pyramid.Stay away from these greedy cult members!

  • Linda Blackwell

    I encourage everyone to inform themselves on the industry of network marketing
    As my former husband was a traditional business owner that invested $250,000 down borrowed $750,000 from the bank and built a business over 5 years before netting a profit I can assure you that $500 is a small investment to make within a Business. Unfortunately many people miss the Net WORK portion of their ACN Business and neglect to bring their work ethic to the table and plug into the Leadership of the organization. I personally spent a year learning the industry and went to work on a very part time basis and earned $30,000 in 6 months by building a network. I live with Multiple Sclerosis and have great fears and unbelievable fatigue. I look for leaders who want to work hard for 3-5 years in a business part time than the 40 year plan.
    Purchase the book Think and Grow Rich and read daily for 10 minutes.
    Another great read for success The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz
    The Invaluable Laws of Growth by John Maxwell
    And to read The 45 second Presentation by Don Failla.

    The Road to Success is always paved with obstacles
    I am grateful and proud to be in this wonderful industry unfortunately
    Anyone can join the business and people who fail in anything always look to blame anyone except the reflection in the mirror . The article posted was written by someone that has very little clue how success is made in either ACN or in the industry.
    Sincerely Linda Blackwell

    • truth speaker

      Linda,
      First of all I don’t believe you have made that much money with ACN. It has been well documented on this site that the commissions ACN reps make on their beloved ‘residuals’ is pennies on the dollar. Secondly the part you are missing is the deceptive nature of this shit business. ACN reps are coached to lie, deceive, and trick their friends and family members into buying an opportunity to the ACN perceived lifestyle which is a lie in itself. And you can read all the bullshit self-help books you want. They don’t create any success. To be good at ACN you are forced to deceive people just as you have attempted to do with your crap post. Maybe you have made as much as you have claimed Liar.

    • truth speaker

      Dear Linda,
      You know what else I love about your post and it is a recurring theme from all the ACN supporters on this site. The use of outdated and tiresome catch phrases. Net WORK, really? Did your upline teach you that one? Your scripted bullshit is so tired and old. Tell us how many people you tricked into signing up under you so you could make a couple of bucks. How many people took you off your friend list on Facebook? How many people won’t answer your phone calls? How many people who you used to know avoid you when they see you walking down the street? How many of your family members dont’ invite you to holiday functions because they don’t want to hear about the great opportunity of ACN? Can’t wait to hear your answers. Why don’t you look into the mirror and answer these questions honestly. Or maybe you can just fire back some more of your boring motivational phrases they teach you at the weekly rip off sessions that your dumb ass pays $10 to attend.

  • ACNer

    I am in ACN and make 3000 a month on residual income from bills. Been in the business for a year and its nice that i have a day job and get income from ACN over and over again for doing something I did a month ago once. In my opinion ACN has the best job security as i can still be making money even if i was in a full body cast

    • truth speaker

      Oh look another sucker who accidentally stumbled onto his pot of gold. Free money just falling from trees, or from the pockets of your friends and family members. ACN is a scam. You don’t make this kind of money on residuals. You make it from your recruiting fees. Don’t bullshit us with your lies. You’re just another sucker who fell victim to one of your friends who deceitfully lured you to one of the phoney ass ACN investment meetings. Go sell you BS somewhere else. No one here is buying into your scam.

    • Stay Away From ACN!

      Which is it—you have been in the ACN business for a year or you did something a month ago (December 2013) once which made you earn 3000 (???) a month (???) over and over again? Caught in your lies and BS like other ACN sales (con/fraud/swindling) men/women!

    • Jo

      “Residual Income” — I’m guessing that you would need to have an insane number of people using your “service” in order to be bringing in $3000 a month as “residual income” just from the percentage of what your clients pay on their bills. You are obviously earning from the recruitment fees. And are you actually earning $3000 a month or are you “in a position to earn” $3000 a month, as I always hear from anyone I know of who is involved with ACN.

      It just sounds like more hype, to be honest. I’d like to make $3000 a month as residual income too, but if you really are earning that much, do you even need that day job? It just doesn’t add up.

      • truth speaker

        Bull shit. ‘$3,000 a month residual income’. You won’t receive a response from ACN’er because this is the same thing that’s been going on for years on this site. It’s either a new recruit who is all excited about this amazing opportunity I mean ‘scam’ they have accidently stumbled on or it’s an existing ACN cult member who is just lying trying to defend their beloved Ponzi scheme. Borderline legal pyramid scheme is actually a better word. Screw you ACN. I can’t believe people are still ignorant enough to fall for this crap. Wake up people and don’t lose all your friends and family members over this garbage. You will never regain the trust of the people around you if you invite them to one of the ACN rah rah brainwashing sessions. Run like the wind from this scam.

    • none none

      Total bullshit post. You are not even making 3 dollars a month.

  • none none

    I Just got a FB message from a friend of mine, about a similar MLM scam. It is pretty amazing that people continue to fall for these scams. I didn’t even bother replying as the message from her was a long copy/paste BS trying to recruit people into the scam. Isnt worth my time trying to get her out of it. I’ll just let her learn the hard way.

    • Jo

      The unfortunate thing about that is if it’s a lot like ACN your friend will still manage to unintentionally hurt people around her because some people will still fall for the big song and dance. The ACNer I know has been involved with ACN for over 2 years now, and as far as I can tell still hasn’t made a dime. The vehicle he used to drive has been in disrepair since last summer and I believe it would only cost him $150 to fix it. However he is still roping people in with statements like “I’m now in a position to earn $25k a month!” They always use lingo like that, I’ve noticed – “in a position” not “I’m earning this now.” There is no way he is actually earning that much. If he has earned anything it’s gone to pay of the debts he’s incurred by buying all the stuff he “needed” for his image. Image is huge for ACN – you’ll notice that they always post pictures of racy cars they supposedly own and they’re always taking expensive trips. IF any of them are making money, there’s no way they’ll ever cover their debts. They’re trying to live like Donald Trump. I just really want him to stop, it’s not good for him. Or anyone.

      • truth speaker

        To anyone considering ACN this is a very truthful and accurate post. Thanks Jo! Beware of anyone who attempts to lure you into this scam. They are not really your true friends. They are trained to lie and deceive.

        • Jo

          Yes, they probably genuinely care about you as they always did but ACN will make them desperate. They will lie, they will harass you until you say yes, and if you say no they will avoid you. They will continue to boost their image and go on lavish trips for seminars and training, and will continue to go to meetings. They attend those meetings like they are attending church. Rain, snow, hail, hurricanes, whatever – they’ll still go. I suspect they continue to go to talk themselves into it each day, because after a while you probably feel trapped. It really is like a cult.

  • Jody Stacey

    Hi Truth Speaker. I was approached by a former employee of mine a few years ago for this great business opportunity. I found it odd she called me because our there was little contact between us prior. I am very skeptical by nature and had a feeling what to expect when i met her at a local coffee shop. she pitched her business at me and as a part of her pitch she pulled out a magazine featuring a person up a bit high in the pyramid to show how successful this person was. she allowed me to look at the magazine and the first thing i noted was the date. the magazine was 5 years old. she then went on to tell me about all the money she was already aking after 8 months and ‘forgot’ to bring proof when I asked for it. she sent me several e-mails and texts for a few weeks before giving up. a little more than one year later she is no longer working as an ACN rep and won;t tell me why.

    a friend my wife and i met convinced my wife to buy into ACN. at the time my family could not afford to lose a dime because of a job loss. she borrowed money to invest without consulting me, after her involvement over several weeks we almost ended up in divorce court. she almost lost friends and had family members pissed at her. she attended 2 seminars and came back gung-ho each time as I predicted. the person who recruited her is the same that loaned her the $500 to start-up and 1 year after he is no longer with ACN either and we longer communicate with him and we never paid back the $500 either. the language used by my wife was the same used on me earlier. phrases such as “if you don’t help me out then you aren’t a real friend” came up many times when my wife approached people, luckily the friends my wife has are truly friends as they saw the scam and were patient enough and waited for her to learn.
    Take Care

    • truth speaker

      The ACN scum have become so desperate to get people into their scam they are now loaning money for the initiation fee??? This surely marks the downfall of ACN since the initiation fee is the only source of true income for these con artists. Thanks for sharing this story with us Jody. I’m glad to hear your wife finally came to her senses and didn’t lose any friends over the whole ordeal. F-You ACN and F- You John Melton you loser. Karma is a bitch and you have done a lot of really evil lying and deceiving in your life.

    • Jo

      Such a sad story – ACN has even taken people to divorce court, that’s just awful. I have yet to know anyone who has actually made money (I’d really like to see their tax documents!) and not just “in a position” to make a ton of money. I HATE that choice of words the most. We’re all “in a position” to make money. I’m currently wallowing in student loans but could probably get away with saying that I’m “in a position” to make money after I graduate. I chose my degree so that I would put myself “in a position” to make more money in the future. It’s all about dancing around the truth with ACN. The people that I know in ACN, some of them now fairly high up the pyramid, are still living in the same crappy rentals and the fancy cars that they leased in anticipation of all the money they would be making have since been repossessed. It’s sickening.

  • trevor

    I lost so much money in casinos…. it doesn’t mean Casinos in las vegas is a scam… right? by joining ACN… I managed to divert my energy in personal development rather than spending my money of casinos……. So? So what if I paid 499$ ? It’s my money.. it’s my online store… it’s my business… it’s my telecom company.. I love technology….It’s the best $499 I’ve ever spent in my entire life… a lifetime business opportunity that I can pass to the next generation to come.

    • JO

      How exactly will you pass it on to the next generation? That makes no sense. And as to Vegas, there’s a reason the house always wins. It’s not a legitimate way to make money! Neither is ACN!

      Invest in yourself all you like – you invest $500 into a shady business. I invest $40k in a respected degree. You’ll make sporadic amounts for a short while, lose a ton of friends and alienate yourself from your family, and then will likely quit and go back to your day job. I’ll be making upwards of $100k a year, steadily and will NOT lose those things. You will end up with debt you can’t pay off. I’ll end up with debt too, but will be able to pay it off. And the debt is worth it for a lifetime of security.

      The worst part about ACN is what you do to the people around you. Make a count now and then recalculate later, when you’re in debt and leaving ACN – I’ll bet you’ll be down a few friends because you tricked them into going to meetings and made them sit through them as the presenters call them rotten apples for having a brain in their skulls and not signing up for this cult.

      You say it’s the best money you’ve ever spent – how long have you been in ACN? And please, someone, please finally answer this: how much money are you MAKING? Not how much you are in a position to make or any other misleading phrase they teach you in your meetings. How. Much?

      If ACN worked, it would work. There wouldn’t be articles like this one disputing it. If something seems to good to be true it usually is, as they say.

    • hi hello

      Personal development??? hahahaha. ACN is scam. Move along poor ACN sheep. I do feel sorry for you for wasting your time and money and now resorting to posting false info to try to keep your ACN scam alive.

    • truth speaker

      It’s my telecom company. Hahaha. Another new recruit, I mean sucker, who just signed up for this incredible opportunity, I mean scam. Hey Trevor count how many friends you have on Facebook today and check that count again in six months. You will see the repercussions of the ACN scam then. Say goodbye to all your friends and family members now because they will want nothing to do with after you lie and trick them into attending one of your phoney ass meetings. Wise up while you still can and run like the wind from this BS.

  • JT

    Great article, some good critical thinking and reasoning to be had. While I will most likely avoid this “opportunity”, remember that you have a chance, albeit small, to hit it big (or at least decently) with this company. However, it is risky if $500 means a lot to you. If not and you are well off (why would you try this if you’re already well off? Not sure…) then it’s almost no risk with a small chance to hit it big; why not just give it a shot if you really have your heart set on it.

    Just everyone be careful and try not to alienate your friends and ruin people for your own gain if you do decide to be an IBO.

    • Jo

      $500 should mean a lot to anyone who values what they earn – it’s wasted money to a corrupt organization in this case. There is a risk and without alienating people it’s pretty unlikely that you will “make it big.” And unfortunately, it doesn’t stop costing you after you spend the initial fee – there’s the website cost, which granted isn’t a lot but adds up and the pressure to go to training conferences, which are entirely paid for out of your own pocket.

      I’d be fine with ACN if it was an innocent business opportunity that could help you even by as little as $200-$300 a month, but it’s like a cult – once they’ve got you, they’ve got you. They brainwash you (I’m not even kidding, I’ve been to the “meetings” and it’s hard to willfully fall into the “brown apples” category when everyone around you is so excited about money.)

      In my opinion, if a career in sales is what you want, great – invest the money into yourself instead of ACN, go to school for a couple of years and work your way up the right way. You’ll end up respecting yourself far more in the end.

      I gave this same advice to my family member who signed up years ago, and I was brushed off because ACN was surely going to make him rich. Now he’s finally out of ACN and has nothing to show for it at all (unless you count debt.) No future employee is going to care two straws about his stint in ACN, and the “experience” he earned there will probably go as far as a retail employee’s sale experience would. If he’d listened to me at the time, he could be working for a legit company right now, making modest but steady money, working his way up the ladder.

      There’s a reason the phrase “if it’s too good to be true, it probably is” was coined. Making great money without education or experience? Skipping the poor college student part and jumping right into a successful career in business? Too good.