The ACN Scam | Understand This!

Hi,

On the ACN promotional DVDs (for the US and Canada anyways) they state the the average ACTIVE ACN representative made over $500 per year. Does anyone have any information on this? Why do they specify active, what are the criteria for being active?

thanks, Tom

Active: “Made Some Money and Acquired at least 1 New Customer”

I find this article completely irresponsible and littered with ignorance and bad research. You want to know why ACN has an a website on their integrity? First of all, they are a billion dollar worldwide telecommunications company and they should have a site on their practices. Secondly and sadly, not to mention all of the absolute careless and uneducated blogs and articles about network marketing. Warren Buffet, one of the planets wealthiest and certainly most conservative investors, purchased several multi-level marketing companies back in 2002. Like in any small business we all take risks and it requires complete commitment, work ethic and hard work. The $499 investment for an opportunity geared to the entrepreneurial minded folk, ACN is about as solid as it gets. Full disclosure here, I have doing ACN for a couple of months and have only been encouraged and helped to create a successful part-time spare-time business. I've not seen most of what this blog is stating. I am very excited about what it has to offer. I'm hooked and even more excited to share this and help other people become successful. This company has an A+ rating with the BBB and is full of integrity.

Hi there Mark, I think we might have been a little harsh with this article. Really all we would like to draw attention to is the fact that people are not presented with the proper statistics when they are joining ACN. I think if we surveyed some ACN reps 1 to 2 years after signing up, the majority would say that things didn't turn out as well as they had expected. It may have been naive for them to expect success without significant work, but none the less, the majority would feel as if they had been slighted or tricked.

The system is such that you can earn a lot of money just by having people sign up below you and get their five points. Of course long term residual income will come only by assisting and encouraging your team, but that can be tough when they are unmotivated (which, as I'm sure you have seen, often becomes the case.) Perhaps a change to the income structure might be beneficial to those closer to the bottom.

It is also unfortunate that the only income stats published by the company refer only to members who have made money and acquired 1 new customer in a given year. These are good stats to go by for members who are currently active, but they could be improved for people contemplating joining. The big issue we find with the business is that not enough new reps make money. A stat that leaves out all reps who fall into the 'non-money-making' category is simply not effective (for the purpose at hand.)

Maybe we are incorrect in thinking that this type of stat would really help limit the number of people who feel ripped-off as a result of joining ACN. In any event, we feel that something should be done to help ensure that peoples' expectations and their actual results are more in-line with one another.

Please keep us posted on how things go for you in the business. All the best!

Money trick, People. Get a real job, and open up your own business with your own name. Not ACN I hope.

I enroll 15 to 20 new representatives into my ACN business per month.
Out of those, only 2-3 (roughly 10%) actually do what it takes to make it in this business. The numbers do not lie, when you get your own planet you can change it around if you like.
The rest, I make sure they get their investment back (ACN has a 10-day cancellation policy) if they sit on their asses within the first 9 days.
They do have to send in a letter though. In the letter, I ask them to include this:
'ACN works, I just didn't work ACN.'
Funny how people think they can do more research and be more credible than Donald Trump and his team of attorneys.
The 'public' internet is the bathroom wall ladies and gents. Before you say no, make sure you know what you're saying no to.

Stay mediocre.

Mark, you're an idiot. March on smartly and take your place at the bottom of the pyramid.

How sad is this? Some people are quittters in life and will find any excuse to validate that they quit. It's not ACN, Its you! ACN is not part of the Easy Button. It takes work just like anything else. I just went to the National Convention in Ohio a few weeks ago. The co-founders are so real and honest. They have integrity coming out of their pores! I am honored to be part of a family team that all we all have a future in common. What are you doing for a plan B in life? We should all be thinking about this now with todays news. If one could buy a business for $500 and get a bonus that would give you your money back like I did within 30 days? Grab your wrist and check for a pulse! ACN is the real deal. Don't let people steal your dreams! Go big and reach for the stars!

How sad…this is another organization that prays on the elderly. This is at least the fourth get rich sceam my 75 year old father has gotten himself into.

So how many of the people slamming this article here have actually made any significant financial gains from ACN? From reading their responses I'm getting the impression that they haven't.

Anyone who actually made money would not be making posts that rain hail and lightning on an article that dares attack their chosen method of business but would instead offer to demonstrated why the article was incorrect and could back up their statements with information. (And since people who actually know how to make a lot of money rarely ever disclose how exactly that is done, that's not going to happen)

All we've gotten thus far from Mark and company was emotionally charged drivel.

Absolutely right Epoch,
Some successful people do share information on how they became successful. Unfortunately the vast majority of it is watered down principles such as “hard work”. Not exactly the tips new reps are looking for.
It is no coincedence that most MLM companies stress the importance of working on 'yourself' first – then your business. This is because most people don't have the required skills to be successful in direct selling. Some of the prerequisites are: Sales, marketing, advertising (yes, that's a different skill than marketing) , personal appearance/attire (dress for success), and so on. I teach these tennants and more to all of my new reps. This article does an excellent job of highlighting the typical “rah rah” song and dance that most MLM companies utilitize to distract from the huge commitment that is actually required to make any tangible returns.
It is also no accident that the 'up-line' people you meet typically lose interest in you as a 'rep' once your probation period is over. That's because they can't earn any more 'fast-start' commissions from you. Instead of building your residual wealth, they go on to the next guy that's going to earn them a $200 bonus that month.

I run a successful confectionery company and have been an entrepreneur for over 20 years. Not everyone is cut out for the long hours it takes to start a business from scratch. The first 3 years is tough, and usually require 10 – 12 hour days, 6 days a week. My original investment in my confectionery company was $300k, and there was a significant risk involved. When my wife brought up the ACN concept I was initially sceptacle of the entire idea. I'd never wanted to get involved with a MLM type company, and was always put off by AMWAY, AVON, etc. My wife probably puts in a maximum of 12 hours per week, and myself about 6 hours. It took my wife 6 months to start earning a little over $100.00 per month on residue income, and it has increased steadily since. My point here is that starting your own business is not for everyone, and if we worked at ACN 60 – 70 hours per week, like my other start ups, then our income would be even greater. The financial risk of starting a traditional company is much, much greater than $500.00, and is usually what stops people from living out their dream. I bet the majority of people that have failed with ACN would admit to “not really working that hard at it”. As a sales person you have to get used to hearing the word “No thanks” and move on.
Regards,
Kevin Crux
Toronto, Ontario

$500 per year?! I make more than that a month with my own company! And it's NOT an MLM! It's a REAL business!

people need to look at this critically and keep their naiveté in check. the videophone is not a good product. why would anyone buy one unless everyone else they know and call already had one too? also, why would anyone need videophone when webcams are cheap and skype is free???

furthermore, all it initially boils down to for a 'rep' is that they paid 500 and their job is to get other people to pay 500 dollars.

the scam is incredibly intricate, but makes perfect sense once you realize that all most people are trying to do is to get others to pay 500 dollars, then once they pay 500 they are offered to “be their own customers” and their telecom. bills are taken over by ACN at a reduced rate, so your phone bill becomes an ACN bill. it may be less than what you are paying with, say, at&t, but you're STILL PAYING ACN EACH MONTH! they pay your phone bill, but that's just overhead cost to the company because they pay the at&t bill all at once for each of the “reps” at a MUCH lower price than each individual would have paid. therefore, they make a profit because the cost of paying each person's bill is much lower than the money that each “rep” is paying THEM (acn) each month.

any company can make a website on which they sell phones and services at a reduced rate because they buy in bulk at a reduced price per phone and give a markup that's less than, say at&t's would be. But the website and selling phones is just a front that really means nothing to the company except a moderate profit which is dwarfed by the money they make from people paying 500 dollars and THEN selling themselves the reduced service for the monthly bill and signing it over to acn who will pay it for cheaper than they are charging said “rep.”

to surmise, it seems that it is the 'reps' themselves who are being swindled into paying first 500 dollars to ACN, then paying MORE money each month to the company under the guise of a telecom. bill. ACN is not scamming anyone except for their own 'reps.'

maybe some people make money form this… more power to them i suppose. i just hope they can continue with the delusion and don't realize they have jeopardized their personal reputation and their ethical standing.

people just need to THINK CRITICALLY about the information, im just some guy who went through one presentation and was able to see through the scam thoroughly enough, and these are but a few of the bright red flags which reveal the holes in the company. these are just what i thought of it all and if im wrong, please demonstrate exactly how by presenting real information.

Pick up the phone, tell people to come to a presentation, get them signed up, and then make money. I'm sorry if this seems like a hard way to make money. Would you listen to a multimillionaire or this guy who posted this article to tell you how to make money?

To get a return on any monies we put forward takes a certain amount of time. I have not heard the term “business plan” in any of the blogs today. For any one going into ACN, I hope that they put together a Business Plan before starting and for those people who have not heard of the phrase, stop now and go back and take a business course. No business is get rich quick thing.

Let a now-ex talk me into joining ACN. Lots of pressure to make contacts. If they think you know someone who has a big pool of family/friends to draw from, they're your best friends. As soon as your momentum slows down, or the someone you know doesn't quite work out, they drop you like a hot rock. That's all fine, even expected, I supposed. The issue I have is that while I was a rep, I/we bought 2 video phones. Shortly after deciding I'd had enough (and the breakup w/the ex), I called to cancel the subscription for the phones, knowing I'd be paying early termination fees for both. It's nearly impossible to get to talk to somebody for a cancellation, and they apparently don't know how to do it, because all this time later and I'm still getting billed for them. Not a chance in hell I'm going to pay them when they're the ones who didn't follow through on their part. It's just crazy. For those of you who think it's going to work…..good luck. I've know some people with amazing sales skills, and they didn't make it. Their products are good, their practice……not so much.

Thank you for the insight I gained into this company. You can bet your last dollar I will not be spending my $500 on this sham.
E. Hector, Canada

After several days of research and actually calling several ACN representatives randomly, I could find no one that can prove to me by either check stubs or tax returns that they are actually making substantial income the company claims you can make, none the less much money at all. I was told repeatedly that, “my up line is making six figures” but yet again no proof was provided outside of a conversation from a Team coordinator but again with out any proof this claim could not be substantiated.

Like most MLM and network marketing models the upper echelon of any company are those individuals who have help start and create the business in turn whom will profit best. This takes high dollar investment, commitment, time, the ability to motivate and the staying power to have major cash reserves to live off of while your down lines grow and your recruitment multiplies.

Unfortunately, for the average Joe, most peoples warm market (the emphasis in their marketing model) cannot provide the recruitment and point demands(ACN's qualifying system) to earn the cash bonus's that can actually be worthwhile. Again remember to reach these hard to attain positions requires a sales background, top notch organizational skills, the ability to motivate and maintain a sales force and again most importantly cash reserves to sustain oneself while your business grows.

I stress this because of my experience and past involvement in several MLM's over the course of my sales career. ACN's payout is that of a typical pyramid model yet slightly reversed due to the stress of supporting your down-lines and being less competitive with those in your legs however, I find the cash bounty's for acquisitions and overrides to be poor and not worthwhile even attempting.

Lastly, due to the initial investment(currently $499) and hidden fees(marketing tools, website, trainings, product services, etc..) to pay monthly most required by their representatives, will find themselves upside down for quite sometime if not ever. Do the math! simply sit down take a few minutes and calculate their payout plan leaving out the hype, hoopla and could, would, chances and bonus's they promise if you reach certain levels, keeping in mind most people will not be able to achieve.
Coming from a business background and successful sales career I have always found it difficult to break out of the lower-mid tiers of any MLM. I’m not saying this couldn’t be the right thing for certain individuals but for me to drag in those less capable then myself and strain my relationships with friends and family when I know they are most likely doomed to failure is not something I am ready to part take in.
And one more last thing, every MLM has a main focused product to mask the pyramid and concentrate their company’s sales around. This happens to be their local and long distance service matched with a video phone which requires DSL or broadband internet service to operate (another bill). Hello people! if you have high speed internet you can use Skype, yahoo video messenger, Google video chat, Google talk, Fring, etc. for FREE, yes for Free! So simply have a laptop with a web-cam or simply buy one for your computer for twenty to thirty bucks and voila there is your free video phone WITHOUT any monthly fees and bull!
Yours Truly,
Tony

I was presented material and an ivitation to attend an ACN meeting and saw the exact same thing as you did. Please people use your common sense and judgment and simply do the math the numbers dont lie. Stay clear if you dont know what your getting into. Takes money time and sales ability to qualify and make any money at all.

So SAD! all this people whinning about the $500.00 investment? If you look at the value not the cost and you work your ass out there $500.00 is nothing… ACN is not for everybody and perhaps not for lazy whinny people like most of you here… If you are content of what you have good but dont tell others ACN didnt work.. its you that didnt work! I know for some people welfare is better than work on a job.. My question is do you have an MBA or Massive Bank Account working on a job ? At least alot of people in this organization have a success story.. How about this whinnys here whats your success story? Are you in The SUCCESS from home magazine yet? So funny…

Dude, is your shit pushed so far up your fucking ass it's coming out of your mouth? People like you are scum… preying on other people's dreams of becoming successful. You should be shot in the head.

Another Scumbag… Did you actually just reference Donald Trump as if he was someone who adds credibility to your organization? He's just a paid puppet who is selling his name to the highest bidder. He would back up the Taliban if they paid him enough.

The bottom line is people like you are liars who are attracting a vulnerable consumer into buying your bullshit dream of becoming a superstar.

Let me ask you this. If ACN is truly a credible organization then why is more emphasis put on gaining new recruits than actually selling the “state of the art” (what a joke) telecom products it's originally supposed to? You're a fucking jackass buddy… go to hell.

Vanessa

Wow, the begging part is what i dislike the most, asking family and friends for a favor is YUCK to me. One of my friends that is currenly in ACN is a complete begger and that's why she's in it, and this job fits her character.

Well said Vanessa. This “company” just smells of a pyramid scheme that entices dimwits like the one a little further up into sending them $500 in return for “their own business”. What a joke. At best you're nothing more than a salesman, but more than likely you're just a sucker contributing to fraudulent scheme masquerading as a legitimate company.

BP's is either one of the soul-less suits behind this scheme or someone who's just come from one of those seminars (I hate that word btw) designed to pump up the morale of the idiots who thought they bought a business for $500 and make them think everyone who didn't get suckered into it or got out is just a loser who didn't try hard enough.

The only people who are definitely making any money off of this are the handful at the very top. I'm sure they're rolling around in exotic cars somewhere south California wearing stupid big sunglasses and laughing all the way to the bank.

“Takes money time and sales ability to qualify and make any money at all.”

Doesn't any self owned job take money and time to be successful in?

I completely agree with you, notAquitter. I'm sure that most of the whiners here are weak at business development. They need to stay put with their glass ceiling corporate American jobs that they'll be working until they either die of old age or milk our government assistance program dry and whine about that too.

The ONLY people who should work MLMs are those who are true entrepreneurs. My husand and I own “real” businesses and have built a very healthy income. We recently joined 2 MLMs because we are exceptionally networked, have a terrific team of entrepreneurs around us and have done our homework on a process that works.

If you're a lightweight with no contacts, no plan and want a get rich quick pill then you will fall to the wayside of such MLMs. Get out of our way. We are on a mission to add to our residual income and negative attitudes are the reason why you deserve to stay exactly where you are while the rest of us in the upper tax bracket cover the gap for those less capable.

Tony, I agree with you that your average Joe isn't going to find success in this type of business model. I think where MLMs go wrong is in pushing the golden $ signs and don't put enough emphasis on the work needed to build, train and motivate a sales team to keep the momentum going. Very few people possess this talent, which is why so few actually get paid at the end of the week. This type of business isn't for the poorly skilled wannabes of the world. And there's no business you could buy for $500 and have the potential you have with MLMs. I know because I invested $30k in franchise fees and nearly a $200k business loan to get a business going and I busted my hump to make it one of the top 10 stores in the country (which it is). Hiring, firing, training, inventory, accounting/payroll, customer satisfaction, marketing, business development…it's insane the amount of time involved and then I pay the host 50% royalties and don't even get me started on the taxes.

And people are crying about a measly $500! If you don't have it to invest – then stick with your day job. If you're a pony then don't fool yourself into thinking your a racehorse.

Speak for yourself pony. Have you actually joined this MLM scheme and made any substantial earnings? No? Then kindly shut that hole in your mouth please, thank you.

Potential for earnings is irrelevant to the matter; I could potentially make a few hundred thousand dollars robbing a bank, or starting an illegal pyramid schem-, err, “MLM” gig. Doesn't mean that it's not a shady (and potentially illegal) thing to do. Sorry for being just a pony and not wanting to take part in a scheme where most people will never earn anything substantial because those who do earn anything are at the top sucking money from the base at the bottom who were dumb (for lack of a better word) enough to think they can be one of the few elite individuals at the top of the pyramid.

I question you're ability to handle finances if you think $500 is a “measly” sum of money. I have well beyond $500 in savings, but I'm not going to blow even $100 of it on something I know is designed to fail most individuals. I wouldn't carelessly waste $500 if I made a seven figure income, because that's just how I am.

If you actually knew anything about managing money–and you should if you supposedly got a franchise off to a start (which to be honest isn't all that impressive compared with getting a completely new business idea going)–you'd know that you can't be careless with even $10 because each “measly” sum of money you're careless with quickly adds up. $500? I wouldn't give these guys $5.

The view from the top of the pyramid is pretty good isn't it? I hope you can sleep at night. I know I wouldn't be able to if I succeeded in rising to the top of a pyramid scheme.

In every Direct selling Company there are only two kinds of people THE Quitters and The WINNERS ! Sorry you didnt make it to the top… When you involve yourself to this kind of business you should know that its not gonna be easy… and not fast money you have to look at this as a 3 to 5 years commitment people that stay and produce sales are the ones that make it to the top! Quitters are just simply lets say this business are not for them…

“If ACN is a scam then Direct TV, ADT security, and T-Mobile are all in on it”

Sure they are, why wouldn't they want thousands of reps selling their services at no cost to them. It only benefits them!

“Donald trump and his team of attorneys endorse it, I guess they're in on the scam too!”

Indeed he is, Donald trump also endorsed a company called Cash 4 Gold, which is, indeed a SCAM! He'll do anything to make a dollar, or a million for that matter.

I have noticed after reviewing several ACN blogs that all reps sound the EXACT same. They sound like a bunch of puppets. I have not yet heard one ACN rep form their own opinion of the business, they're just repeating words and phrases they heard at the last seminar.

A bit of advice… Avoid the ACN Cult at all costs.

One last thing, I really do get a laugh every time I hear reps call themselves entrepreneurs. HA!

You can be successful in anything that you put your mind to; however, there is a moral priciple in play. Why should the money made from this business be PRIMARILY from RECRUITING? It should be focusing on the product. But you rarely hear about this in the presentations. $500 was a good life experience for me. Never will happen again.

LIFE LESSON #1: Make sure you DO YOUR RESEARCH ON ANYTHING YOU INVEST IN BEFORE YOU INVEST IN IT!

LIFE LESSON #2: Do what you REALLY want to do! If you don't want to do it, or are even a bit skeptical! DON'T DO IT!

LIFE LESSON #3: Do what makes you happy. Don't be Conned just because someone is “more of an expert” or “has more money”! This means nothing. If you don't KNOW what you want to do! Someone else will give you an agenda with your life!

To all the naysayers…I have been in ACN for 6 months. The problem that I see is that some MLMs will take anyone with a pulse and a check, and good luck ever hearing from the “upline” again. My upline taught me that to sponsor someone in this business is to have RESPONSIBILITY for them, and assisting them in making their money back as soon as possible, and hopefully more. Another thing about ACN, is that it's fine if you don't want to be a partner. But you are going to use the services whether you go through an ACN partner or not. There is NO ADDITIONAL COST to go through an ACN partner.

Lastly, I currently have recruited 5 people as my personal partners, and each of them has made at least their investment +$100 in their first 45 days. Many people are not TAUGHT EXACTLY what to do to get customers and partners. Each of those partners has at least two partners and one of my partners has 9. I no longer need anymore personal partners, it is just a matter of assisting my downline by coaching, teaching and showing the opportunity and getting customers. Lastly, my initial customers (neighbors) saw the opportunity the first week I was in it, and chose not to get involved. However, they did allow me to serve them and got Local/Long Distance, Dish Network, and one got a new cell phone. Two months ago, I had a BBQ, and I didn't even talk to them about ACN, they asked me how things were going, and I showed them my team on the backoffice. They both joined that day.

By the way, I work ACN part time 5-10 hrs per week. Just from people paying their bills, I'm getting close to replicating my work income. Not to mention the extra money has come just in time, since my job has cut me by one shift a week. Also, my upline has also just retired 2 years early from the City Jail. I can't wait to walk into my bosses office to talk to him about my eye problem, “I just can't see my self working here anymore!”.

Sincerely,
TD

I love it when people talk about things they haven't used. Like Skype…what a garbage service. Horrible quality, and lag time, and you have to set it up. I do agree that it is free.
HelloWorld cost a lot more for exactly the same thing…

By the way Skype doesn't work everywhere. I have a client who travels to Dubai 6 weeks in Dubai, 6 weeks in US. He used Skype (or tried to), and asked me if he could borrow a Video phone to use the next time he went. He loved it, and was in. I don't sell or offer a service unless I feel that people are going to use it and understand it. Also, note that Apple Facetime is better than Skype, the only problem is that there aren't any more unlimited data plans for Iphones.

By the way the FCC estimates that there are currently 8M videophones in use and by 2013 there will be 80M in use.

Also, recently a customer got a new cell phone Palm Pixi was $299 with $200 rebate on the provider's online store. On my ACN website it was $49. That saved her $50, and she doesn't have to wait for the rebate check.

I routinely save (Low End) Dish Network customers $5/mo.

An ADT guy came to my friends door (he has ADT with ACN already) and quoted him a price $20 higher than the ACN equivalent service.

I could go on and on, and I'm fairly new in the business. I can tell you this though, I'm making above $100/mo on residual and my partner bonuses vary from $500, and my best monthly bonus was $1500. Again, I'm fairly new in the business.

Scenario I teach my Partners…

If you get one partner per month, is that HARD WORK?

If you get 2 Customer Services/month is that HARD WORK?

If you were to follow those two examples as above, AND TEACH each of the partners you get to do the EXACT same thing by the end of your first year your residual would be above $400/mo and you'd have bonuses of around $2k/mo, and if everyone is on the same page, it would NEVER GO DOWN. Don't get me wrong, there are quitters in every bunch, which is one reason I try not to talk about GIANT residuals and bonuses.

Vanessa, how is he a jackass? and Epoch below, some ACN reps are dimwits? I personally know 4 doctors that are in this, I have a Bach in Computer Science (don't even get me started on that business, my friends still in that industry make less than cops and have no OT).

There are 3 types of people:

1. Will watch it happen…
2. Will MAKE it happen…
3. Will say…What happened?

I'm deeply sorry if you got involved in this business and it didn't work for you. Like I said, I teach RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY for each partner you SPONSOR into this businss and the worst case scenario is that you make back your investment and have a $20-30 residual check every month.

I know I spout a lot of rhetoric, but seriously, no one is trolling on you and if you notice, most of us who are in the Pro column are very professional about it, while you spout obscenities.
That makes sense, way to get your point across.

Finally, you may or may not be religous, but another ACN partner (not one of mine, didn't know they were in the business until this happened), donated $5000 to our church to help out needy unemployed families. Unfortunately, I don't have those resources…yet.

They are on the top of the pyramid because they work not only harder but smarter…I'm pretty sure they sleep well not only at night but anytime they want to sleep and wake up when their done sleeping without hitting the snooze botton … ACN is not a get rich quick pill that when u take it tonight u will become a millionare in the morning… its hard work but ur working hard for your own business… Direct selling is not for everybody if ur lazy and you cant face ur fear of rejection ACN is not for you and dont even try to do it because ur just gonna be a shame to the company… Your just gonna be running around everywhere telling everybody that ACN didnt work for u… and hopefully u will meet somebody that will ask you how come it didnt work for u ? maybe because ur desire is not good enough to succeed with ACN… goodluck and have a happy life with ur day Job… Gosh I just cant imagine being at work for 8 hours a day weekly and still get paid less…

Good Job Troysupdate! congrats… u are just few steps away to be on the top of the “pyramid” how does it feel? isnt it nice that all your hardwork are being recognize and being paid? more power to you…

Rob, You are very right.. we can be successful in anything we want to do….the desire to succeed is very important… investigate before u invest your time, energy and money make sure this is really what u wanted to do… so that when u decided to quit u wont be telling everybody that this business didnt work for you and so its a SCAM…good luck!

Oh my GOD! Are you people serious? The people for this scheme are for it because they need to convince people to get in so that they can make money. Of course you can make money with this, but only if you are very very lucky and at a high level. Pyramid schemes are very successful for the people at the top… ie. Maddof.
This is absolute bullshit, it's a pyramid scheme and the people at the bottom are the ones who get screwed. You can't say anything against this! Whatever people tell you of their success is complete crap, like the article says, ask for proof! It's in their best interest to make it seem like they are making a lot of money! So whatever comes out of their mouth is obviously bullshit! The people defending ACN are just protecting the scam so they can make more money, and eventually when it falls or gets made illegal the many at the bottom will lose their money and all the time they spent hoping to become rich.
If you buy into this nonsense then you are the same kind of person who buys all those ab workout machines from infomercials… you CAN'T get rich fast! Not unless you ALREADY have money or you have a very original idea that can be marketed that has for some reason not already been thought of before. Try inventing something and see how many patents are out there!!!
Get an education, get a good job where you can move up and do what honest people do. COMMON!!!!!!

these things are all shit. get a real job. stop sending me philosophies on life happiness and mental positivity so only to try and sucker me in to making you profit. sad, and a weak fallback for other failed opportunities. you'll agree like all my friends who tried this shit did in, oh, i'd say a year, when you realize you've gone nowhere…

and to reply to 'some people are quitters in life and will find any excuse to validate that they quit'…i did quit this horseshit and went to get a masters degree, now teach at a university and don't have to worry about scamming other people into thinking the 1. wealth comes from becoming a false messiah and 2. that anyone can do it if they 'persevere'. I have no regrets. Paychecks are constant and stable. Life is more interesting when you do what you want to do, and don't pretend that saving people save 20% on effin phone bills is the be all and end all of a happy, productive life.

Look Troy and the other ACN rookies, Skype i believe was used as an example, though you are failing to mention yahoo and Google's Talk or Gmails video phone that are free, yes free. Its not Skype thats horrible it was probably your internet service provider and yes ACNs video phone would work just as lousy with a poor connection being the specs required to operate it sufficiently are the same for most video phone applications.
As far as saving people money, well that may be possible but saving are everywhere if shopped for properly.
Now as far as earning a solid living off of those residuals vs the hype and baloney they push at these ACN opportunity meetings are two entirely different things.
You talk about your earnings and I'm sure you can possibly prove it but honestly do you're numbers. You are talking gross, not net. I wonder what your over head is in pertaining to time, monthly fees from ACN, etc etc. Compared to what you initially invested plus the hours and money in order to facilitate sales, etc. You are long ways of truly breaking even, if at all. Your said net from what you state above is most likely less than minimum wage when broken down and I can tell you, i am being generous.
Enjoy your mild success, if I should call it that but in comparison to the thousands upon thousands of poor souls who havent made a dime in it well you all keep chasing the hype. As you and your other colleagues mention, “you must have hope and dreams”, and yes I think we all have Hopes and dreams to win the lottery or make it big someday but with any sense we'll stick to providing for our families and not in debiting others to get most likely no where off the gullible and helpless and sleep good at night knowing tomorrow well work harder towards a brighter future. Be smart people and be safe, God Bless!

Look not a quitter you are absolutely right but the problem is ACn wants all of their representatives to recruit everyone and anyone. There should be some sort of guideline and recruiting structure that clearly warns those that the opportunity has sales and different types of requirements in order to become successful.
Most jobs clearly state the requirements and skills needed for success. How come most MlMs including ACN fail to be selective during their recruiting process? These company portray their mission as if its simple and attainable for everyone.
I will tell you why, FOR MONEY! MONEY AND MORE MONEY. More money for the founders and the up lines that will profit most. In actuality these people would take the money off of our grandparents, children, anyone who would sign and pay the $499 to join and why? Well its to feed their greed and fulfill their number one objective—-PROFIT AT ALL COST!!!
We can all make it, work hard, smart and diligent. Be proud of what you do, because what you do, is who you are and who you are is remarkable, God Bless1

Well said Tony, great advice. If you are looking into the ACN company read this. God Bless.

Ignorance on fire is way better than Intelligence on ice… research all you want just make sure you are not only seeing the negative part of it that most people do here… Any successfull business is scam if someone else is doing it and didnt work for them. Look at the positive side, research how many people are still in the business and making success… Success is determined by you and only only… Dont listen to what others telling you, Listen to yourself and ask yourself is this really for me? What if 5 years from now I am still in the position I am in right now which I dont like? What if 5 years from now I will make it to the top with all the effort and hard work I am putting into the business? Is $499.00 really matter if I can make $499,000? The decision is yours dont let the opportunity pass by.. GRAB IT!

P=Pass
O=Over
O=Opportunity
R=Regularly

R=Residual
I= income
C= Create
H=Happiness

Which one are You? We all know that money cant buy Happiness but for sure It will give us an option…

Wow. I see how “education” educated you. What university do you teach at so I can make sure my kids don't go there. Its sad that anybody as negative as you are can go out there get a ” masters degree” to wave around and teach kids to be robots and become mindless corporate workers.
And its sad to see that your education didn't teach you to be a profesional teacher and learn not to use profanity when trying to express yourself.. You are giving real teachers a bad name..

Kevin Thank you for putting this into perspective. Bottom line is if $500 is going to keep food off your table and eliminate the roof over your head, you should not take the “risk” and invest that money into a biz that has all its tools and marketing material, training, customer support (for just your customers who purchase services through you) included in that one time investment. Also be aware that you only pay an additional $29.99 a month if you want the website. That's it. You don't need the website since ACN has one. Just make sure your customer has your ID number so you can get the credit for the sale.
On another note…Where are you going to find a biz where the product is cheaper through you than through the retailer? Granted it may only be $5 per month for the 1st 12 months of service cheaper with some of the services but with the economy today that is a big savings for some customers. And its Big Name Brand services they are using anyway so why not redirect it to someone who is starting up and who is looking for the American Dream. That is what this country was built on.. Indiviual entruepranuers (See even someone who can't spell can still work hard and be sucessful..lol) So yes think about what that $500 really means to you and what it can do for you right now or for your future…

That's because you have the mentality of a taker and not a giver. If you ever truly understood the MLM concept of “helping” people succeed inorder for you to succeed, then you would be successful. So you are right in that this is not a biz for you since you don't have what it takes to help others but take from them especially their desire to have a better life.
If you read this article that we are all commenting on..it states that ACN the company is not illegal in their practices. Only the bad apples such as yourself can sign up and do nothing but complain how “this doesn't work” or “its too hard” and give ACN a bad name. So how's the view from where you sit? if its soo good then why are you here bad mouthing MLM's? Did you sign up for one and didn't try hard enough and that's why you are here on this blog?

Yeah Peps… open your own business and make sure you are NOT spending more than $499.00. Let me see Advertising alone will probably cost at least 10,000/year, and how about the workers comp.,Insurance, licenses, your office building? ha! ha! Dont be ignorant !

Then you should call ACN customer support and ask what can you do to help your 75 year old father get his money back. Also did you even support your Dad in this at all? Before you call something a scam, you should look into the company and ask what you can do to help. I think its great that you father has the insight and wisdom to still try at his age. You'd think that by now he would be so jaded such as you. I hope you look at him and see how hope still lives in him and you get some of that and learn from him and move forward.

Wow and you call yourself her friend when you just put her down? Uh who needs enemies when they got you for a friend.. Do her a favor and lose her number.. She definetly dosen't need your friendship.

This is an interesting response since the original article came off harsh and created the feedback that is listed above. I have been in ACN for almost 6 months and haven't received a dime! HOWEVER, two weeks after signing up my mother passed away and I was unable to continue the business I didn't get the bonus which would have been ($1400) back had I got 2 reps to join and added on at least 8 customers. To me this was a feasible short-term goal and an easy way to get my investment back. But for me that didn't happen and almost 5 and a half months later. I'm just getting back in the business and starting over. It doesn't take a rocket science to see that those at the top will continue to get richer due to people at the bottom. This sounds like my last employer who worked less and got paid more, while I worked my butt off for pennies (basically) but for me I enjoyed the work I was doing. And this is how I feel about ACN, if you don't enjoy what you are doing you should not be doing ACN there are risk in every business, upline, downline, etc. And if you can't at the end of the day say “If I make it to the top, Great!, If not at least I enjoy what I do.” You are missing the point to life's happiness. It's not only about the money! but my peace of mind and unlike the comments I've been reading I don't believe I'm scamming poor people, because I'm at the bottom asking other people at the bottom if I can help save them some money? Or asking those who can afford the $500 if they would want to do this business with me? You can call me naive, I call myself FREE, of the opinions and judgments of others and enjoying building my ACN business. Also, my upline sponsor continued to encourage me to get the business going she was honest on how it would help her and honest on how it would help me. This was after my 30 day window of success. I'm just glad I can see both good and bad of ACN and I look forward in witnessing what I'll be able to do in this business by the hard work I plan to put into it. I can only be responsible for me and my actions before I say this didn't work, but believe me it will be after giving 100%.

-Portland, Oregon ACN Rep

I like network marketing…it works if you can talk to people honesty and we all work together.

Skype is wicked.

Been with ACN for seven years. not worth your time. Worked my ass off, people will HATE YOU!! is it worth $30/mth NOO. Good thing i didnt put my eggs in one basket. Investments in precious metals made me well off. Wish i had that $500 to put there then.

Really this is easily a pyramid scheme they show it to you at the “seminar”.
you get hired, you hire two people, they hire two people …..
draw it out … looks kinda like a pyramid no?

Rob nailed it on the head. If the point of the company was to sell the product or service, then the vast majority of the focus of seminars would be on just the products and services.

So is it? All you ACNers tell us, what do they teach you in the seminars?

If the focus is on “changing your life”, or “how to be the person you want to be” or other such motivational crap… then it's a scam. A company that is focused on their product/services will carefully interview and recruit people who are good salespersons, not cast a wide net with motivational catch phrases, tag lines, and other gimmickry in hoping they'll get 1% to actually sell their product.

Last and certainly not least, I've never had to pay $500 to go to a job interview. My first job out of college my company flew ME across the country and set me up in a nice hotel with a rental car for a CHANCE to talk with me.

I Googled ACN because one of my wife's family friends' son is in it, and it's kind of sad. The poor sap has custom vanity plates that read “SVPTOBE” (that's Senior Vice Pres To Be), and posts numbskull stuff on his facebook like “Status: Not working very hard and making a lot of money” when his own family admits he isn't making a dime.

He drank the kool-aid… whoever said it was a cult was right.

at least I can spell. Education gave me that much. I teach at U of T. And, truly, I'm not negative: I'm sick of idiots trying to convince me that their so-called positivistic 'prophecies' are not in vain and have nothing to do with suckering me into some bullshit pyramid scam. Talk about robots. And for the record I teach psychology so I have no business nor desire training people to become 'mindless' corporate workers. Get your facts straight you clown. I am standing up for potential suckers everywhere- I'm going to go with the notion that it's actually quite contrary to your idea of giving teachers a bad name. One thing I do teach is to stay away from junk programs like ACN. Have a nice day cowboy.

And, if I may retort, if the view from where you sit is so pretty, why are you wasting your measly time responding to so-called 'bad-apples' on this thread?

I agree with EntreprenuerGirl!!! I myself have invested hundreds of thousands on traditional business. If you have no motivation to remove yourself from your hole, then you'll have no motivation to succeed in life.

You speak about the “individuals at the top of the pyramid” “sucking money from the base at the bottom”. Did you vote those “individuals” to the top, or did they earn it by hard work and successful business pratices? Have you ever asked how those “indivuduals” got to where they are today, I think not so “shut that hole in your mouth”!!!

I've had the pleasure of meeting many successful ACN reps. Some are multi-millionaires already from past business's. I've learned that if anyone wants to be successful then you should rub elbows with successful people. If you want to be broke then hang around broke people because they know how do shatter dreams and find the negatives aspects of every opportunity. Not every opportunity fits our personality, but staying open minded and giving some opportunities a chance will find success eventually.

I've tried several MLM opportunities and can't say anything negative about any of them. They were not the right fit for me. I would not and could not sell, lotions, potions, and magic candy bars/energy drinks. Not right for me and many other people. ACN is not for everyone! I've done my research from “credible” sites. I can honestly say that it is an amazing opportunity because they utilize bills that we pay anyways and re-direct them through ACN. Which means you can make a residual income by helping your friends and family save money on services they are going to pay anyways and you make a commission from it. ARE YOU SERIOUS!!! Find me another opportunity where I can do the work 1 time and get paid on it for as long as the customer keeps paying that bill like internet, phone, wireless, home security, power & gas, local and long distance, WiMax….. WOW!!!

So Ponyboy Epoch, don't spend your money on ACN because your a failure in life already. It takes money to make money. If your waiting for your ass to shit out money then good luck to you. Just don't say ACN is “designed to fail most individuals”. They fail themselves, put in hard work and success will follow.

After reading your comments, I've come to realize you have had some experiences in your life in which you failed yourself. If 60 days person is doing well in a business where she is helping people save money on bills they pay anyway, why are you so negative about that???

Everything we do for a living is marketing a product, service, or ourself. ACN offers services we pay for anyways. Your on your internet right now, and someone is making money off you, dipshit. It's probably 60 days in. So you talk about “sucker me into making you profit”, someone already is, but would you rather have a huge company make money off you? Or would you rather have your friend or family member? But I can tell you something, it's not you making money on your bills. It's not like ACN is selling or marketing magical energy drinks that make you smarter. But if they did you should order a case.

My wife has a masters and I dropped out after 2yrs. I make twice as much money without a degree. Statistics show that over 90% of millionaires in the US haven't completed 2yrs of college. More people drop out of college than drop out of ACN. The difference is college drop outs don't blame the college. We are always quick to blame someone else other than ourselves for failure. Stop looking at your failed experiences and let others follow their dreams and desires.

Dipshit….brrrr. I'd rather do something I love as opposed to relying on 'helping' people help me. Here we go with the millionaire stats again. You know, the whole point has been missed, but that's predictable. If you think money is the key to happiness good luck to you. Save your stats; I couldn't care less what ratio of millionaires have degreees. Go to sleep with your stats and feel good about your ACN experience- I bet it's always been your dream.

I recently found out through ACN from a close friend, I was invited to ” learn about a great business opportunity ” when I asked what it was about, I was told that no one was allowed to say anything and that if I was interested to ” come to a meeting ” so my fiance and I did.. We were invited to someone's house and once we arrived, I again.. asked what all this was about.. and was again told that they couldnt explain anything, that we would have to wait until the meeting started. So eventually everyone that attended this meeting was asked to gather in the living room of this persons house, we were given clipboards with sheets of paper that had information on it, and we were asked to watch a DVD.. in this DVD they explained how ACN was this huge great company and explained how you can make 3,000 dollars a week practically doing nothing. Donald Trump himself was on the DVD as well. After that.. there was an ” expert ” who got up and spoke for awhile, she talked about her 4 years of success and blah blah blah, and briefly ( and so slyly ) mentioned the 499 fee. ( if I hadnt been paying such close attention I would have missed it myself ) Now being a single mom with hardly any income, I was excited at first.. but after she was done speaking I went to her and said ” Hey.. this is great but I just dont have 500 dollars to put into this whole business thing ” she assured me that everything was fine and in turn said that I was able to attend the training for free as a guest of someone else, and I was also assured that if after the training, I brought 5 more people to a meeting and had them sign up with ACN, she would PAY ME 500 dollars. Sounded like a great chance to make money… until I did some research.. There's alot of hidden fees with this scam.. most you dont even know about until you sign up.. My cousin falls in the list of suckers that they've conned 500 bucks out of already and I'll give it to them.. their plot is on point. They know exactly what to say to people to seem like it's a huge success story.. Bottom line is.. It's one of the biggest internationa pyramid scheme MLM scams in the world. I even read something about it being banned in Australia!!!! If any of you out there read this… DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT GET INVOLVED WITH ACN NO MATTER HOW CONVINCING THEY SEEM!!!!!!! I was lucky to get out before I got in… and never again will I become interested in a ” work from home business opportunity “

ACN is a waste of time, i do agree with whoever made this website to warn others. I mean, seriously, why would you drop all of your hard earned money into a site that, i, have never heard of til a day or so ago. 500 dollars is alot of money now-a-days, and to be dropping it into an internet based job seems a little sketchy to me. I can understand the depth of people's minds when they discuss the amount of money that you are able to earn AFTER dropping half a grand on “job tools and expenses”… but SERIOUSLY, if you have 500 dollars and want to spend it…pay your bills or something. It just looks like a waste of time and money to me. Thanks for your time. Kaz

I went to one recruitment meeting with a long time friend whom I know for over 20 years. I was very impressed by everything I heard but things didn't add up.
I am glad I did my research and read your site. Everything you said here I heard at the meeting.
I decided not to sign up and I am glad I didn't. My friend is very involved with attending meeting but has not discussed the subject of me joining again or mentions if she is making any money.
This is not my cup of tea.
Thank you for posting the information on this site. It is very informative. It helped me make the right decision for me.

Just like any other Company that we have been associated with you always start at the bottom. If you go into a business realizing this, you won't set yourself up for failure or disappointment. At this point and time I have made my $499 back and made a profit of $101 in 29 days. Where else can you do this? So most of the people that complain about this business are people that want the money handed to them without working for it. Life is always a gamble and being self employed is obviously not for “everyone”, but if you never try you will never know!

You are obviously one of those that think it is suppose to be a get rich quick business and sit back and wait for the check to come in! Get off your ass and work hard for it and it will come! Thanks but no thanks for your negative input and keep hanging out with your Just Over Broke friends. It's okay that you don't have what it takes, we don't want you in our business anyway. God Bless

You and your friends are obviously people who want it handed to them. News Flash……………..I'm sure your still paying on your Master Degree and you will be for a VERY LONG TIME! Good Luck with that, Mr. Teacher. I wouldn't want your negative Nelli attitude teaching people I love and care about! Maybe you should have gone to Yale or Harvard where they teach MLM! Maybe you would have learned something!

Thanks for the reply traci. Truth is, I was funded by the government for 22K a year over 4 years. In fact, I have residual in the bank at the moment. Once again, with you clones it's all about money and false information. I'll tell you what I told CR- get your facts straight before making idiotic assumptions.

And what do I want handed to me? 7 years of University, 4 of which I paid for every September working 2 jobs? Tell me what I want handed to me again.

and you are quick to assume things. personally, I think you sound like a moron. Perhaps this guy is doing exactly what you suggest already: namely, getting off his ass and doing honest work. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't your whole goal to loaf on scamming people into depositing money, collecting residuals from those below you, alienating your friends, embarrassing your family, and going to bed pretending you're not a lazy, dirty thief? Who needs to be getting off their ass here again?

The problem is most people's mindset towards anything is “Half-ass it and then when it gets too hard, quit.” What is the success rate for entrepreneurs/new business owners in general? I know a lot of failed business owners, and trust me, they lost tens of thousands of dollars (if not more), not just $500. The bottom line is that if you are good at networking and understand this is a long term business investment, then you stand a good chance at making money. If you allow broke, negative, dream crushers to tell you this is a scam just because their grandma's brother's uncle-in-law once did something like this and lost money, then of course you'll be one of the many quiters that loses money. If you eventually feel like its too much work or just not for you, then quit. You are only out less than a thousand bucks all in all, and you can write it off. But don't confuse the reason for your lack of success as being due to ACN being a scam.

Oh Bob… There's no denying that enough hard work will make you money in ACN – the problem is the nature of the business – find me one successful (and sure.. hardworking) person in ACN who did it without scamming a least a few people (down the line.) The business can only work with the majority being scammed – you can tell yourself that these poor scammed people could have made it if only they'd put in some more work, but it doesn't matter! The only way they could have made it big is if they'd stuck it out long enough to have scammed enough people below them. So brag all you want about your hard work.. congratulations.. you put in enough effort to scam enough half-asser's that you made some money.

Hey Traci, How many unprofitable people are there under you? Honestly – let us know. Try to show us the math that would allow for a single ACN member to be profitable without at least one person losing money below them. Or screw the math – try to find us one example. This goes on forever, there really is no way for people to make money without the others losing it. So stop whining about the people who people complain! You need a few of these complainers so that you and a few others can stay profitable.

There's a sucker born every minute.

Very Wrong !!!! I am not in the ACN business but I know the in and out activities of this company. I have my friends and family doing the business and I supported them for what they are doing… they dont scam people nor steal money from you… I did not join the business simply because Its not for me and my family and friends respect that. I introduce them to my clients and all are happy. My clients got a great savings while my parents get the points and residual income… I guess some people just dont have a good people relationship even to thier own family and friends. Just be openminded…

and there u go again the government funded successful teacher???? are u in welfare too??? opps dont answer we know you are… hahaha!

Not to mention people sucking the government money. Huh! Ok ACN people work harder there are alot of people relying on you— on welfare.

FrakLamps might have come on a little strong (although he does accurately describe a good chunk of ACN reps. But Greg, although you might not think your friends and family are scamming others (and I bet they dont think so either) You have to understand that as a rep there is virtually no way to be profitable without having people below you lose money – that's just the way it works. Sure it is possible to make some income from just selling services alone, but look – there is no rep in the black who hasn't had to – knowingly or otherwise – screw a few poeple below them out of their initial investment.

Yeah we want more complainers… keep it comin .. baby…

Poor thing!

“Where else can you do this?”

I'm pretty sure I could make more than $101 in 29 days (a little less than $3.50 a day) selling kool aid to school kids as they get off the school bus at the end of my street! Lol!

Isn't this similar to a Ponzi scheme, where the principal ($499) from new investors is funneled to represent the “profit” to the older investors?

I'd like to know exactly how ACN allegedly makes profit off selling discounted telecom services with major carriers. They claim it's done online, without the overhead of brick and mortar dealers. But I'm skeptical if it's that significant.

free enterprise baby, …this article is very irresponsible and careless…obviously, better articles have been written about ACN in Forbes, Fortune, Inc, Sucess, Success From Home, Direct Selling News. I guess ATT, Verizon, Sprint, Alltel Nextel, T-Mobile, Dish, DirectTV, ADT, Donald Trump, Yale University, the above forementioned 3rd party publications, etc. etc. etc. I guess are all in on the so-called scam. JUST STICK TO YOUR J-O-B AND BE LEVERAGED BY SOMEONE ELSE, I will stick to free enterprise. BTW, would you ever ask the guy in the cubicle how much he gets paid???

“get your facts straight before making idiotic assumptions. ”

LOL, maybe u should take your own advice.

here we go…”And, if I may retort, if the view from where you sit is so pretty, why are you wasting your measly time responding to so-called 'bad-apples' on this thread?” HA AHA HA….LOL

Maybe you should take your own advice.

CORPORATE ORG CHART – so called American Dream

CEO
President
Vice Presidents
Managers, Managers, Managers
Supervisors, Supervisors, Supervisors
YOU YOU YOU YOU not me YOU YOU YOU YOU

kind of like an org chart, huh? came on to be amused at people who “think” they know, and amused I was. peace out…. _V,,,

Your comments/article are Irresponsible, Careless. You have the audacity to ask Mark to 'keep you posted….' and 'All the best!' After reading all this mud slinging, insults, foul language, garbage, etc. from almost ALL of you on both sides….with the exception a few, I want to say this…

to ACN Reps: go to training, learn from the experts in the fields of business, marketing, professional development, personal management DON'T BE DESPERATE and RECRUIT just anyone into your business. You need to turn people away if they can't commit to the rigors of Network Marketing and Personal Growth and if you can't commit to being a true blue business mentor – lower the averages of amatuers, wanna be's, and posers – higher the average of successful professionals in this field of free enterprise.

to all Others: Really??? Why don't you ALL post your success stories in life so the rest of us can learn from you. Better yet why don't you mentor, lead and show us all how you did it so we can have what you have, drive what you drive, live where you live, and do what you do. By the way, please be sure to site all references to back up YOUR findings, research, and due dilligence on ACN, just for the record.

you can make $300 a day doing honest work. You can, in fact, do this in many areas of life, many of which I guarantee are more rewarding than what you think you're doing to 'help' others help you.

what? yes, didn't you hear? teachers are on welfare in Ontario. Dumbass.

Like what 'zee'? I have my personal experiences with ACN reps to go by. Those are realities, my friend, not assumptions at all. Labelling anyone against ACN and other scams as 'bad apples', lazy, or inefficient is, of course, to assume. So to you as well, learn what words actually mean before firing them off in conversation.

Go to the training and learn ask the people that are successfull in the business… dont just read what they post here because they dont know what they are talking about… If you want to be successful you read something about success not reading this kind of articles… its okay to be skeptical but if youre looiking for negative information will you are in the right place. But if you want the positive side go and get yourself a copy of Success magazine or listen to Robert Kiyasaki's teachings he recommended ACN as one of the best Direct Selling Business.. If you want to follow the pack stay in this kind of crowd.. if you want to better yourself find something that you really like to do that would make sense to you… you dont need to be an ACN rep… If your passion is make-up sell Mary Kay or Avon.. if you like energy/vitamin drinks sell Monavie or whatever.. just find something you are passionate about and believe what your doing and you will recieve success… Good luck to you.

A few weeks back my neighbor invited me to go with him a meeting where I would see a business opportunity. I went along and, sure as nuts, ACN. For a while I was kind of convinced, but after arriving back home I did some reading on how it all works.
The problem, for me, is that I am new to Canada – having arrived only six months back. I have still not found employment and my rent and expenses are funded purely from my life savings with which I arrived – in an account with only a diminishing balance.
My network here is still pretty weak and building slowly in the direction of my job search. I am of little value to a network marketing organization and I have NO experience of marketing.
For any ACN person to even consider inviting me to participate is nothing short of opportunistic. I see the action of my neighbor as a blatant attempt just to get his $500 back by any means. He is fully aware that I am not a good prospect and that the only money I have is in my savings account – with NO income and NO employment insurance coming in here. Still he is prepared to persuade me to part with a portion of my savings – with no regard for MY future at all.
I have serious problems with the ethics that I have witnessed in the ACN circus here in Canada and I would advise them to avoid seeking out what they see as the “soft” targets.

Agreed! It was definitely unethical for them to go after you – it was clearly for their gain and not yours.

Unfortunately most ACN reps get brainwashed with the idea that “Every Dud can lead to a Stud” this helps them not feel guilty when trying to recruit people they know won't do well in the business. It's a mantra preached from the top that acts to help the lower people keep on recruiting even when the only prospects are people who would be terrible in the business. They draw from the examples (1 in a million) where a person who you'd expect to be terrible at the business actually does well, or when someone like that recruits someone successful.

I could make $101 dollars just working 5 hours of overtime at my regular job.

It's residual income and as traci business grows her check will get bigger.Traci will come back in a year and shock the hell out of you when she drives by your kool aid stand in her new car!

hahahaha. you people are full on brainwashed idiots. '…as she drives by in her NEW CAR! yeah!'…what is this, the price is right? money is not the key to a successful, holistic life. But I'm talking to brick walls here, aren't I?

Show us your paycheck, you loudmouth. $499,000? More like you're still trying to break even from the initial $499 “investment”.

There are people who are shamelessly rude in their communication, perhaps b/c they are faceless on the internet. These people honestly cannot be offering advice to others whether to get involved in ACN business or not. They dont know and do not have what it takes to be successful in business.From the research I conducted, ACN has a great business model. You get paid not only through the efforts of others (residual income) but also through your personal efforts. Can you imagine AT&T or Bell Canada offering you the opportunity to make up to 10% year after year on the monthly bill of customers that you personally acquire? That is one of the ways of making money in ACN. So you can forget about recruiting others, maybe you are not comfortable with the $500 registration amount, and still make cool dollars.
ACN is for the FEARLESS, COURAGEOUS and those with STRONG WORK ETHICS. Not good for critics, excuse producers and the weak.

Man, lots of these people are more than qualified to give advice on whether or not you should join – they have a far more objective point of view than the rah rah BS leaders trying to convince people to sign up – would-be reps need to see both sides of the coin.

You didn't do enough research.. there are like 3 reps in the history of ACN who ever made it to earning 10% on their customers' bills – you need $10,000 in monthly billing, which although possible, simply does not happen. In fact, breaking even in ACN on customers alone does not happen. Back when I used to attend the stupid saturday events the top reps went through a month long period where they would get people to put their hands up based on how many points they had acquired. About 2 out of 250 would put their hands up when the leader got to 40 points. Odds are those 2 were lying.. Can you imagine?? the comp plan requires you to have 40 points to make the most of your downline income, but nobody does it.

CR…..Give Wesley Watts a break. He just called it like he sees it. is that so wrong? he didn't use her name. The only thing that would make Wesley a chump is if he feels that way about her & never tells her to her face. If I have an opinion about my friend, I will state it openly & to there face. nothing wrong with that.

This is exactly what I asked! I wanna see the numbers….It doesn't add up at first glance. why is there so much on signing up people to do the business & not much on selling the product? Isn't selling the product is where the money would come from?

It just doesn't make sense to put so much focus on signing up new sales people…..I mean, sure….if you become a ACN sales person, you would most likely run your cell phone,Cable & stuff through them….but not every user of the product's ACN sells be doing the business also. For every chief there has to be a bunch of indians. when I look at the amount of sales people that my local verizon wireless store has vs. the amount of verizon customers that use that store for verizon to consider it profitable to have that store in my town…….it doesn't add up while looking at ACN? & yes, people are right, I'm sure you can be successfull at ACN if your'e good at talking to people & self motivated…..but allot of people don't have that personality type & won't be successfull at ACN. Isn't it wrong to feed them a pipe dream & get there $500 & tell them that they can do this when they will most likely fail? you can train people to do allot of things by just having good systems in place. but knowing how to talk to people, having the gift to sell & being self motivated isn't one of them. Your'e either born with it or not. Am I wrong here guys?

this is just sad, especially your kindergarten-esque acronyms. your language is horrible, so I will assume you don't know what 'acronym' means.

dude, im not in this fucking business. wow, your insults and attempts at dialogue just fail and fail further. learn to read first, then come back like a good kid and try your thoughts then.

You could've made your point without being rude. I discount everything you said as a result of your lack of professionalism.

You're a real professional.

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Thanks for the laugh!

Yeah I know who's on welfare… about 95% of ACN reps!

SUCK IT!

you're a loser. and a liar

I am an ACN representaive and have read your article. I do agree with some of what you have written. I have only been in this business for about 4 months now and have not made any money. The reason, because I have not been working the system they have in place. I have taken my time to learn and familiarize myself with all the products. This was done to help my downline so they won't have to take the time to learn everything like I did. I also made the mistake of choosing a leg that didn't want to work. This might be the disadvantage with this business. You might be a hard worker but if you have a business partner that doesn't want to work or expects to make money doing nothing then you'll have a problem. I have also come across other ACN representatives & they are not making money. The reason…they are too busy with their other jobs to put in the time. I don't believe this business is a get rich quick business & was never told this before I signed up. It's a business where the more time & effort you put into it, the more you will get paid. The problem is most people want to make money but are so exhausted from working their other job that they simply don't take the time needed to become successful. I have started to finally put more effort in this business & will be getting paid. That's really what this is all about, you work hard, you get paid! Except you get to be your own boss and set your own goals at your own pace. Try doing that at your job and you'd be fired.

Me and my husband has owned a small business for over 25 years. We started the business

with our money,we did not get a opportunity to receive that money back. We worked really

hard and became pretty successful. I am saying hard work was what was expected from us to

succeed, nothing was just handed to us a silver plate.

I have joined ACN last week, I paid my 499.00 and the following monday I was told I will have

a check for 600.00…not to bad for a couple of days. I got my investment back and made some

money in a couple of days. I have now 6 people with me and another 6 will be added. I know that I have to do the work and I have to maintain my downline. I understand how the structure works and it is the easiest thing ever.

For the customers I have change my phone bill from one carrier that I was paying 46.00 to another which I am now paying 22.00 so yes I made my money back, I saved on my utilities and I thing that shows that ACN does work. I will continue to help anyone in my downline and will not leave anyone hanging. Just like if they were my employees, which in this case they all have the opportunity to make some extra money that they did not have before and they can get their services at a cheaper rate. I am so sorry for anyone that felt like this was a get quick rich plan, you have to do the work just like any other company.

I wish you all a very good day….oh, I will be copying my checks for my downline to see and I will be helping them to get theirs..

Dawn

Used Skype and not as great as the videophone! Plus, with more than 80% of people who still have a home phone, why not get two services for the price of one. Not to mention the savings most people get in the long run swithing from what they have now to the videophone. Just my opinion, but I'd rather listen to a billionaire who recommends this business.

I would think the difference with this opportunity is the fact that you can actually enjoy what your doing. I don't know about you, but I would guess most people don't enjoy their jobs since statistically most heart attacks occur at the beginning of the work week.

hahahaha. are you being serious?

Wow Frank, you sound like your one miserable and unhappy person.

I was researching about ACN, since my girlfriend was sucked in by his brother who is having difficulty getting job due to some valid reasons. She was given $499 waiver, but in 30 days she has to do something, so she got an additional cellphone, a videophone with service and the website costing $100 from the very start, not to mention, she was finishing her cellphone contract, so she got a new andriod phone with service renewal with ACN. So, she has now two cellphones and videophone, whereas one cellphone was more than enough for her, she has two more.

Since she was in amway, i was not understanding why she is fearful of approaching people she knows of, after reading comments in this article, i understand.

It appalled me and more than that, she was relaxing, doing nothing, and visiting around the cities with her leader brother for training, where it was a no brainer to read all this bullcrap.

Since my iphone contract was 2 years up, i asked them to get me a iphone4 and att service service through their ACN, they took sweet month to find out they can't.

His brother made a presentation for me, while i was visiting her and due for catching flight while discussing our personal matters, he jokingly made comment, that if I do not sign up for ACN i cannot see her sister.

We were talking about moving in together, she already had a 15000 debt and on top of it, she was adding this $100 a month shitload, pissed my head off and i wss very upset, which ultimately led to our breakup.

Even then, i sent a contact for videophone her way, they could not handle that.

All in all, peaceful people, work your butt off 8 hrs elsewhere, work more parttime elsewhere, but keep your work shit away from family. Do not mix them up, its total shit.

And smartheads, talking about Subway and McDonalds, dumbasses, they have clear cut demarcated line of business responsibilites and percentage sharing, and they don't thrive on selling subway franchies to family and friends. It is direct between Subway corporation and Subway franchisee. When buy a $10 sub from there, if they make $6 profit, $3 goes to company and $3 to the company, they do not have a pyramid layers and shitting formula's in the layers. I cannot imagine , how much their minds are fucked up, when they compare the company structures with MLM pyramids, really they are shitted up.

After my research on this fucking business, i challenge this top earners and achievers to publish their earnings on their websites, and how much time, money they had put in to achieve that.

People $500 is a big money, even though i earn in very top brackets, i was very skeptical to shell out $500 on some dumbasses words and dreams.

Time i had to listen to this fuckers craps costed me 20-25 hrs of my time, which itself worth of $2500 of my time, not to mention the emotional wreckage it has done on me, I cannot imagine some dumbheads.

I hope Congress gets some strict laws to these networking companies, working by extracting money through the personal relations.

I had never done this shit, and will suggest anyone doing this shit, do not talk this shit to your family and friends, keep millions miles away from them. Since your are buying a franchise for $500, open a shop like a subway, sit there, advertise, and get the real customers, do not prey on your family and friends, they are not your fucking customers, on whom you are leeching to make profit or commissions. Go get a life, do some hard work elsewhere, and

At subway and mcdonalds, you do not pressure your fucking family and friends to come and eat and pay, matter of fact, you do not even charge them, so why the fuck you are charging them $500 dollars and their phone services in your fucking ACN shit. What are you a christian, jew, muslim or satan. Bloodsuckers, rot in hell , with these companies and their founders, and suck thier blood, not your family and friends.

ACN has been an awesome company! I am making over 700 a month with it as well as the rep above me just hit Team Coordinator within 8 months of being a part of the company! The only thing that will make ACN work with someone is if they have GOOD WORK ETHIC! Which so many people these days lack. I love ACN!

After reading this blog, I wish everyone would be mature and respect each person point of view without insulting each other. It’s not helpful to people trying to get information to determine if they want to get into the ACN business or not.
I went to a few ACN meetings; I felt no pressure to join. The people there simply gave me information and answered all my questions. I left without anyone asking me to join. They did ask me if I had any questions they can answer for me.
I do agree that being an ACN rep is not for everyone. If someone is not good at selling and is not business savvy then it’s not something you should get into. I was told by ACN presenter today at a meeting that it take hard work to be successful in this business. Some people can be successful in a few months and others it will take them years. It does all depend on how much time and effort you put into it.
After some long consideration, my friend and I joined today. We talked as a team and determine people that we want to sell services to and people that we want to team up with which could possibly be successful in ACN. I would never want to invite a friend to join that I know would not be successful in ACN. I wouldn’t want them to waste their money and my time if I know they won’t be successful.
Honestly, $500 is not a lot of money to spend to start a business that I could possibly make profit from. (Now will I make any profit or not on the ACN business we will see but I am betting on myself.) I spent more than that on three years gym membership. I am sure I spent more than $500 in my life time on lottery tickets with very very very small chance of winning it big. You take the risk when you try a business.
Anyway, if you are glad you didn’t join and save $500 then great for you. Spend the money on whatever makes you happy. And good luck to those that paid the $500 to be an ACN rep.

very wrong my friend. I love my job and my life. I only came on here to discover what I suspected already: that this ACN thing is pure bullshit. My aim was to get the point across to people like you that I am not interested in this stupid endeavor. You can't even go to a coffee shop anymore without ACN and Primerica vultures circling around. once again, my life is quite fulfilling; in fact, it would be slightly more so if drones like ACN reps got on with it and left the populace alone.

what do you mean? money is the road to all happiness

you win for being the biggest tool on here! why don't you show us with veracity and proof what you've achieved so far? better yet, why not prove that you're someone important and not a drone who will be looking for work elsewhere in less than a year?

4 Doctors? Get out of town! A doctor must be bright in all walks of life? I know 5 doctors in Toronto that just got busted for pedophelia. your point is what?

I'm in a cubicle.. I make close to 80k a year….

I am amazed that people write this information without authenticity of the facts.

I totally agree with the right to freedom of speech, but noy thjis kind!!!!

Since you don't know TD and are not successful in ACN- you may want to hold your personal attacks.

which facts Oliverbonnie you are talking, let me see the your facts and facts until your founders, how much promotion money ACN gives to Donald Trump and atheletes, publish the statistics to the penny and all of you will be rotting, when people see before they are being sucked in.

can you show us the actual earning, checks, bank statements, how much time you and your Team coordinator had to put in this months. Let us know the details and figurres.

Why doesn't AT&T have a site about their integrity like that? They are a worldwide telecommunications company!

yes. and you're an idiot.

I'm gonna call you out right now and say your lying about every figure you just posted. By the way, you sound like a puppet. You are the epitome of an ACN rep, you cant think for yourself so you speak through some other higher up idiot. “Writing on the bathroom walls” “Donald Trump and his team of attorneys”. Keep living a lie, I hope you feel good about yourself…

I suggest you ask a successful businessman outside of ACN if its a good idea. ACN reps will just lie to you because the longer you stay and pay, the more money THEY make. Robert Kiyasaki (who also runs his own scam) is a paid endorser just like Donald Trump. By the way, you ARE following the pack.

I hope you know that the top earners in ACN were PAID to come into the company. Not one of those SVP's started from the bottom. Believe their lies all you want but just remember one thing. YOU my friend are the fool.

And you have invested “hundreds of thousands” on traditional business? If you couldn't turn that into a successful business then you deserve to take your place with the middle class dream world that is ACN.

Can you publish details of your earnings, was it full time or part time, how many hours you had put in, how much money you put down along with $499.

Hey tough guy, if you're doing so well, why the fuck are you wasting yours and everyone elses time reading an article that slams and disowns your business type? I would have thought the successful ones, not the naively optimistic noob, would be off without time to write a novel on this page. But maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe I'm just sarcastic.

Yes my friend. I don't know why the common thought among these idiots is that teachers and other mid -class professionals are on welfare. maybe thats why they don't know what a career actually is.

you go ahead and work those 5 hours….I just had to do the work once and the money keeps rolling in.

I'd just be happy if ACN didn't turn the few reps I know into money hungry fanatics with hard to handle personalities.

My wife lost a lot of closeness with a longtime friend because the ONLY THING the friend wanted to talk about was ACN. We had to take a long break from her because she was damaging the relationship; e.g. asking my wife if she wanted to have a girls night out that turned out to actually be a trick to get her into coming to a pitch meeting. My wife lost a lot of trust in her during that time. That's disgusting, and my wife was looking forward to a fun night on the town.

We're happy for her if she's found a way to make money by herself (her husband is also a rep part-time) but the only thing she talks about is money and new cars. Things that bring temporary happiness. Mercedes, BMWs, and Bentlys are sure fine vehicles but getting so incredibly giddy about them, not because of their fine craftmanship but because it makes them appear cool, is so embarrassing to witness.

Top this off with the friend mentioning recently about just how in debt her family is (that's a NEGATIVE net worth, folks) and is looking to start a debt reduction program.

It's really hard to take someone serious about making money when the person trying to convince me is in over their head in debt, doesn't have a family budget, and spends money without regard. Telling us “look, I know you guys are working to get out of debt right now” [we are] “I think ACN could really help you. I made $5,000 last week!” is insulting.

I don't know. Every real-life example I've seen of ACN reps has been a major letdown and like looking through a thinly veiled attempt at filling an empty hole of sadness with quick money and cars through “hard work”. My job already pays well. My wife is able to stay home with our children and we'll be out of debt in the next 18 months.

Mind you, this is one person. What's unfortunate is the stark commonality of words, phrases, and attitudes of every rep that you come across on websites like this or on Facebook. Maybe my wife's friend is the only one in debt because of some bad mistakes but the sharp defensiveness and obsession with cars is creepy after a while.

Sure, the quick response is “well, ACN isn't for everyone” and that's true. But for god-sakes, lose the douchebag attitdues, ACN.

AMEN

I am going to make this short and simple because I could go on for pages about my dissappointment with ACN, even though I was only in it for 2 months. It is a bunch of bullshit. I not only advise you to never join ACN but to never buy their products. I wouldnt even ask my worst enemy to get involved. That is what I think of ACN. If I was the law I would shut them down this very moment. Peace out!!!

Ohh!! Yaa!! And where do you think all those clients you get and reps you get will goto when 2 years down the road ACN fires you for some technicalty like you didnt get a customer via your socail network. LOL!! bet you dint think of that one….

The short and simple of it is this:

1) ACN is a pyramid scheme, which in turn is a scam or ripoff
2) They promote recruiting others instead of their products or services
3) Of all you people (suckers) involved, less than 1% will make their money back
4) Donald Trump is an idiot (granted, a rich one)
5) You will lose friends, family, and possibly your dog will hate you
6) ACN spends big $$ on their PR to try and maintain a legitimate cover

Here's some free advice. Take the $500 and invest it into a mutual fund, enough said.

Please do your research before joining any MLM structured company, especially ACN.

The vast majority of money you would make from them is from recruiting new reps. That alone should throw up pyramid scheme red flag. The discount on the services they offer are only temporary and will wind up being more expensive eventually ( the classic “bait and switch”)

Your potential customers and recruitment are your friends and family; be prepared to lose that relationship. ACN needs people to fail in order for them to make money, that is part of their business model.

More than 99% of you that attempt this will not make money. Your odds are better in Vegas.

ACN spends a hefty sum every year to protect its reputation. They maintain an excellent rating with the BBB, they pepper blogs to defend themselves, pay dearly for a prominent celebrity (i.e. Donald Trump) to endorse them, overpay a former politician to back them up (Bob Stephan, former AG for Kentucky) legally. They have essentially done a brilliant PR job.

So if you're still considering entering the world of an MLM company just ask the hard questions and make your recruiter backs it up with paperwork, check stubs, tax returns or just some proof that an entry level person like you has the potential to make some money.

In my humble opinion of ACN I would say that they are misleading, distrustful, and very ambiguous. I've attended a meeting and not once did they go into their superior products or services. Their main product is a video phone that was once popular in the mid 90's for a brief time. The services they provide are bought from all the big carriers like Verizon, AT&T, Qwest, and so on. They make nothing but that outdated video phone. Clearly you see how they make their money.

Now if you really want to give it a try, I beg you first to talk to a friend or family that is a business person, such as a banker or lawyer. Be honest, tell them everything and see what they have to say.

So lets not be fools. Save your money. Invest in mutual funds.

While attending college I took a course that educated students on the various marketing tactics people use to lure brainless knitwits into schemes which is why I saw straight through ACN after the first meeting. Once the video was over all I could think of was “wow they used every dirty trick in the book to try to make me believe in this farce.” Just as I was about to repeat that sentiment to my two friends, they turned to face me excited about this new opportunity.

Needless to say our difference in views separated us and we are no longer speaking. But more to the point, since that first meeting, my sister who immediately signed up has burned through her savings. $10 000 gone straight down the drain and is putting herself further in debt by flying out to the conferences with her new buddies.

Is she getting a new experience? Sure.

But that won't make her rich and won't help bring our parents any closer to retirement, a sentiment she professes fiercely every time someone asks her why she's working for ACN.

Furthermore, she only serves to damage her school career and may end up bankrupt therefore losing an additional seven more years ontop of the two she's already wasted.

The most astonishing thing is that regardless of all her loss, she still believes in it. She is convinced that because all her new friends own BMW's and various other cars, she'll eventually own another one too.

FYI you could easily purchase a drug mull BMW off of TRADERS for $5000 and no one would be the wiser.

Reality is that most of these people lack the financial no how, integrity and intelligence to see a charade when it's in front of them. All I can say is that people who are thinking about ACN should educate themselves first and foremost and ask themselves how much are they willing to lose, because I can guarantee that this promise of wealth will leave you not long penniless but friendless as well.

The only thing ACN reps will have to be FEARLESS and COURAGEOUS about is putting ACN on their resume once they realize they've been scammed. By the way, attending mind-washing seminars DOES NOT make you an entrepreneur, nor does it make you “have what it takes to be successful in business”.

I'm sure that billionaire loves collecting his endorsement checks paid by YOU, sir! By the way, I already get 4 services for the price of one; google, skype, yahoo, and iChat. Oh wait, those are FREE.

work once? please elaborate. From what I understand there's both weekly and monthly seminars which you have to pay to attend, you also have to schlep around begging for business to your family. I went to a meeting with 3 people and the man presenting the meeting was a RVP that lived in Ohio! I'm pretty sure if he was making substantial income he wouldn't have flown to my now ex-friends apartment in San Diego to meet with 3 people. ACN is a joke and you are embarrassing your family and friends…

Your last paragraph is a PERFECT example of an ACN rep. A now ex-friend of mine posts things all the time, for instance, “starting my own telecom business was the best decision of my life! I never thought making money could be this easy!” When in fact I know her and her husband are broke, neck deep in debt, and were forced to move into their parents house with their 6 year old son. Sounds like it was a good decision, huh?

ACN is a huge scam! We quit when we had put out about $1500, and glad we only lost THAT much!! Now I can't get them off my back, I even had to change my credit card # to get them to stop charging against it.

They changed all their phone numbers so I couldn't even contact anyone in-person, then today when I finally got another phone number, the rep told me that they had NEVER changed their phone numbers! Oh, do I ever wish I had that e-mail they sent me saying they were changing their numbers!

I have to let my account go into default to get the phone service canceled. I told them I'll be happy to go to small claims court if that's what it takes! My bank didn't hesitate when I wanted to change my credit card number, once they found out it was a MLM company, and I'm sure the judge won't hesitate to rule in my favor either!

scam!!! frk waste of cashh

I have been with ACN for 9 month. Work pretty hard – part time. Making some money (average 300 – 400 a month in bonuses).Steel running my own conventional business for last 15 years. Tired of it and of its instability. I think I deserve better than that. ACN is not for everybody – like any other business or job.(it is an MLM – probably the best of them – but still MLM) If you want to become succesfull in it – be ready to work hard for at least few years, become professional in it and DO NOT LISTEN WHAT OTHERS SAY. THIS IS A MUST !!! Only this way you can succeed in it.Good luck with your life. We deserve the best.

How many hours you devote to ACN, and how much of your own money you had put in for their services, can you give us nine month time and money you put, so we can get an idea what it takes to earn 3-400 a month, will this be a consistent income all the time, if you do not work any more, please enlighten us

First I make $300-400 a month now – which I understand is not much. Will be concentrating now to increase the effectiveness of the business and a better duplication in my team. Building a network takes time. Overall with all the services I am using through ACN it cost me pretty much the same as I was paying before. To get a consistant income you have to rich a higher position but you never competely quit the buseness because you feel responsible for your team and their succes. After all MLM is a 100% teamwork.

regards

seems like a true ACN cult person, let me ask again –
1. how many hours you devote to ACN, and
2. how much of your own money you had put in for their services, before and after joing ACN
3. can you give us nine month time and money you put, so we can get an idea what it takes to earn 3-400 a month,
4. will this be a consistent income all the time, if you do not work any more, you will always be getting 300-400$ a month

You say you're making $3-400 a month off bonuses, which in turn come from signing up new recruits (suckers). You don't mention the residual income or commissions from services provided or products sold.

To make $50,000 off residual income you will need to have a billing volume of $500,000; now say each of your customers bill is $150; that translates to roughly 3334 customers. Unless you have the resources of a major communication network, that's a far stretch for an individual. Don't be thinking ACN will provide the support you need, they don't have it.

I hope you see the only way to make money with this company is to sign up new people and collect their bonuses. That's the simple truth. Just expect to lose friends and family.

And back to those services….They are competitive for the first few months but eventually become more expensive.

And as for your idiotic comment about “not listening to what others say”, that is exactly what you do before getting into another business. Do me a favor; go down and talk to your local banker and see what he/she has to say about MLM businesses and ANC. You're a #1 sucker buddy.

All the clowns that had made claims for ACN earlier must be broke and looking for better work. None seem to ever follow through on their promises to produce raw data backing their claims. As predicted…

Also can you put all the details of your earnings on your acnrep website, and also ask your other acn soldiers to do the same, along with how much each day you had spent on it, and along with how much dollars worth of products and services you switched/purchased through ACN. Let us see totally transparent and become inspired.

Also can you put all the details of your earnings on your acnrep website, and also ask your other acn soldiers to do the same, along with how much TIME each day you had spent on it, and along with how much dollars worth of products and services you switched/purchased through ACN. Let us see totally transparent and become inspired.

These clowns do not know or see through,
1. they are essentially ACN Customers, to the point of buying useless and senseless they do not need
2. spending their own money and TIME (time is called money by wise people) and resources and network and family and friends and relationships everythin, to get more of their own, on the promise of meagre commissions, where as it should have been reverse, ACN getting meagre,

How in the world ACN would not be getting better and fatter, when they have army of clowns working for them 24 by 7, for it, in the dreams of retirement money.
At least, at regular jobs, people work 8 hrs.

yes, i have a few facebook friends im removing because here is a typical daily status: 'helped MR X save 190.00 on his long distance savings per year, and we haven't even TALKED about his internet yet! – Helping others, it never gets old'. I can smell this bullshit a light year away. The fact that all their catchy statuses are so alike tells me that these useless ACN meetings likely plug these suckers into 'looking virtuous' on fucking facebook, of all places. FAIL.

wow u said it right there brother

wow…i think incognito just said it the way it really is.

Any friend or family member for that matter that has started ANC is no longer a friend. As for the family member, he's off my christmas card list. The only thing they want to talk about is ACN and how well they are doing. It got to the point that I was avoiding them at all cost, screening their phone calls and at one point, not answering my door!

Even my cousin (the said family member) would not come clean and show me any check stubs or hard evidence that he was in fact making the money he claimed. Any time I debated with him he would want me to come talk to his recruiter so all my questions could be answered. I told him NO, and show me the MONEY! That's all the proof I need. Needless to say he kept pestering me until I had to ask him to leave me alone. Now it's pretty awkward if I see him at a family function; he still talks loud enough so I can hear him bragging about his success.

It must be in the ACN constitution not to show anyone any proof of money making, most likely because they aren't making anything.

TO ALL YOU ACN EMPLOYEES….FUCK OFF AND LEAVE US ALONE…we have money to make in the real world

So, did you get that cheque for $600? how much are you making now? Let's see some bank deposits from ACN.

Kudos Frank. Hello all. I took a pay cut last year to represent people in a Trade Union after several years of University and a lucrative job. Money is not everything. At some point you have to look at what you have done in life and think “would my children be proud of HOW I earned my living?”

Hard work is the only real way to be successful in life. People who scam see only the dollars, not the pride of having advanced society and our families and our world through real accomplishment. I have friends trying to sign my wife and I up with ACN and we keep saying no, only to have them try to sign us to a five year contract for our services that we already buy. I still fail to see how a middleman can save me money on something that I already pay for, by locking me in for five years, so they make money on what … my signature? Then do nothing for the money? How can anyone be proud of that?

For all those who plug ACN, please, do what you like, but don't try to sell me something that can't be backed by stats, and then on the other hand call people schmucks for believing in “traditional” earnings. Those traditional earnings produced nearly all the wealth that ACN distributes (mainly upward) Don't forget what you are selling are services that people have already worked hard to deliver, from companies who actually do the work, who maintain the networks and create the products. If you are buying into something like ACN you are working within their framework and by their rules, rather than getting your degree, or certifications for skills, or hell … not getting your degree, and working somewhere building or doing something. At ACN you are a leach on an existing system, a parasite, and at some point it will come to an end, and the only people who really profit are those who disappear when the Feds get involved with charges.

ACN'ers talk about a Plan B. I have a plan B. So do my 12,000 union brothers and sisters. It is called a Pension plan, which is protected by law and has over $5 an hour plugging into it for every hour I work. It is invested, and gives an additional 8-15% a year. If you want to retire early, comfortably, and with your honor in tact, do something useful. Build things. Transport people. Get obscure skills and find out who will pay for them. Give value back to this world.

Reality is: ACN promises money for nothing. Maybe even chicks for free, given the video I saw, but it does not ever replace a job. People now are so caught up in not actually WORKING that they believe hype about residual income. What do I believe? I believe I will work another five years, build my next home in the country, and retire on the $100K plus I made by buying, fixing up, and selling homes, which I started five years ago. I put in a whole lot of elbow grease, alienated nobody in the process, and added real value to things that were beneficial to someone else's life.

Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. Teach a man to hoodwink someone else into fishing and giving over the fish, and he will eat for as long as the fisherman is an idiot.

Traci: Harvard and Yale don't teach people about any MLM as an endorsement, but about how they work, much as the UofT school of business teaches about traditional business models, MLMs, and many other money making schemes.

“More people drop out of college than out of ACN?” Stats please? Wouldn't it be better to compare how many people have happy productive lives making money traditionally vs. those who actually make a living at ACN without compromising their integrity? Or maybe it would be better to show that the average ACN person makes less than $2 a month residually.

another talking point from the stupid Mr. Sales video. I've seen it. way to think for yourself.

Warren Buffet didn't pay $500 to become a rep. He bought the whole company because he knows they make money, even though the individual reps don't.

btw,. did you go to yale or harvard? I will wager thats a no. I doubt anyone goes to harvard to study to work for ACN. get a fuckin grip lady. Those you love and care about? How long will they reciprocate once youre through scamming them?

When you buy your business, it is explained where the money is used. There are no secrets. It pays for the 500 accounts payable/receivable personnel and business licenses, and now the ability to purchase electric and natural gas (green) and offer it at a discounted rate. Don't forget the lines they rent for their phones to offer consumers discounted rates. That is what our “buy-in-money” goes toward!

It takes time to build an empire such as ours. We are brokers not scammers. We DO provide legitimate telecom services. The leading companies have come to ACN and asked us to bring them customers.

They can say the exact same thing about JUS. But bring it! I know for a living fact that the products work. Just as sure as I know that the phone, and phone services I have personally signed up for work and save money. We are brokers for the leading telecommunication companies in the world. We provide wireless, phone line, digital phones (VoIP), satellite, and security at discounted prices for our customers.

I do not know where you go for meetings, but ours are free and we learn something new every week. The only meetings that cost anything are the BIG EVENTS, and the cost covers the amount it costs ACN to rent the facilities and such.

AMEN! I am the worst person for selling; however, while I am working hard to get my business customers established, and the money to start coming in, I am rewarded with the knowledge that the customers I do have are saving money BECAUSE of me and ACN. The rewards are endless. Remember this, “God helps those who help themselves!” In my case, helping others save money on the bills they pay every month anyway, is my reward. The bonus will come later when my business builds. Hard? You bet! But the rewards are endless.
God Bless!

It is sad that you do not have God in your life. It must be very lonely. If you did you would not be so negative and hateful.

haha, you are awesome. I wish more of the reps in my downline bought in as hard as you! You have really let us brain wash you nicely You're a little bit too eager, careful not to be one of those crazy advocates who gives our gig a bad name.
And no need make things over-religious, is this a business or a cult?
Keep up the motivation!

First of all, we need to take one of your arguments off the table. Any telecom provider would obviously be in favour of having a massive direct sales force push their products and services. The fact that they do this gives no boost to the viability of ACN as a sustainable business.

ACN absolutely does NOT rent lines or any sort of infrastructure for any of their services – you clearly do not understand how things work. They simply resell the services of others – since they can commit to reselling a lot of them, they are sometimes given a slight discount on some of the services.

Realistically, there is no shame in selling or reselling the telecom services offered by acn. They are top notch and occasionally they can be offered at a discount.

The issue is with the recruiting. If you actually think your $500 does not go to paying bonuses then you are absolutely insane. As has been clearly demonstrated, the vast majority of reps never make their money money back. ACN as a company obviously is brining in a ton of cash from the sign-up fees – to think that they don't pay a lot of it out as bonuses is horrendously naive of you. It's just a business dude, cash flows in, cash flows out. If you want to delude yourself by thinking the profits from singup fees somehow don't get directed to bonus payouts go for it.. it might help you fight the guilt when people in your downline complain that you have wasted their time and money – but don't preach this shit to anyone else – it's a lie and it's part of the reason acn has a bad reputation.

This is great

You think they are teaching us about MLM so that we can go sign up for it? You've been listening to the BS of your upline too much.. hahaha, at our business school (Cornell) they did mention MLM in two courses, but not because they were training us to go sign up for it.. they basically just wanted to teach us how MLM works – they actually spent more time on the scam filled history of the industry than they did talking about it as a viable business model.

Next time an RVP gets on stage and brings up the fact that they teach MLM at Harvard, tell him to sit down and stop conning people into a sketchy business by lying about what they are teaching at University…

My team coordinator was in the corporate medical sales, making a six figure income before he started ACN. When he started making $25,000+ a month with ACN, he fired his employer and is now able to spend all the time he wants with his wife and three children. He and his wife are so awesome, helpful, and honest, that I am very proud to have them teach me how to be successful in life as well as financially happy.

you've convinced yourself of this much. but at least admit the campaigning is terribly lame and very annoying. Primerica all over again.

If you're such the broker then why do you and your beloved company spend most of your time recruiting others? Logic would suggest you would not want all that competition vying for your business. Wake up buddy, you're living in la la land.

Could you please give us an honest answer here: what is your total billing volume to all your telecommunication customers?

This is probably the only post on this forum that totally made perfect sense. Written with absolute respect to both sides of the argument. Is that too much to ask for those who are bashing ACN? Can you not air your opinions without resorting to profanity? Let's all the face the fact there will always be two sides of the coin – in this case, those who are positive and open minded and there are those who are negative. The positive and open minded will always see the glass as half full and of course, the negative will see it as half empty. It may sound like a cliche, but its a fact. For those who are reading the forum, decide for yourself, take the merits of each argument and then decide for yourself – but before you do, please consider your motivations. Discern with absolute care which one will lead and inspire you to be what you want to become in life.

And then there are losers born every 30 seconds. Which is better? Be a sucker and at least get a shot at, no matter how slim, to be successful in life. Or listen to a loser, and not get any chance at all?

Any proof to back up that figure?

You only went to ONE presentation and you were able to see it through??? Such cognitive abilities you have…

Please define the word 'pyramid' – Is it where are a lot of people on the bottom work their ass off and the one getting rich is the guy on top? If you have a job – just take a look at who's getting rich. Welcome to your pyramid.

I tried ACN.. was extremely difficult to convince people to try it out and now I know why. Never made it off the ground, and the “help” is nonsense. If you call your “mentor” with questions, be prepared to leave a lot of unreturned voicemails.

Hey TJ, can you talk about you only, just so you know you do not own ACN, you are not even a shareholder, you are just their clown, they can kick you anytime you do the thing which they do not ask you to do or want you to do or do not bring the recruits or business to them.

So let us know, day by day detail of your daily service you do to ACN and how many pennies you had earned.

1. How many hours you had worked each day since your day 1, include your time watching or showing the ra ra drama's

2. How much money/services you buy from ACN and before ACN how much you were paying

3. Put how much of your own money, gas money, car wear and tear, office stationaries, meeting hosting costs, travel costs, etc each and every money you spent for ACN.

4. How much you had earned so far.

I know I shouldn't be posting this but I am obliged to do so after reading some of your comments. I actually know one of the TOP guys at the ACN on a personal level. I can confirm that he does make income in the high 6 figures. I wont disclose his name for obvious reasons but lets just say he is one of the guys that runs the meetings on a regional and national levels. Anyways, he has built up quite a network in the multi thousands and is very successful. One night out on the town, we were having drinks and talking about our businesses (unrelated) and he admitted to me that this business is ALL ABOUT RECRUITING. It has absolutely nothing to do with excellent phone service or saving customer's money. Besides the people right below him, he said he could care less about any of the “ants under his chain of command” as long as they are recruiting to get that $500 sign up fee. (Now I know this would probably never have come out in a sober state of mind but sometimes the truth comes out when you've had a few). They teach a culture at ACN, not sales and not even recruiting. Once you “understand, know, and feel” the culture, the recruiting happens on its own. Those meetings they have (local, regional, national) have absolutely NOTHING to do with “business” but instead is used as a tool to boost morale and get people pumped up. For all the people who say they are making $, well good for you. It shows the business isn't a complete sham. However, for the amount of time you put in, the relationships you burn, and the pride you lose in talking about other people's success, i would say its not worth it. And to anyone who is thinking about joining, all I can say is “do your homework.” The people at the TOP know from the very beginning that most won't make $$$ in the business and thus the $500 “business set-up fee.”

Funny approach. In any conventional business you are either a boss and make money of somebodies labor or opposite provide labor for your boss. Your choice… The only thing people with your “kind of approach” have to do – is to live of welfare… SORRY

You are right, on this forum, or on their acnrep website, these clowns are not writing their details, hours worked, money spent, how much they are buying from acn itself, nope nothing.

they are just busy in making in money, and shouting out of their lungs that they are making lot of money, where it is, how it is, they do not have time for that.

Yes, it is hard to sell ACN or even Amway or the like but the ones who enter into ACN are destined to failure. Why? Because of ACN? No!!!! They buy into ACN try for a while then sit on their butts and complain. What business can you get into without working at it. When they fail they cry and blame ACN instead of themselves. I feel anyone calling ACN a scam if a crybaby and a failure in society! You wany to talk about scams? How about the politician you elect and gets paid a lot of money, files fails income reports, etc. or a factory worker getting his pension stolen from the company as the CEO's get fat rich while you loose your job!! Fact is you can save a lot of money with ACN and make money depending how hard you want to work or sit on your butt and cry!!! Don't forget the thanks you get for saving money to someone who is on a limited budget and saving a hundred dollars is a lot to them. But then some people thinks its ok to buy from scab companies and foriegn garbage because the save a couple of pennies but ACN is a scam even though they save people or they don't make the big bucks for doing little work. You wonder why our country is sooo screwed up? Read some more of these false hoods and you'll figure it out!!!!

you're such a pussy TJ

Why you don't show and tell us what you are doing and what you are promising which you tell and tell is upline is getting this and that, instead of giving a political lecture, so basically you all in ACN are like crooked politician and greedy CEO's and specializing in telling lies and lies only, why you are scared of talking and walking the facts. you know yourself dearly and then also lying shamelessly.

Hey sec2x, can you talk about you only, just so you know you do not own ACN, you are not even a shareholder, you are just their clown, they can kick you anytime you do the thing which they do not ask you to do or want you to do or do not bring the recruits or business to them.

So let us know, day by day detail of your daily service you do to ACN and how many pennies you had earned.

1. How many hours you had worked each day since your day 1, include your time watching or showing the ra ra drama's

2. How much money/services you buy from ACN and before ACN how much you were paying

3. Put how much of your own money, gas money, car wear and tear, office stationaries, meeting hosting costs, travel costs, etc each and every money you spent for ACN.

4. How much you had earned so far.

ACN sucks and you know it. The business model…recruit recruit recruit…. That alone should tell you one thing…it's a scam, plain and simple. Unfortunately it's a legal scam.

If you're trying to convince us that politicians are liars or CEO's are corrupt than you're a little late, we passed 6th grade. What kind of people do you think run ACN?

I task you to do this; quit your real job at waffle house and go all in towards ACN. Come back in 6 months and tell us how much you're making with ACN. Then tell us how many friends you've lost, then tell us how many family members hate you now, then tell us we were right. Last but not least, try to get your night shift back at waffle house to recover your losses from the wonderful world of ACN.

Best of luck buddy…

ACN is the worst and the biggest scam ever. They are a bunch of dorks who have never been good at anything in their life and scam people with no college degree to go out and beg people to buy video phones. Obviously, it is not legit if people can't tell you why your going somewhere until you get there and say “just trust me.” It is ridiculous. The recruiter tells you that they are goin to have a “millionaire” call you up to talk to you. Should I be impressed that some ACN loser is calling me so I can go work my ass off to give 13 people above me on the pyramid a cut? Lastly, the people I know that make real money and a lot of money usually dont go around telling youthat. Usually. Everyone I know from ACN ( and thank god its only a few losers) just continually runs their mouth about their money and how much they are making. Get a real job. Get some education. Get some dignity. And stop wasting peoples time by inviting them to room 214 at the Ramada Inn.

where is this ramada inn, next time when they invite let's ask them to come with their all the details, log of hours they worked and money they earned so far, so that we can derive their earning per hour.

does anybody know, ACN do criminal and credit checks ?,

if not ask them why.

Next time, beware you are sitting next to them and exposing your children to sex offenders, felons, bandits and bankrupts.

This would be amazing! It would be hilarious to see the response from those reps trying to recruit when we stand up and call them out on their BS. We could also save all the poor naive people just seeing the presentation for the first time. We should think about the organized crashing of ACN recruiting events.

Your spelling and language are ghastly. How do you have ANY credibility here then?

Kevin Moening is a person with no respect with potential clients. He meet my wife trying to sell her on becoming part of ACN and instead he pursued her to have an affair. My wife and I were having marriage problems and Kevin Moening took advantage of the situation and pursued to have an affair with my wife. He uses ACN to prey on women. who ever is thinking of using ACN or doing business with Kevin Moening beware…He is a disgusting person with no respect what so ever for other people. What ever you do dont do business with him…

Your analysis is dead on target. MLM uplines always promote lifestyle rather than product and recruitment rather than sales.

so you are making ACN aprox. 8k per month, do you know where that goes ? In a real company or sales dept , 30% – 50% is normal without any salary . Do they kick you back 4k per month? If so that's a good deal , if not , someone is eating prime rib and someone is eating flank steak .

i have about 6 or 7 friends in ACN and my friends parents are in ACN and they all make $1000 / month and they've only been in it for about 8months… my friends parents actually got the $25000 bonus that they promised and i seen their checks, its legit. you just can't be lazy… and follow the system and it will work out,
why would bell tv, telus mobilty, reliance home comfort (ontario hydro energy), all be involved?
why would donald trump? NHL PLAYERS be part of this company?

people that think it's a scam are honestly dumb as a fucking rock, if you haven't attended a meeting & actually tried , you can't say shit!

of course people love pointing fingers when it doesn't work out, but maybe if you actually did some work it would? omg imagine that, imagine that you actually have to try & get customers & attend meetings.. like wow stupid clueless people piss me off

KT, all I can say is that this company may be on the wrong track, but you obviously need some help yourself. It's like you're drunk or on something when you respond. Your language shows a lack of education and respect for others, and frankly, I wouldn't take advice from you on how to get across the street. You need to learn how to express yourself in a better way. I know nothing about ACN, but the way you talk, you'd think they were responsible for all the problems you have in your life. People have the right to make their own decsions. If they foul up, they foul up. Forgive them and move on. Life is too short for petty things of this sort.

Hey X, why dont you put that on your acnrep website. let us also see.

Bell tv. telus, they give commission to ACN, of which ACN give you a penny, while you do all the work for them at your own cost, infrastructure, time and cost of relations, you dumb.

trump or NHL players advertise for all things, do you buy because they endorse it, they are paid celebrities.

tell these things

. How many hours you had worked each day since your day 1, include your time watching or showing the ra ra drama's

2. How much money/services you buy from ACN and before ACN how much you were paying

3. Put how much of your own money, gas money, car wear and tear, office stationaries, meeting hosting costs, travel costs, etc each and every money you spent for ACN.

4. How much you had earned so far.

Hahaha – what an obvious load of BS from a sad rep depressed about how everyone hates his current interest and the fact that he makes no money..
You think because Jeremy Roenick got roped into ACN is must be a good deal? please (seriously) go into a little more detail on why this affects the viability of the business in any way.
I attended several meetings over the course of 2 years, worked with a team of 30 of us (12 in my downline) and just made it to ETL – I was in better shape than any of our 30 and made nowhere near enough to justify all the expenses and other non-sense that comes along with acn. I think you should stop pointing the fingers, give yourself 2 years and I can guarantee (with about 99% accuracy according to this article haha) you will be out of ACN and resenting it. Good luck

It's safe to say you're the stupid clueless one here buddy. You need to wake up and smell the shit that ACN is selling you. 8 months in and getting a check for $25K? It sounds like your friends parents are lying to you, perhaps to draw you in and make money off you. I'd be willing to bet my house that they didn't get that much money.

I'm not saying you can't make money from ACN, but the way it's done is unethical and just down right wrong. It's almost impossible for the average person to make enough residual income from customers to survive. You'd make more working at McDonalds scrubbing the mcmuffin shit off the toilets. To make money you have to recruit new people and promise them the world. It's a scam, and you're an idiot for buying into it.

One more thing, I would endorse shitty diapers if someone paid me money. Trump is an idiot, he will do anything for money. I bet you he doesnt have a shitty ACN video phone in his office.

Please change your name to Mr. Douche, it sounds better on you.

You say invest in Mutual funds but did you know Financial advisors make 100% commission on Front load and tail ends and rentention, meaning if they just waited for business to walk in, they would go broke even though they spent ” over $1000″ to go through a course and exam for their licence. It doesn't gurantee anything..Only thing is you reap what you sow. Just like ACN, you have to go and get people in. That's it. You're not lifting heavy boxes, standing at a factory line, your using the gift of the gab. However, you need to remember you get what you put into it. Doesnt matter what you do, an effort is needed to e. Everyone wants that rich comfortable lifestyle but no one wants to work for it. Ask every successful person (doesnt matter what industry) , if they sat around and waited for success. What do you think they will say? I'm not with ACN but I'd like to use service and perhaps supplement my income. IF I make money, that's already a bonus

acn is CRAP CRAPCRAP!!!! I was stupid enough to join it! Their phone service sucks!!! Customer care, bull crap, more like customer nazis!!!!!!!!!! I will never support such a scam again. All they are interested in is your money and as soon as they get it, you get cut off!!!!! I will tell everyone I know to stay away from them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dude i tried to work with them but they did nothing to help. Also i set up my phone and was haiving trouble, so i called customer service and they did not help. No one seems to help or give a crap to help. i moved about 14 months ago and gave acn my new address about 4 to 5 times, well that's not enough because they still sent stuff to our old address and canceled our service early without telling us and are charging us for it? WHAT THE HECK!!! They are crap like it or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you're just an idiot. i had something to say, but don't think you'd get it. carry on the bottom of your pyramid Mr. X. 1000 a month? hahahaha. yes, six figures at ACN in 8 months. suck a horse cock moron. And belltv, telus, trump, NHL players? they aren't the ones nagging the SHIT outta me about this shit scam all the time- their employees have lives and are making their money off suckers like your 6 or 7 idiot friends.

Let us know you name and friends parents name and contact details, and your website .some xxx dot acnrep dot com, i would like to join them after you and they show me all the details.

Of course they take a commission, I don't know any that work for free. Please don't compare investing your money in mutual funds and investing your money into ACN. That's just irresponsible of you.

You really seem to be missing the point here. If ACN were in fact legit it would concentrate on selling services and their 1995style video phone. Instead it concentrates on recruiting suckers like you. It takes your $500 start up fee and give most of it to what will be your “upline”. Then you recruit suckers as well (family and friends or loiter around walmart electronic section waiting for more suckers). It's all about the start up fees. You get so little residual income from services you sell it cannot be worth it. Your time alone you invest will most likely never be compensated.

Go to a financial adviser and sit down with him/her and ask them if they should invest in mutual funds or invest in ACN (or any MLM type business). 10 out of 10 will tell you to put money in mutual funds and not to waste your time with ACN.

However, I really hope you waste your time with ACN. You seem have the personality for it. Just give your $500 to them. See if you get it back. If you do, show us proof. We all know this company is built on lying your ass off so we need proof.

Remember, if ACN were a reputable company this blog would not exists. It's here for a reason.

This Slut is so pissed!!! lol why dont you spread those cheddar legs so more you walking std!!

You guys are so smart, this was such a great article, I will definitely take the advice of some random person with hatred in his heart and no understanding of network marketing instead of taking the advice of people like Bill Clinton when he was president endorsing network marketing, Donald Trump, Robert Kiyosaki, and a million more successful people about network marketing. Everyone here that is hating on ACN and network marketing has absolutely no factual information and education about the industry, its like you guys talking about becoming a doctor with the knowledge and education of an elementary student and expecting people to listen.

IF YOU FAILED AND YOU ARE NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO SUCCEED IN LIFE DONT DRAG PEOPLE DOWN WITH YOU.

I do agree with one fact, many people fail in network marketing, but that doesnt mean ANYTHING.

A MAJORITY OF ATHLETES DONT GET INTO HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS, FROM THOSE A VERY SMALL PORTION GET INTO COLLEGE SPORTS, FROM THESE EVEN FEWER GET INTO PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. DOES THAT MEAN NO ONE SHOULD EVER TRY??????? AND IT DOESNT WORK????? YOU GUYS ARE NOT THINKING LOGICALLY.

ANYTHING GREAT IS HARD TO DO AND NOT MANY PEOPLE SUCCEED BECAUSE A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE NOT MEANT FOR GREATNESS.

Agreed, tell first how you succeeded , how much time and money you put into it, post your details on your website, so that people know it.

do not tell gullible people that it's a piece of cake and you make millions doing nothing and living in paradise, while you in game to milk money off from them, not other way round.

It is why people are mad at, fooling and cheating them, give us the actual facts.

When we will do the math, after people have been screwed and screwed they find that, working at walmart or mcdonald's was far from better, at least they do not have to be in debt to satisfy the few successful vultures.

Post your details, if you like to talk straight, do not give all these crap from pulpit.

dude i sell service into the us army, so i know sells and my product produces something good not faulty products and poor customer service. i give a crap about the people who join through me to serve this great country we call the USA, thats why people continue to join through me to this day. i offer great service, care for the people i put in and not just say it but live it. i got a bunch of words that's it, the service sucks!!!! i never received help from acn customer service when i called, nope no one helped! so for me they suck, suck and SUCK some more and they will have bad word of moth in my area. people are all ready talking out here that acn sucks butt!! i dont care what donald trump say, crap he can have a good business but can't keep a wife, so who cares what that what thet heck he has to say. i will let all know, DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY ON ACN CAUSE THEY REALLY DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT YOU AFTER YOU JOIN THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!! again ACN SUCKS BUTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Besides Multilevel Marketing do you know what MLM also stands for?? Multilevel Moron, like you. Don't think for one second that Donald Trump made his fortune by network marketing. He made it in real estate. He is a paid endorser of ACN and it's pretty well known the Don will do anything for money.

ACN is intentionally deceptive, plain and simple. Argue that all you want but just remember…you're wrong.

If you truly believe that the majority of people are not meant for greatness then you must include yourself in there.

Bill Clinton is a dirty ex-Pres, guilty of a number of crimes against humanity. Donald Trump makes more money putting his name behind ACN (as if he needs ACN to rely on). Versus: those that know this is a pile of shit. Millions of successful people? Funny, I know of none through ACN that are. Where do you hide them? Great role models, by the way.

hey i now this family that son in law is represtative and got them in to this mest how do i go abot telling them?

im an acn representative and i pay the starting up fee for the people below me because if they fail i dont wont them to louse their money bacause of something that i sugested. and for the representatives that pull out theirs no loss they dont louse any money if anything they have an intresting oportunity to think outside of the box and make some extra money i pay for the seminars i pay for everything that my team needs to get started and if they do the work they have the opportunity to get out of dept or pay for their childs education, medical expenses so please do not say that acn representatives are money hungry clones,

Please post your name and your website, let all know you.

If you are so confident about ACN, why ACN is not confident about itself. There will be several people looking to join it.

Again, truth from a ACN fellow never, they are full of actors and liars.

why would i post my detals on a public blog i might be young but im not stupid for the record before i joined acn i did my own reserched asked my mentors everything that i though was not adding up i met with Jeremy Roenick and picked his brains about the company and untill everyone taled me what i needed to hear i did not join i than decided that if i was not gonna pay the start up fee when they were asking me to sighn up why should the representatives i recruit so in coclusion im happy have enough money to survive dont need fancy cars houses material stuff are not important to me the most revoding feeling about acn is that i can help people out and teach them what i have learnt if they dont wont to hear it than i have no problem with it i only recruit people that are 100% commited and dont even ask the ifs buts and maybes because everyone knows if you but and maybe abut an oportunity its gona pass you by

Very smart, dude. If you are so smart and confident, that you do not want more and more people to join under you, and not bold enough to stand up openly, go to jeremy roenick and beg for money to write for him. You guys have no spine and no shame in telling and spreading lies.

Tell me your name here and i will join you , and so do many people , if you are paying $499 for them.

Instead of paying for start up fees, why don't you pay for an English class for yourself? If you want to look or sound credible you need to use punctuation. Your credibility as a successful ACN rep is 0 in my book.

Google translate hates you….

It's too bad that all of you are throwing Mr. X to the wolves. This business is all about getting out of it what you actually put into it, just like any other business. My wife started ACN a little over a month ago and will become an ETL in a matter of weeks. Her upline is an amazing group of people who are achieving success exponentially every month and have been able to quit their jobs, (an acronym for Just Over Broke.) You just have to have faith in what God will do for you and what you truly can achieve. ACN is a company designed for people who want to be self-employed or business owners, not employees. And every business owner or self-employed person knows that it takes faith, hard work and confidence to make that business succeed. You can't get something from nothing. Successful people are not the ones sitting in a cubicle depending upon their “job security.” The most secure place a person could be is in prison. I owned a successful business for 7 years and had to leave the venue where the business was run due to the “state of the economy.” Since that time, I had gotten back into the “9-5″ rat race and was barely able to keep my head above water financially, struggling to feed my family while working 60 hours a week. I was working to provide the fruit for another man's dream while never being able to enjoy a meal with my family. I thank God for the opportunity that ACN is providing for me and my family as I am joining my wife in this exciting venture.

ACN…is the biggest waste of time if you do not want to have family friends and anything positive in your life.

i have two friends that gpt involed into ACN because of two strippers. they took my friends home fucked them and then started to convince them that acn was a good idea. it was a giant waste of time and their money. ANYONE who decides to join is a fucking idiot…give me your $500 i will got to a casino and you have better odds on making money there. FACT… FUCK ACN!

So now they have strippers also, after sex offenders and bankrupts, certainly donald trump is a greedy sucker, seems like this company is all about swindling money at all cost.

Been in ACN for exactly a year, just turned 20 and loving it! making some great money looking at around $2500/month in cash, you just have to work had at and follow the system, anyone who says it's a scam who cares move onto someone who has the same desire as you. Also how people say it's a pyramid scam one of ACN's lawyer's wrote that act of what a scam is considered as and now he's our lawyer, pretty sure he wouldn't be out lawyer if we were a scam. Think about it.

Can you believe this company called ACN, has sales people like Randy Taft, A CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER,
read here his details at,
courts of neces county texas site or corpus christi

He and his hispanic family tries to phrase that he is an innocent man, in contempt of court.

This family which had been fed on WELFARE, which some call as “WHITE TRASH”,
and it is heard that their 20 year old mother from interior Guatemala married the 60 year old WHITE MAN
to get a green card and life of luxury, but this man was also very smart, he produced several kids before
he got her on this land.

Forward these to all women and families with children, to be aware of who they are around,
and check him at – randytaft dot acnrep dot com

Are you talking about the money you are making for yourself or the money you are making for your CEO…….if for yourself, you can keep lying to yourself in the mirror, no one believes evils and liar foot soldiers of ACN.

Very good ACN , what else your people do than rapists, kill women and children, steal, embezzlement, forgery.

My good friend convinced me to “come over for some drink and to watch a cool presentation tonight” that she was “so excited about.” Letting my imagination run wild, I showed up at her house expecting a Passion party or at least an Avon event. What I got instead was a pathetically overdressed twenty-six year old man making a presentation which consisted of overused phrases such as “everytime your phone goes ring-ring mine goes cha-ching”. I mean, he met Donald Trump and yet here he was, talking to nine twenty year-olds in a grungy basement on a Thursday night? I know the clips of unnecessarily exciting business meetings that seem like movie previews, or photos of billionaires in forbes magazines are very appealing but please, don't fall for it. If something seems too good to be true, it usually is.

Seems like ACN is a dangerous company to work for, if they criminals on their payroll.

Thank you all for posting about this, i was brainwashed and about to join this company,
but, reading about the criminals made me puke at them.

I just have one question. If this company is so great and the opportunity is so tremendous, then tell me why all the technicians and customer service and support staff just don't abandon their jobs with ACN and jump on the bandwagon? Why does ACN still employ “peons”?

Very good point, these suckers get anybody on board and then sell the dream of millions, while they have janitors, admins. peons, support people on their ship serving the so-called millionaire retirees on board. Liars Liars and Liars.

The sad reality is that this article spins a twisted truth. Acn provides a legit business model that is based on revenue generated by both business and residential services, bills 98% of us will pay for a lifetime.In the acn marketing plan, by building a sales force and creating leverage through a distribution network anyone can redirect a portion of these revenues and build a passive income. The bonus payouts from the $499 will fuel the growth of the distribution network, making it profitable for the players to learn the system and drive this business. Many that get involved will not have the ability to recruit more then two people and will eventually get cut of from bonuses in this marketing plan. At this point they will be faced with choices, become better: engage in personal growth and development, have long term thinking and embark on the business owners journey of adversity, challenge and uncertainty…..or quit. The fact is that 97% of society is employee minded and will choose to quit. This article tells you all the truth, that most will not have success, but it paints a picture that the business model is flawed, when actually its people that are flawed. We live in a society where we are brainwashed from a young age to go to school and get a job, our entire school system was created to mold the skills and thinking of a workforce. The wealthy make up only 3% of society the other 97% will retire needing another job or government assistance to live. The 3% that will retire well off, will be made up of investors and business owners period. The consumers will continue to be fleeced, paying interest to own any thing of significant value, high taxes on significant wages, victims to a system where inflation and cost of living exceeds the amount of time you have to trade for money. Business ownership is the only way out and a company like acn provides that vehicle. However most people will convince themselves opportunity doesn't exist or at least that they are incapable of seizing opportunity. In closing this article was only written to attract the 97% of people that look at a business opportunity and are scared to death, searching for an excuse or a reason not to take a risk or make a change. Driving those individuals here to this site hoping you click on an add and be the consumer that you are rather then become financially free.

Mr 3%, nice lecture, now tell us about yourself upfront, how much you are making from ACN , and till date your time invested and money you spent of your own on ACN services and other activities like office expenses, flying to so called training places, car, etc.

And then, let the 97% decide what they want, are they ready to do the things what you Mr 3% has been doing and how many damage you took on family and friends,

Also, put your acnrep dot com site here.

and certify that you are not criminals, drug cleared, good credit history, no abuser, no rapist, etc.

Then dare to talk to 97% whom you are shamelessly giving lecture and targetiing their money.

Next time ask these pathetic ACN guys to have their criminal and credit record handy, before doing their ching ming, ass holes.

unbelievable , ACN is a hell company, no regards for women and children, they have rapists on their roll.

This fellow Randy Christian Taft should be the mascot of the ACN, which will go to any levels, and he should be stripped of being called ‘Christian’ after committing such a heinous crime.

Who he sells to, buddies in prison, who must have given him good lessons on rape ?

God knows, why all hispanic women are after White men, it seems it is in their ass mind that they are rich, where many of them are barely able to take care of themselves. They could not find a proper latino man that they will freaking marry any white asshole.

I cannot wait for Republicans to capture Senate and White House soon, that they can kick ass on the sham marriages for green cards and turning this country into a sink hole ghetto, and get the Immigration fixed,

And stop the tap on welfare.

We work our ass off while last fat asses sit and enjoy the big government charity funded by our hard earned tax dollars.

You are lucky, it's only your cousin so you can avoid him at all costs. I constantly have to listen about all of the ACN bull from my partner discussed in our home. Though I have told him over and over that I do no wish to hear about ACN, it doesn't seem to sink in. NO BRAIN-probably why he got himself involved with ACN in the first place. As you say, I here about all this big money that he is supposed to be making, but unfortunately have not seen a red cent. The only thing I have seen is the bills to keep this so-called business running. I'm hoping that one day in the very near future the “LIGHT” will come on and he will smarten up and give this crap up as a “lost cause”. It has ruined our so-called marriage and I am leaving him. ACN is for daydreamers hoping for the big hit. All they see is $$$$ signs when in reality it is a bigt fat ZERO.

@Prospectus:

Financial advisors do *not* make 100% commission on Front-End Load and Back-End Load and Retention. If they did, that would be called a Ponzi scheme, where they take your money and run. They don't. They earn trailer commissions, and there is an upfront commission on Back-End Load funds (which they only get because their trailer commissions are lower on Back-End Funds). Front-End load funds provide a commission to the advisor, but the front-end load is almost always negotiable. Since the advisor gets the full trailer commission on the funds, he is sometimes willing to make the Front-End load = zero.

Go read your prospectus, Prospectus.

Wow, your caps lock definitely made you a lot more credible…. moron!

This is such a scam. I had a friend invite me to a meeting under the premise he wanted me to give him some advice on a great business opportunity he was considering. He would only say it was for this new technology and being in a technology based business myself I was somewhat intrigued. When I arrived to find 20 other people at the 'party' I instantly knew something was up. When this John Melton (I believe that was his name) wouldn't even give me the name of the company during phone conversations prior to the meeting I should have seen the red flags go up. This John guy basically admitted he has 16,000 people under him and he makes $800,000 a year and has only ever sold 40 accounts. He admitted he doesn't even know how the video phone works!!!! How can this scumbag and his stupid bubbleheaded bleach blonde wife sleep at night? When Google automatically puts the word 'scam' behind ACN when you enter it as a search you know there is a problem. The meting and the phone calls are all perfectly scripted (but not acted out very well) with planted success stories mingling in the audience. Example; 'Hey Tim, how long have you been a part of ACN? Well John, I've only been with the company 6 weeks and have already received a residual check for $7,000″ Really??? On a couple of cell phone contracts and maybe a cable subscription?? Give me a break losers. The next day when my friend informed John that I was not interested in being a crook this John guy bombarded me with e-mails, phone calls, and text messages from himself and other ACN crimminals saying 'don't believe everything you read on the internet. Don't be foolish and miss out on the opportunity to be a millionaire'. This moron has balls the size of a small pumpkin! Trust me people, this article is spot on accurate. If you want to disconnect yourself from friends and family members go for the ACN scam. Everyone you know and love will hate you and never trust you again. You will live the rest of your life knowing you traded your dignity to make a couple of predatory, white-collar, slick talking crimminals rich. God bless this website for devoting space to expose these a-holes. You know who you are John Melton from Maryland with your fancy clothes and your Bentley. If I accidently end up in hell I'm sure I'll see you there.

I just left a sales pitch for ACN. I was invited by a personal friend. The representative put on a

very polished demonstration featuring the video phone. This was the most polished and least

informative sales pitch for a pyrimid scheme I have ever heard. I sincerely hope that most

are not taken in by this.

L.H. in Georgia

they could be plants from ACN, I suspect more than a few are.

if it is so excellent, why the derision for those who choose to stay away from it, or slander it? is it because some may read this blog perhaps, and wise up and see, the only way to get people to join is by hoaxing them into thinking that they aren't going to get ripped off?

you understand you belong to a cult right?

because, they are bound by rules and they seem to love what they do.

Was it that scumbag crook John Melton? If it was I'm sure you've received twenty phone calls, text messages, and e-mails from some of the other ACN crimminals chasing after your $499. Oh, and then you can attend the national conference for an additional $150. For what? To hear how rich they are all getting from $499 a sucker. Anyone on this website that is defending ACN deserve to get taken by this scam. Try getting a real job or starting a real company with some value to society. Don't spend your life ripping off your friends and family members. Morons.

I LIKE HOW YOU USE BIG LETTERS TO MAKE YOUR POINT SO DRAMATIC AND CREDIBLE. I'm sure you are doing well with ACN you stupid moron. Quit lying to yourself and other.

was he a criminal, sex offender, drug dealer, please ask this everytime you see a acn man or women. most of them are.

He must be getting that 7000 from selling drugs at ACN meetings or conventions (which they lie as trainings) or stealing from the home he was visiting for ACN, and then attacking women…a criminal sex offender.

bound by the rules of criminals, drug dealers, and sex offenders like Randy Taft

Truth realy hurts…you must be the one that never succeeds at anything because you have never tried… “FEAR” is a horrible thing and calling people names certainly speaks volumes about you and your education!!!

My sister tried very hard to get me to drink the ANC coolaid I knew I wanted no part of a MLM scheme — Finally I broke down and simply ordered a phone for the service to appease her and end the conversation about selling the service (if you want to call it that) . When I got the phone I had technical issues, I talked with their tech support, tried a few suggestions, decided I never wanted it in the first place and was unwilling to spend any more time trying to get it to work or to completely reconfigure my home network to try to get ti to work. I called for a return authorization and was told that my 3 day cancellation period started when they shipped the phone to me. (It arrived 4 days after shipping) And unless I continued to work with tech support they were not going to give me a return authorization. I have contested this with my credit card company and it is still being contested. They keep sending me bills for my “service” and are threatening to send me to collections and report me to the credit bureaus. In my opinion their bogus 3 day cancellation policy is fraud. If anyone, even a family member mentions ANC to you RUN as fast as you can in the opposite direction.

I have been an independent representative with ACN for about six months.. Ive also been a business owner for ten years.. Seeing what works and what doesnt is what I do.. Hard work is what I was taught growing up, you get out what you put in.. I put in my $500 and got it all back then some.. A few of my friends laughed when I signed up but now they are asking me questions about the business.. Alot of people are not self driven, its a very unmotivated world but for those of us who are; will succeed.. Good points their truth speaker, it just comes down to if you got what it takes to make it.. Not just in ACN but in any job that is not a punch in punch out 9-5.. thanks

And how did you made the money, can you post all the details here, and your name and your shitty website, so we lazzy asses can understand your hard work. None of your preacher group are posting their names with their tall claims, so why are you hiding in a veil, are you also a sex offender like Randy taft

You need to tell your sister, that their are sex offenders in her company and they are rubbing shoulders with her in those ra ra trainings and house meeting.

They have contracts with these service providers to sell their products, but dont advertise.. Thats where the money is saved.. The new rep fee goes towards bonuses which are available to all reps; also goes toward new contracts with new providers in the future.. They are basically a middle man for these big companys.. Im just a guy so take my word or dont but thats the break down.. thanks

Congratulations on having enough self drive to screw some less-driven individuals out of their $500 so that you could finally make yours back. Really good work… moron

I made my money back by signing up my two friends and getting 15 points myself, which means i sold contracts like cell phone and satellite tv to those who were up for renewal or wanted to upgrade their services.. Them in turn after getting my investment back
I helped my friends do the same.. So on and so fourth.. The reason; I am sure no one is posting their names and sites are probably to protect themselves from the hate and negative energy this site is creating.. The people here talking about what ACN is all about are out to discredit the company and those who are involved.. So that people like you who come off swearing, bashing and calling people names like sex offender cant go further into their lives and make a bigger mess.. If I can ask a question in hopes you return with an answer in a civil and less rude way; what is your basis for the ACN bashing? Were you involved and did not have a good upline leader or are you using everyone elses bashing to just start a fight? Im not looking for a fight because I know what Im into and whats working; Im just asking what the reasoning is behind the slander and hate.. Hoping for a calm return.. -tom

No i am looking for a bold and honest answer, which if you can provide. Else don't lie around and create trouble in people's lives, by squeezing on their relations. You want to sell, no problem, open a shop, not sell to your family and friends, rather i say, to pressure them, emotional blackmail and creating ruckus in their lives.

And do not give me your BS of not posting your name, why you have a website, if someone needs to hate ACN, their and several reps like you have website.

So let us point and point details timeline, your earnings, your expenses, your time invested, if you want to civility, give honest and bold answers. Since you lie, you are scared, because you are afraid. What if you open a shop, you are afraid to sit in there, becuase people will come and beat your up. Don't be a coward, and yes you can check, that fellow is a Rapist. Are you also, what is criminal, drug and credit background. You are looking for business, tell us the details of your business, as in black and white to all.

That;s right ..truth really hurts Agnes, that is why you sit, work and do business with sex offenders.

its all on your work ethic they have a billon in rev in a trillion industry its all on you dont go by the bathroom wall if you have drive and want to talk for a business a c n is for you and me i love a c n 2 years running my first month my wife and i made over 6k yes we did not get the $till the end of the next month but we did make awesome money and still are you just have to work so stop complaining and get paid with a c n

you have no clue what you are talking about the ppl you talk to are liers that dont make a c n bad just your friends do some real reserch im not a jerk and i have integrity if you worked with good ppl like i am and have been for 2 years then you would feel dif your a product of your invirement the only dif from now and five years from now are the ppl you suround your self with and the books you read please do some reading ypou need personal growth everyone does and learn mlm you sound dumb lisening to a idiot that would lie about how much they made

Are you a religious person?

Are you telling us about your business, your earnings, your expenses, and your credit, criminial and drug history.

and how much you spend on acn 12k.

real deal tell us what is your acnrep website, and what is your criminal, credit and drug history

Are you a religious person.

Im just wondering if you believe in something that may or may not be real? Because if your a religious person, someone who goes to church every sunday and gives your money to the church you can be getting scammed.. There is more proof that ACN is real than jesus being real.. Think about it, a book is all we got to believe in.. I believe in God, I believe in alot of things.. I trust and care.. Thats me, just wondering if you put yourself out there enough to trust or just shut out every possibility that there might be something greater than what you think and believe..

So that's how fool the people and rob them of their money, play with the relations and faith, and empty their pockets. I am asking you to give the facts and you are a master liar of ACN, entangling in something else, you can as much you want, when you yourself know inside, now your ego is not letting you acknowledge that you are being screwed in ACN, well you do not have endless money, ACN will clean and wipe you , and kick your ass and throw you on the footpath, You will certainly be very happy to put your website details, your name and your day by day log of the ACN here, keep on lying but you can not hide from yourself and save your balooney for yourself.

It is highly likely that you have some CRIMINAL RECORD,credit record or drug record.

you speak as a real disillusioned loser..bet you got nothing nice to say about school or your upbringing, yur family or your neighbours…..did they rip you off also>>>??? Can you please reply and tell the world what you do for a living..what your goals and aspirations are ???have you done any self development ?? or do you wallow in the trenches with the self pitying whining negative 95 %ers ??you need to read and self develop before criticising what you don't understand…get educated with life then come back and reply..athe self development and daily personal growth in character cannot be measured in $$$$ it is priceless…. weekrnd and weekly self development seminars can cost up to $10,000… none of these compare to the personal growth and personality and character development of plugging in daily to the acn system…most of our leaders are christian minded people with strong christian values, wuth the goal to help others and share the success they have earnt..rub shoulders with them daily and their majic does rub off..just ask closest family members how x……… has changed since being in acn..you cannot put a price on self development and positive mindset…acn does NOT promise to be a get rich scheme…we are a get rich SLOW scheme and say as much at all our presentations…residual income is the slow starting but like all things in life..you get out what you put in..build a strong foundation, plug into the system and and i promise you will succeed in acn…it is not for losers, the weak hearted or for whiners…the cream soon rises to the top…truth speaker above is obviously oozing with low self esteem, negativity and hatred of anybody or anything in life that is positive , loving and rewarding..'scumbag' and 'bubble headed beach blond'.How ironic….'truth speaker' needs acn more then he/she realizes..and maybe a little bit of religion and spirituality..to ease the hatred..how is your world 'truth speaker'?? are you happy and excited about your future ??? or depressed ??/take another look at acn it can turn your life around..
happy acn rep..tom mack

thankyou rem spoken like a true misinformed loser…do your homework before you throw stones..maybe read your bible and see what jesus said about stone throwers…acn is a company of integrity and will build weak characters, to become strong ..maybe even yours,..please take another look at acn rem and research before you shoot off your mouth from an empty barrell
tom mack acn rep

truth speaker can you tell us how long you were involved with acn to be such an expert ??? one hour 1 day 1 month ??please enlighten us as to your source of knowledge ?? and obvious inexpertise ???

tom mack acn rep

Tom mack, check your buddy Randy Taft and his criminal record, he is a rapist, that's would you do, eat shit with your mouth. that is your and your ACN character and integrity. What's your record, criminal, bankrupt, screwed credit history or some drugs.

most of our leaders are christian minded people—–are they like those pastors, molesting kids…

character development ————— what is your criminal character, like your Buddy Randy Taft, a rapist.

You obviously don't need to learn real grammar or sentence form to work their either.

**there

See, your crappy English is messing me up.

LOL.

Invirement.

Maybe ACN and Lightyear Wireless are tied together – both rip you off with their scams

ACN seems like this other company in my area, National Home Services, they both seem to be scams designed to get you to sign up a couple people then have you quit from the stress, but thats how sales go, not everyone is a salesman, so not everyone can make a ton of money in that industry, but if your naturally gifted in sales, and a hard worker I believe you CAN make a good living out of it.

But I got my $500 back in less than a month. I joined Oct. 3rd. and became an ETT on Oct. 16th. The check was dated Oct. 21st. All I knew is this – ACN is not for someone who waited for things to happen and too lazy to do the hard work. But I am willing to do what it takes to realize my dream.

Of course you make no guarantee about the quality and accuracies of your articles, all a big clump of shit this site is lol.

You sound like one of those annoying moron customers that all normal businesses hate to work with lol.

LOL you sound like one of those training guys. See their you go again trying to scam people into this.

Do you even come close to understanding the concept of a Ponzi scheme? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

You know the funniest thing here is that every post by an ACN believer (or their shills, and just like in Scamway/Quixtar, there are company shills posting here and on other MLM sites) matches almost word for word (or at the very least, argument for counter argument) postings by other believers of ever other MLM scam out there. Do this experiment; keep this page open and then look around here for other MLM's, open those pages and compare the believers verbiage side by side. Clones! Every argument they have for their MLM matches if not word for word, idea for idea the posts here. It is funny and a bit sad.

BTW ACN clones, look up the definition of a Ponzi Scheme. ACN is a classic Ponzi with a nice cover and pretty window dressing (Trump et al).

I guess I don't understand what all the hubbub is about, and I've really tried. As it goes a person signs on with ACN or any other Multi Level Marketing system then goes out gets a few customers and then looks for others that want to do the same. What's wrong with that? It just so happens that practically every human being above the age of 8 uses some form of communication device. It also just so happens that wireless companies are making huge dollars providing this service so what's wrong with getting a piece of that action. Seems harmless to me.

Obviously you do not understand what a ponzi scheme is

Dude what is your problem?

I don't know and don't care who this Taft guy is.

I signed up spent the $500 and had it back in three weeks in the bonuses they have. So I am in for $0 at this point. It is a tough sell and some reps do try to blow smoke up your ass. But at the end of the day my Electric bill, Phone bill, internet and Sat are all cheaper now so that is a win in my book.

ACN Clone you do not understand what a criminal, felon, bankrupts and sex offenders are, because it is what you are and your buddies are.

Also these peoples are criminals, felons, sex offenders to begin with.

because you are a sex offender, criminal drugist ACN salesman.

Hey Tom mack, look at your salesman Randy Taft, a convicted sex offender, before you open your mouth full of shit.

What is your problem, cloner, are you a sex offender, criminal, bank rupt.

hey tom mack, why don't you post your details on your filthy acnrep dot com website, and also put their your criminal, credit and drug history.

Can somebody answer my question? okay so i gave these ppl my money like two days ago, and they said that i have ten days to change my mind and get a full refund…is that true or is that bullshit too??? cuz from the comments that i read so far, im just about ready to beat the shit out of somebody!!

I have one word for anyone considering this….SKYPE…..

That is 100% true man. Despite all the scammy stuff, they will totally give you your cash back in the first 10 days. Give them a call ASAP if you would like a refund.

I am not in any MLM at present but after reading some of your coments I think it may be for me after all.. I know for sure what your doing, thinking and saying is not for me. In fact I will even look at ACN. I have been in business for 40 + years and would fire someone with your attitude.

I am still not in ACN but will look for someone to show it to me. Sounds like the way to go if your not for it. A financial adviser is a sure way to lose money and they are a dime a dozen. I have personaly had 3 of them that checked out fine but were a bust. They cost me Thousands of dollars. Your advise here is wrong also. Now that I handle all my investments myself I have been doing very well. Thanks but NO thanks primeover.

Very well put. I am not in ACN but if I were I hope I would be WORKING with someone like you. I like the way you Think. I have also been down the same path as you when it comes to franchise's.

Thank you!! greatly appreciate it!!

why do you care, whether ACN is full of felon , criminals and sex offenders, are you also…and why you do not post your name and details and earnings on your acnrep website….you are the only clone left who thinks can lie and people believe his shit.

you get a fraction of a penny, after investing several dollars of time and money…. it is harmless for you to tell lies and cheat people…..do you have clean criminal record.

yes DCman, what are you a criminal, bankrupt or sex offender

what happens, is crime, bankruptcy and raping not paying enough for ACN salesman…..ask Randy Taft

I have been in ACN since August 2010 and I have made approx. 3200.00 I have not yet received any residual, but I do believe it si around the corner.

Very true. I got my 400 (that is what it was when I joined) and have received 2800 since then. So I have been in for a little over 3 months. I love ACN. I am about to go to Sand Diego in a few weeks. I am pumped!

I am in ACN and the people you meet are great!! I have been in the business for 2 months and recieved my first bonus. all the people on here that are talking negative are quitters in life and 95 percent of them will work a 9 to 5 until the day they die!! you keep doing that…..that is your personal business but do not bring others down!

then why are you recruiting the people who work 9 to 5 and tell them it is a part time shit, read your own acn website, before you open your mouth and let the shit fly

HELLO IM NEW TO ACN AND I WILL BE GOIN TO SAN DIEGO TO MY SELF

what are the simple ways to do that

You better pick up a book. It's called a dictionary.

Tom Mack. I own a company that publishes security software for schools. It is designed to keep sex offenders and parents with custody issues away from children. It's very rewarding and I'm making a very nice honest living. My career and my product has a value to society. We protect children. What value does ACN bring to the table??? Ripping friends and family members off $499 at a time. Every time I see a child disappear or hear of a kid getting molested and ending up dead in a landfill my personal growth gets stronger and stronger because I care about helpless chidren who are vulnerable to predators. I don't need to go to useless 'self development' seminars. I have a purpose in life and I'm following it. All you ACN supporters are so brainwashed into believing you are up to something good, but you are all lying to yourselves. You and your stupid multi-level marketing plan have no value to anyone except the guys that are sitting at the top of the pyramid. Quit spending your time deceiving dimwits who think they are all going to get rich and go out and do something that will actually benefit someone loser. Oh, and I do have alot of negativity and hatred because I'm sick and tired of predators like you preying on the weak and vulnerable in this world.

Agnes, they never told me I should not call people names when they handed me my masters degree in journalism. Maybe I should enroll in some night classes or a 'personal growth seminar' like Tom Mack suggested. Tom Mack, I was involved with ACN for a whopping 15 minutes before I got up and walked out of the presentation. You don't need much of an education to realize this is nothing more than a pyramind scheme.

Just a quick observation: Your post has a lot of content that seems to come out of left field. You really didn't respond to anything he said in his post. You made a lot of assumptions about his character with no basis what-so-ever. And because of what, he didn't want to join ACN and was upset when he got harassed by someone after he said no?

From my experience we tend to get passionate and defensive about our downfalls when we know they are true. Try pointing out someones faults without them getting defensive – not many people can handle it. The fact that your post has absolutely nothing to do with what you were responding to should be a red flag as to your actual feelings.

On a side note – I totally understand where you're coming from. I had a blast with all my fellow ACN'ers while I was involved and I can also attest to the personal development that comes with joining the business (For anyone – if you ever have a chance to hear George Zalucki speak DON'T miss it!). But the facts remain the same – 99% of people don't make money and it's not just incompetent whiners or depressed-nobody's. It's pretty amazing how quickly your perspective changes once you remove yourself from the hype.

If ACN is a legit business, then why do these conversations even exist?

I own a decent little business that nobody would ever ask if it's real. That's because I sell real products. AND because my interest is selling my product, i'm certainly not 'recruiting' anybody to own the same biz.
You don't have to be a genius to look at this fast and think , this is all bullshit.
Of course they sell wireless products, and a 'video phone', that is by no means anywhere near new technology.
Let's put it this way.. they sell cell phone contracts… so does verizon…
when you go into a verizon store, they're trying very hard to sell you a phone, plan, accessory or something to do with their business… they are NOT trying to sell you another verizon store to open up within the same area…
The only reason i'm here is because i'm put in this family situation they speak of. A family member of mine, who shocked the shit out of me by falling for something like this, is already arguing with me about this. I was going to say nothing about their bad decision in joining this group, because it's none of my business, and i don't care what they do. But then they got mad at me when i finally said something because they tried luring my end of the family into their shit.and
for the record, my family member already has a successful career with her husband. They are by no means trash or stupid like most of the morons you hear of joining these programs.. which is why i can't for the life figure out why they fell for it. or maybe they really are and i'm giving them too much credit

This is the truth im going to help you guys all out. You dont have to believe this opinon or not. I know about ACN and do I believe they are scams and no one can make money from it? NO.So why wont i join ACN? Its just the fact that there are other home base business opportunites out there that are just as good and have lower start up cost. And I just think they have the wrong product/trend. People are already happy with there services. Thats why even when someone sign up with ACN the they dont even switch over to their ACN service. They dont want to spend money on a product they already have or dont really need. But ACN uplines encourage you switch your service to become your customer which would be smart but just more money to spend on products that you were not really expecting to waste money on. In all people who speak negative about these types of opportunites dont have what it takes to ever become a business owner and dont believe in them selves. You got to understand these types of businesses take time to grow and those who jump in these types of opportunites all excited and thinking they are going to start making 800,000 in 3 years and stuff need to just bring it down some and just let time prevail because you will have to work this business for years. Thats why people who join quite so quickly because they set there expectations to high. You are always going to have people speak negative on anyting you do. If you start a clothing store,club, restaurant, etc you really think its a better chance of you making money? Trust me it isn't you going to have to work just as hard and have the same chance of failing. At least you can make your profit back with the majority of network marketing businesses out there in a year with a traditional business it takes at least 5-8 years to break even.

Sailing4moore, go ahead and drink the ACN kool-aid and quit wasting your time defending this scam by posting here. The statistics stated above do not lie. You will not make a dime. You will lose your $499 investment (if you really want to call it that) You will get charged $150 to attend the big national conference where all you will hear is how much money everyone is claiming to make. You will travel home disillusioned that you are not making the same numbers as they are because you are too low on the pyramid. You will piss off all of your friends and family members because ACN will convince you to get them all involved in this scam. You will end up friendless. Your family won't answer your calls or open your e-mails. So please stop defending them and join up and let us all know how things are 6 months from now. If you finally admit you were wrong maybe I'll be your friend. Ahh, probably not.

Does anyone understand what he's trying to convey with this? Is that entire paragraph one sentence or a bundle of sentence fragments all lumped together to make one completely irrational and undecipherable statement? Take a night class or something dude.

it is around distant corner in the donald trump pocket, you grandchildren might be lucky to get it, and your customers should be living until them

That is so true you so said, and even McDonald's do credit criminal check, verizon store, guess what, this ass company don't, and you will be shocked how many are there, there is one convicted criminal by name Randy Taft. Shady people.

A Mutual Funds Advisor does not charge me $500 so that I can go sell mutual funds to my friends. Not does he tell me that I will make money on those mutual funds and get money for recruiting more Fund Advisors. I do work for my lifestyle, and I work hard. I just don't want to sell my friends and family crappy phones or simply a line of crap.

PS Mutual Fund advisors don't make 100% commisions. That would be impossible.

Suck my penis Tom Mack

Yes, you are right they are fucking great people, called Randy Taft, who is a convicted rapist and a registered sex offender.

If yu are looking into ACN Know this, I have been an ACN rep for just three short months, I invested in myself to see if I could better my life. Within the three months that I have been an ACN rep I have made more money than I do at my Full time job. And yes i make great money already at my full time job. I am 20 years old and make more than most people with degrees, as a matter of fact, In just three months I have made 14000. so is ACN a SCAM?!?!? NO !!! I get a pay check EVERY WEEK! .. BUT was it easy?! NO I work my ass off, and im dedicated to ACN, but only because I have done well with it and the truth is… is that not many people can say that they have made anything with ACN, but only for one reason… THEY DON”T WORK THEIR BUSINESS!!!! ACN is NOT a get rich quick business.. But it is a GET RICH SOME DAY and sooner than you could ever imagine. People if you don't work you don't get paid.. it's as simple as that! If you want a get rich quick business this is NOT or you.. and if your NOT willing to WORK then this is NOT for you. BUT if you are willing to work hard for a few years to have freedom from finicial stress then this IS for you..SO if you have already tried ACN and it did not work for you.. It's because you did not try! it'sbecasue you GAVE UP!! you QUIT!! so don't complain about it it's your own damn fault.. And for those of you who are looking to change your lives and actually work for your money then please don't pass this up.. I promise you if you just try, and have someone to show you the ropes.. Then you will be great and you WILL CHANGE your Lives.

P.S. If you have never heard a Presentation then don't judge..

And one more thing.. YES it is a pyramid!!! But so is your job.. You have a manager,, your manager has a manager and that manager has a boss, and that boss has the SVP or CEO..

It's the same thing!!!

But with ACN I don't have a Boss.. and I will be the SVP, I know you cant say that about your current job…

Even our US Military is a pyramid,,,

Think about it people..

9342120884 acn rep call me ask for my name

and lemme know what i say cause i go by a lot if names

“YES it is a pyramid!!! But so is your job.. You have a manager,, your manager has a manager and that manager has a boss, and that boss has the SVP or CEO..
It's the same thing!!! “

ahhh wrong. My job is legit and I do not have to hire more and more workers to get a bigger pay check myself.

“Even our US Military is a pyramid,,, “

WRONG AGAIN. The Us Military promotes from within the ranks and the generals do not receive increasing to their paychecks based on the amount of soldiers recruited.
You should drop both ACN and your other job and head back to school. You are clearly a a bad salesperson with the comment/pitch you left. Both of the comparisons you listed are idiotic at best.

HAHAHHAHAHHA

I JUST FOUND THIS ON ANOTHER SITE TALKING ABOUT ACN. SEEMS TO FIT ANN'S COMMENT PERFECTLY:

Minions foolishly compare MLM to a corporate structure.
Perhaps the “infinite downline” escapes them.

Every MLM is a pyramid, that's a fundamental reality. Every pyramid is not necessarily a scam or illegal. The Minions wish to convince the prospect that regular businesses and corporations are also pyramids. The regular business model, or non-MLM may appear as a single pyramid, and that's as far as it goes. MLM is a vertically growing stack of pyramids, and in theory may grow until population runs out. The reality is, however, that most will drop out of the deal, and another batch of prey will come along to keep the upper wealth flourishing. Not to be confused with vertical integration, each MLM pyramid is above or beneath another pyramid.

Finally an ACN supporter who admits it's a pyramid scheme!!! Sadly, more of the same multi-level marketing rhetoric they use at the presentations to convince these dimwits to leverage their relationships with friends and family members for $499 a crack. Drink the kool-aid people.

Hey where you work and in US millitary, do they hire criminals, bankrupts, rapists, sex offenders, ….. why you do not help dime a dozen ACN salesrep like Randy Taft get something in there….

what is your criminal history dude, or dudess, ….. how much you are in debt…..and how about drugs.

He's an idiot because you don't agree with him? What do you care if he likes ACN?

If the doctor is making money at ACN, he can't be that stupid.

30-50%? In some industries that might be true, but not all. I personally know of sales reps in perfectly reputable companies that sell million dollar products. I guarantee you that they are not making 500k in commissions.

You may spell the words correctly, but go back and read your post. Punctuation and grammar go along way in getting your point across.

Do you teach behavioral therapy? Because you need to learn how to calm down. Believe it or not, people do make money at this. And the only ones who are suckers are those who don't honestly evaluate a business opportunity & whether or not it is a good fit for them. And that is true for ANY business opportunity, MLM or not.

Like you do?

And labeling everyone who is for ACN as stupid is to assume. And we all know what happens when you assume things . . .

None of us care whether YOU are interested. Why do you care if others are?

Very eloquent, but I would like to make a few points..
First, would that 5 year contract have saved you any money? I agree with your statement that your children should be proud of you earn your money, and as ACN rep, I would never offer a service to anyone, contract or not, that did not benefit them in some way. Believe it or not some of us are not in this business to hoodwink our friends and family, but to earn some money while helping our friends and family. And we work honestly and ethically, which may or may not be the case for your friend.
ACN does not offer money for nothing. The offer the opportunity to make money IF you are willing and able to work for it. Like any business, it requires hard work and drive to be successful. This business is not for anyone, and the truly successful reps may show the opportunity to everyone they know, but they only sign up the ones who appear to be excited and driven. While there will still be some who will not succeed, trying to recruit the right people is key to long term success. Rep who go out and try to recruit everyone they meet will not be as successful in the long run because their recruits will not succeed, and no matter which part of the compensation plan you look at, no money is made until customers are signed up for services.
If you still fail to see how a middleman can save you money, ask yourself this: Why do stores and independent reps sell cell phones for wireless carriers? They don't do it for free and they don't charge any more that the carriers. Why would the carrier pay someone else to sell their cell phones when they make more money by selling the phones themselves? The answer is easy, marketing costs. When a big box store like Best Buy sells a cell phone for AT&T, they pay for all of the advertising. The money AT&T saves in marketing allows them to pay the third party vendors. ACN does the same thing with most of the services they offer (the video phone is their own). They contract with the provider to market their products for a cut of the proceeds, part of which are passed on to the reps. With cell phones it tends to be a cheaper handset purchase price, with other services it is a discount on the monthly charges. As ACN has a 90% customer retention rate, as opposed to the less than 50% retention average the provider maintains on its own, it is a beneficial relationship.
As to what the successful people would do if ACN closed it's doors and the revenue went away, if they are smart, they have invested some of that money along the way in an IRA or other long term investment for their future. Not everyone gets a cushy pension from their employer or union. I am glad you do, but some of us are not so lucky. I am glad you found a “plan B” that works for you.
MLM & direct selling has been a successful business model for decades. Just look at Amway, Tupperware, Mary Kay, etc. All of these companies reward you for recruiting others who will sell their products. The difference between MLM and a pyramid scheme is that MLM does not reward you until you build a customer base, whereas a pyramid scheme rewards you when you sign someone new up.

“telecom. bills are taken over by ACN at a reduced rate, so your phone bill becomes an ACN bill. it may be less than what you are paying with, say, at&t, but you're STILL PAYING ACN EACH MONTH! they pay your phone bill, but that's just overhead cost to the company because they pay the at&t bill all at once for each of the “reps” at a MUCH lower price than each individual would have paid. therefore, they make a profit because the cost of paying each person's bill is much lower than the money that each “rep” is paying THEM (acn) each month.”
Yeah, that's such a scam, you save money on your landline because your provider buys the service in bulk. And you make a small residual in the process. You are aware that they sell other service and have many customers who are not reps who are perfectly happy with their lower phone bills aren't you.

That may be true of those who started with the company 18 years ago. They were a start up and needed sales reps. But it is absolutely not true today. There are plenty of SVP's today that started at the bottom. It is network marketing, which means you need to talk to people you know to sell things. If you are not at least willing to present the products and the opportunity to those you know, how do you expect to make any money. That doesn't mean you need to cram it down their throats, but you have to at lease be willing to take that first step. It is not door to door sales like Kirby.

Who do you think makes the most money where you work? It isn't the worker bee, its the CEO. Every business is a pyramid. The people at the top make the most money. That is reality.
The big difference between ACN and other business models is that in ACN if someone in your downline works harder that you and is more successful they can pass you on the compensation plan, while you still make some residual off of their customers.

I think it's great your doing so well in your first few months. Try put away as much of that money as you can and get back into university and grab a degree while you're young. Unfortunately, ACN is not a long term career. Basically, it is a middle-man in the service/product channel (Pyramid Scheme or not). Seriously consider some of the services/products you sell. What is the quality, the service and price provided relative to similar services/products in your field?

When ACN approached me, I did listen to the sales pitch and went home with the vague information provided to do some research. I found that ACN would not provide anything better than the current branded markets. In fact, some of the products are obselete considering where the technology market is today. I prefer selling a branded product direct to consumer through the retail channel or serve as representative for the manufacturer. To me, the integrity of the service/product provided is very important. I want to know my customers needs are met and that the offering is fair.

I did not proceed with a second meeting with ACN so I am unable to comment further but considering the first meeting and understanding the business structure and approach to recruiting I didn't feel I would be comfortable buying the services and products offered so selling it would be worse.

Anyway Ann, good for you. I am glad you are making money but go back to school as soon as you can because the job world, even in professional sales, is increasingly expecting more from you than a slick sales pitch.

Tom Mack, they have fed you so much shit at those seminars/training/ra ra get togethers that you have become what you eat. How do you like scaming your friends and family for a few extra bucks? Working for ACN demands a person like you to possess the the capability of fucking your own mother for a dollar. Doesnt the fact that you know this is true deep down inside make you feel like a nervious whore at church? Keep up the good work queer.

Muffin muncher, shut up for the love of God!

ACN will ONLY make you $500 poorer

They told me to bring two friends but not to give them much details on what the seminar was about, and they didnt want me to mention the name ACN to them. It was like everyone that worked there knew it was a scam and were teaching me the tricks of the trade. EVERYBODY STAY AWAY FROM ACN!!!

“Like wow stupid clueless people piss me off”- you sound like a little school boy bitch. Quit lying, nobody is buying any of your shit…

Everyone that works for ACN only knows how to say “well why would trump be involved?” like a bunch of sheep. The answer is simple, MONEY from morons like you.

Folks, you see, Victorgomezesq does gay porn on the side. That's how he secures the residual income…

I have just recently been exposed to ACN and am researching the company before making a decision. Like many I have reservations, however I must say that it has been so inspiring to read
ACN's vision and to see a business promote integrity! I haven't made up my mind yet…in fact when first reading these posts I really started to think “oh shit…this is not what I hoped for!” but then I kept reading and reading and I cannot believe the name calling and insinuations that keeping coming up over and over! It does make me really wonder who is disallusioned here??? Perhaps a lot of people don't make a lot of money…or get rich with ACN…but I'm not quite sure why people would consider others with ambition “morons?!” The most disturbing thing I have read over and over is the recurrent comments about “sex offenders, criminals, rapists, etc.” If you are going to bash people about not looking at the facts, then perhaps you should be more aware of what statements 'you' make! The reality is sex offenders, rapists and criminals are everywhere! There are many offenders out there in the high ranking positions that have cleared criminal reference checks…the reality is that sexual predators exist in every race, religion and income bracket! I commend “Truth Speaker” for the work he does; it is essential and admirable. But let me tell you, I am a Social Worker and my interest in this business is very much rooted in the idea that this business opportunity could help me fund a residential group home for dual diagnosed children referred through Children's Aid, and to develop a retreat program for depressed women! I don't think I am a moron for having interest in something like ACN. I also was sexually molested for several years of my life as a child by two different people, and believe me they were educated and respected, and worked in public places! Please, have your opinions about facts but rag on others and then talk such SHIT!!!!
Respectfuly

So you want the molesters who molested you to sit and party with you in the ACN Meeting and so called trainings and, also molest your downline……….why you have so much sympathy for rapists like Randy Taft….are you also

Are you saying the sex offenders, rapists are everywhere in ACN from the top to bottom.

Shanal1 Your post has alot of good points and I thank you for the compliment. The problem I have with ACN is their recruitment process. They are very tight lipped when inviting someone to a presentation. If they are running a legitimate business why won't they gladly tell you who they are before the meeting??? I spoke personally with John Melton and he flat out refused to tell me what they did and who they were. All he would say is that it had to do with voip. Big deal! What's the big secret. Voip has been around for a long time. I use it on a daily basis. It's call Go to Meeting. Again, why the secret? The fact that this John Melton character admitted he had 16,000 people below him, had only ever sold 40 actual accounts, and didn't even know how the video phone worked was very disturbing to me. He was laughing the whole time he said this and even admitted it was a pyramid scheme. So basically if you want to go out and work hard and sell accounts please do. My warning is this, please do not get caught up in the recruiting. I temporarily lost a friend of 25 years over this because he let these white collar criminals convince him that he was going to be a millionaire. He lied to about 20 of his closest friends all for the chance to get in our pockets for $499 each. Luckily no one at the presentation I attended fell for their recruiting tactics and my friend eventually resigned, got his money back, and did alot of apologizing for luring us into this the way he did. This was only after this John Melton harrassed him constantly about getting numbers underneath him. He went as far as saying this to my friend, 'I though you had alot of friends with money'. Please be careful and if you find they truly do provide a good service I wish you the best of luck. From what I have read here their service is sub par, their pricing begins low and eventually winds up being more expensive than anyone else, and it's almost impossible to get out of your contract. Good luck and please be careful!

well said truthspeaker, equally i am appalled by the sex offenders in their mix to already of thier criminal activities, this fellow Randy Taft with his sister Tracey Taft had the balls to roam around the children and schomooze with the women and making presentation and taken details of my friends and was visiting them….while hiding that he is convicted rapist…..disgusting and vomitting

Have you ever been to what an ACN Rep calls “training”? Well, I spent 2 1/2 hours one recent saturday morning at one of these fiascos. It's nothing more than a Pep Rally with canned speaches (not peaches) smooth talking uplines in suits so well creased i'm not sure they can even sit down. This is NOT training by any means. After watching a DVD that looked like I was watching a high school football rally (the light show was great, even a rock star would have been impressed). The ONLY thing they do is try to sign you uo as an Independent Rep (IR). It was like I was watching a cult. A lot of the folks in the room, which it looked to be about 100, were all shaking their heads “yes” as these starched suit speakers were spewing their BS. So take another drink of that koolaid.

Tom what have you been drinking??????????? An ACN cocktail?

$400 a few months ago? Now I know you are lying. I was asked by a friend to come to one of their meetings back in March (9 months ago if you have trouble counting) and it was $500 to 'sign up' then. I hope you like spending your money on this stupid trip to San Diego to watch a light show and hear a bunch of BS. By the way, my friend will be at the same dog and pony show as you. Oh, and it's SAN DIEGO..not Sand Diego. Another bufoon educated by ACN.

Are you kidding? Savings?? Don't forget, the video phone needs a broadband connection. You don't just plug it into a standard phone line. So you have to PAY for broadband if you don't already have it. And if you are going to pay for broadand why not use skype etc. instead of paying $200 for this outdated video phone. Besides, ACN pays the Donald to hype it's crap and we all know Mr Trump likes money no matter how he gets it.

The fact that you think Donald Trump's endorsement confirms ACN as a quality investment is sad and embarrassing. As a fellow ACN rep and recruiter I think it's important to recognize that you have to see this a business and judge it's profitability accordingly. Donald trump was paid to advertise this.. Be smarter than that. ACN is a good business because it puts money in my and my reps pockets, not because the guys at the top of ACN paid off a billionaire to read a script into a camera…

GOD? What does god have to do with ACN

Free meetings? Who are you kidding? I was asked by a friend to attend one of these meetings. There was a sign at the table that read “Reps $10 Guests free”

You say your partners got their investment back AND made $100 in 45 days………WOW sign me up. $100 profit in 45 days?? That's $2.22 a day. Holy shit they just got rich!! And your upline just retired 2 year early from the city jail? Why, is he on the inside of the cell now?

$700 a month? That's $175 a day or lets just use a normal 5 day work week……..that works out to be $35 a day. You're a whiz kid. You should be able to buy your BMW in about 35 years.

Ooops…I made a typo…………..that's $175 a week.

Was he able to show you checks he got from ACN proving he was making this amount of money or did he just tell you this. Are you sure his employer didn't 'fire' him?

Mark keep drinking the koolaid. I checked the BBB on ACN. The only reason they have an A+ rating is because they have so far resolved much of the complaints from customers. And they themselves are not a telecommunications company as they lead you to believe. They resell services from real telecom companies like Verizon, AT&T, Sprint etc.

That's because they have PROVEN integrity for over 100 years you moron.

Tell me why ACR reps call these meetings “TRAINING”? I attended one of these sessions on a saturday morning for over 2 hours. It was nothing more than a pep rally. Ont once did they talk about products or services. They showed a DVD of one of their rallys in some convention hall with a laser show and cheerleaders etc. Training my ass………I wasted a whole morning at a brainwashing clinic.
Then after this dumb ass DVD they call all these reps to the front so they can give them lapel pins for I guess reeling other poor suckers into believing they could make it rich. Each one gave the same canned speach…..something like 'I never could have done it without the help and guidance of ACN'…. I just wanted to puke. Then they hand out the application to become a rep. Joke……Folks you can do as you please but be careful………..they never tell you how much money they make. No traing at all….just recruitng..

So it's been 4 months since you became a rep. You made $3200=$800/month=$200/week.
$3200/month minus $499 start-up=$2701 Minus the $50 training kit=$2651 minus the $29/month fee for the website (29 x 4 months=$116) so $2651 minus $116=$2535 follow me so far? So if you just sat in the chair and did nothig for this money you got “paid” at a rate of $2535 divided by 4 months = $583 per month divided by 4 weeks in a month = $145/week which equals $3.65 per hour.
Now, for this huge amount of money, please tell us how many hours you actually worked calling people, setting up meetings, driving to 'training sessions' etc or was that something you failed to factor in. Please enlighten us.

No BS……..Read the fine print on your application.

They are less expensive for now……but wait. As P.T. Barnum put it “There's a sucker born every day” Check out todays sucker in the mirror.

So you have been with ACN six months and you got your initial investment back and them some you say? So be honest and tell all of us how much more beyond the $499 did you receive. You sound like a typical rep.

OK another math lesson here. He did say he just turned 20 so we have to excuse him for thinking $2500/month is great money. Kid what did your techer say to you in school……….DO THE MATH.
Here, i'll help you. $2500/month divided by 4 weeks in the month…….follow me so far, equals $625/week. OK, now you take that $625/week and you divide that by 40 hours and it equals $15.65/hour. Really not that shabby but you said you have been a rep for a year now so tell us how many hours you spend a day/week/month to make this money? I'm pretty sure you put quite a bit of time into recriuting others. Oh he did say that $2500/month was cash……Hope he is setting some of that money aside for when the IRS comes calling………

Excellent reply to this moron…..they are hideous, ridiculous scums, if they are so proud of their quality and prices, why in the hell they to people drawing rooms, ….and they will get anybody in their team without any morals and principles…whether they are criminals, sex offenders, rapists….

Well said….their model is to recruit and sell to the people who they call in INDEPEDENT REPRESENTATIVE…..when in reality they are the customers of the ACN…..and that is why they will get anybody on board, cheaters liars, sex offenders, rapists, bankrupts….

sounds like a lot of hates out there. of course you only see negative comments about ACN here, the name of the article is The ACN Scam | Understand This! so only skeptical ppl are going to see this page. just because there was a sex offender in the business it doesn't mean the whole company is filled with them, sure there might 1 or 2 more of them but it doesn't mean anything.

yes it does not matter to you, as long as you get the money, care less for children and women, why would it matter, that thiefs, rapists, convicts, criminals, druggists, are in your rank and file as ACN is a white collar criminals group, what about you, are you a criminal, rapist, thug, smuggler,

You really need to get more educated on the way the “pyramid” really does work. There is way more too it then you assume. I personally dont want to explain it all. But I'm 20 years old, figured I would give it a try. All I had to do was sell 5 points worth of acn products (essentially 5 phone packages but there are numerous other products available worth different amounts of points) in under my first month and I recieved my first bonus, 1000 dollars. So atleast I'm not in the hole. I understand some of your points, but YOUR missing acn's point, as they CLEARLY state, that NOTHING is guarenteed when you sign on. But now being apart of acn, I can vouch that any decently business savy, hard working person can truely develop a very nice residual income over a period of time. That period of time depends on who you recruit for your team and how many products your team is selling. The reason the success and failure stats are so skewed is because there ARE tons of lazy dummies just HOPING that this makes them rich quick. So maybe you got caught up thinking about rapists and molesters the whole entire presentation because whatever “gist” of what you heard, was seriously misunderstood. My word isnt as good as Donald Trumps either I'll admit, perhaps you missed his personal opinion on it.

You are mistaken John if you think 90% of millionaires having less than 2 years of college somehow means its a good idea to not go to college. If you want to throw out statistics :

-There are over 3 billion people in the United States, only 4.7 million are millionaires. Your chances of becoming a millionaire are incredibly small and you are more than likely never going to become a millionaire, especially by selling ACN products and services, only those at the tip-top (i.e. the original creators of this program) are millionaires due to residuals. You are more than likely, statistically, to be an ordinary average American citizen, so lets look at the wages you will earn.

- Let's look at the median yearly income of the average America (taken by the U.S. Department of Labor) :
No college : $30,400
Bachelors : $52,200
Masters : $62,300
PhD or equivalent degrees : $89,400 – $109,600

In this case, if ACN fails or goes under (which is possible, don't buy the hype that this is some guaranteed lifetime job, the technology will be outdated within 10 years, guaranteed), you are looking at your wife earning more than $30,000 than you, PER YEAR!

It is never a bad decision to earn a college degree of some sort as it drastically increases your pay grade. Don't fail yourself by refusing to become educated.

Honestly, you are wasting your money if you follow this program. You are better off getting an education and working hard at developing a career than investing in selling technology that can become outdated at any time. Don't believe that these video phones are somehow cutting edge technology that is going to be around forever. Just look at cell phones, less than 10 years ago the Motorola RAZR was cutting edge, now it looks like some ancient artifact. These video phones will become outdated technology, its not a question of “if”, but “when”.

As has been shown in numerous articles, only the top 1% of the company actually are millionaires, everyone else is stuck earning a meager living. It makes sense if you think about it. Why would so many of these multi-level marketing companies appear if they weren't successful startups for their investors?

The true problem I have with these companies are the supplemental fees that they expect from their sellers. At least in the past with companies like AVON, individuals only had to invest in products to sell. But now with companies like ACN, its investing in product and than spending even more for “training” sessions and member “dues” which can significantly increase the cost of the startup. I attended one of these “training” sessions with a person who use to be a good friend. Needless to say, it resembled something akin to a cult meeting than anything close to training. The whole thing reminded me of attending a motivational speaker lecture, except the motivation was to keep pushing friends and family to invest into ACN.

The people who developed this program are smart, they have incorporated aspects of motivational speaking, celebrity, religion, technology, and a money-making scheme into one. It is quite understandable to see how many people could be easily persuaded to follow this program, even though it seems so apparent to many others that it is nothing more than multi-level marketing scheme.

Save your money or invest your money in bettering yourself through education, but don't waste your money following this program.

Wow you are and idiot. We are positioning ourselves in front of the curve. The deregulation of telecom and gas have and will, wether you or I get involved or not, shift tremendous amount of wealth into the pockets of the ACN reps. Regarding the “some wait” category, the reason people hesitate is because 1. They don't have the money (which is probably the best possible reason to start). 2. They think it's too good to be true. 3. The are, to be honest, lazy and/or scared to change their life and what their used to. Frankly, this is why the majority of people are broke. May I ask you if you're successful? Do you have all the time and financial freedom that you desire? Obviously not if you are spending you're days putting down a busines that has done nothing but set up a perfect, simple track for ordinary people to run on. If someone is not willing to roll up their sleeves and truly plug into the business, it is right for them, but if they are it will be life changing. It has changed thousands of lives. If I asked you if you would work hard for between two to six years to never work a single day the rest of your life, what would you say?

Ann, There's Kool-Aid in the kitchen and your Nikes are under the bed. If you hurry, I think you can catch 'em 'fore they leave the galaxy. If you are telling the truth and you are the VERY rare exception, you are still, nonetheless a brainwashed zombie. You fail to mention how many of your family and friends still remain on speaking terms with you. How many of your 'underlings' have made any money? Me thinks that if you truly did make $14 grand in just three short months, it is only money that used to be theirs. -My two Abe Lincolns

“Me thinks that if you truly did make $14 grand in just three short months, it is only money that used to be theirs” Excellent point! (And hilarious over-all comment) Regardless of much they believe in their crazy cult, they cannot fail to admit that so long has they have made money, there will always be people under them who have lost it. I would jump at the opportunity to bet $14 grand that no one in ACN has ever made it into the black without leaving someone below them in the red (permanently) Theoretically this could happen, but let's be honest – it simple does not. And there is one fundamental difference between ACN and a corporation or the military. In the legit pyramids it is certain that all people walk away with pay cheques. In the pyramid scheme, it is only certain that all people will put money in.

Truth Speaker…are you the one working on protecting school children? It looks like everyone with different opinion then yours is a “Moron” … I wouldn't want my kids around you and your “projects”…

wow, what a great article. I had a friend try to convince me to do this. I had just gone through a similar nightmare with “online business Systems” who sell Herbalife. MLM. Sure I liked the products but all emphasis was with recruiting. If you think about it…who is buying product..the basis of the bus if no one is selling? Only recruiting..using scripts, group calls, tons of expenses, Finally I was broke and declared bankruptcy… Run don't walk away from this. Who really would stand at a phone anyway to see the other person…just use your computer.

Read my post where I commend another ACN clone who truly believes she can go out and sell a bunch of accounts and make money without getting involved in the pyramid aspect of this scam. I say good luck to her if that is her true intention and I believe it is. And yes your opinion doesn't matter to me and yes I think you are a moron as well. Good luck with ACN sucker.

This from a 20 year old? Please. Go to college or attend a technical school and learn about technology. Don't get into a business that forces you to scam friends and family members out of $499 a crack. Tell me how many friends you have left after you have been in ACN for a couple of months. I doubt about the same number you have now. Zero. Oh, and why don't you explain to all of us how a pyramid scheme really does work. I would be interested in hearing that from you. Maybe your upline can write that essay for you kid. They know exactly how it works.

Thank you Tom, Well said.

this sounds so much like my story. My good college friend tried to get me to come to a “meeting” for a “great opportunity”. He kept blowing up my phone with text about going because I always had plans for when he had his “meetings”. I finally told him he was being shady about not telling me how I “would make so much money” and that he was way too secretative for me. He then sent me a message how its not a secret and too look at his site. That is when I finally had a name to google and low and behold all I find are websites like this talking about how people get scammed. As a good friend that I am, I told him he needed to research the company because I thought it was a scam and he blew up my phone telling me that my phone company was a scam, he even had the guts to google my company to tell me where I worked was a scam (I work at a prestigious private University!) That was when I pretty much said back off or say bye bye to our friendship. It really did bother me that he was sitting here trying to get me to join this just for his own financial gain. I even told him that I was super tight on money since I had a difficult year with short selling my home. I'm really questioning his friendship and if I want to keep him in my life….

Exactly, thats what someone told me when I tried to recruit them into ACN. They turned me down and now after trying for several months, I haven't seen a dime from ACN. This company is a scam trying to sell you dvds and cds on motivational speakers, charging you to attend regional training events and pressuring you to recruit, recruit, recruit. It doesn't matter if you sign yourself or others up to a ton of services, if you don't recruit you won't see a single penny from the so-called “residual income”. If you're not willing to lie to your friends and family and try to get money off them for people who are already rich, then stay away from this company.

This sex offender sister Tracey taft is also not behind either, check her at traceytaft dot acnrep dot com

She is very deep into several several thousands of debt,
She is always a pure 100% parasite, expert in playing games,
and living on charity and alms,
that's the way her whole family grew up, on charity and WELFARE.

Where she works at wcsqr dot com, she claims that her boss Alan and Evelyn Smith are swingers.

Many men on her facebook are her 'friends with benefits' and then a long list, and
whichever party she goes, she ends up in bed at their houses or hotel.

With her screwed credit history, she managed to get into “Events and Adventures” club,
which she claims is a hookup place. Apparently she could not trap a man
over there, they could see through her shameless skin.

She has no place to live on her own, live in a weird arrangement with her friend Mary Ostroot
boyfriend Nigel Ryder. Her own family had kicked her out of their homes.

Just one comment to Tom: 308 million people in the U.S., just came from the Census they took. Safe bet that if I did a bit of research, I'd find out that your facts were pulled from a box of Fruit Loops.

The only thing I'll say that the obsession with cars is that the company gives you (at some levels) a $4k monthly auto bonus, pays for some high end leases.

Seriously, if you spent such little time and you are THIS salty about the company, WTF are you putting in hours a day slamming it? Doesn't make sense, you are exerting more energy bashing ACNers and the company than anything else.

Sure the “training” is hokie, but everyone puts their personal touch to them, did you want to sit through any training that was boring? The bottom line, they want to motivate. If you didn't like the concept, don't join.

See, the there are different people that join ACN, we're not all the same. I have over 30 years of business contacts in a very large city. My family has provided a 3 generation business, very successful but we sacrificed so much. I figured one day that I was going to ease the burden of our “time killing successful business” and luck into other projects.

For my team and I, this is great! ACN lets me actually make money off my years of business contacts. For example, I saved a local restaurant $8k on a new phone system, they even shopped it around to a hand full of companies……couldn't touch it. They were so happy, they started sending me business.

Yeah, selling cell phones and such will take quite a long time to make it in any MLM. You don't need years of contacts…..you need to use your brain! You need to posses and use your sharp skills in life, being able to speak to people, make a connection, get motivated, help those below you, read, network, etc.

Look, I only recruited a hand full of close friends and business associates, we assembled the perfect team. If a “potential recruit” doesn't have the motivation or is spending his last dime to join, I tell them not to join.

And as for all this crap about Cho Mos……um, has anyone ever done a back round check on Congress? Full of rapists, drunks, felon check bouncers, drug addicts, murderers ( OK, they were never convicted), child molestors, frauds, liars, cheats, etc. I know this, I live in DC.

Lastly………..I have read quite a few posts here, mainly trying to figure out why so many people are bashing ACN. At least on THIS site, I can say that there are two types of bashers. There is the first one, rightly pissed off friend/family member who was thrown into an ACN meeting. That sucks and guess what, not everyone does that, everyone is different. Secondly, there are the truly sad people that sit on this site, cussing and calling people all sorts of nasty names simply because they hate their own lives.

Food for thought…….I have yet to read a post by a basher that explains ACN. Yeah, they get a few catch phrases in, a 10 year old comp plan, etc. I really want to blurt so much out but, gas and electric are coming in January, I'm keeping my leads to myself!

Well put. The negative, name-calling types have clearly either failed at MLM or have never done it and have no business slamming it. Fact is, incompetent under educated people can sign up, learn and excel at this type of business, because it is a proven, legal method of multiplying your own efforts. It is similar in some ways to other industries, who all want to sell as much as possible.

There is no perfection on earth, no industry, human or even in nature. These apparent do-nothing “discouragers” would rather attack those with dreams and the willingness to try to change their lot in life, help others do the same, and make a difference, because it makes them feel better about their own dark lives if they can tear someone else down to their level. Or something like that. They have maybe never built something from scratch, taken a chance on a new idea, hoped to contribute to someone else's success. They may fear failure and thinking outside the box. They are glass-half-empty types, I guess.

Whatever it is, it is NOT the thinking that built this great country! We should applaud those who will strike out for that elusive pot of gold and creating something others are too timid to try. Every MLMer is a pioneer, and it can be an adventure.

Everybody I've ever met in MLM have been fine local people, and the products were fine. I am sure some who rise to the top can be snobs. Everybody deals with success and failure differently. No need to slam the entire company or industry. Most involved are solid, salt-of-the-earth folks, just wanting a way to improve their lives – and those of their families. I 'm sure many wish they could make more. Usually, that just means work harder, smarter and longer.

These negative types are generalizing, inflaming the discussions about something they have little or no first-hand knowledge of, and passing themselves off as know-it-all rocket scientists who have a burning desire to encourage FAILURE! Good luck with that use of your spare time.

To all that are thinking about joining ACN, you may want to read this first(http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html). I have been to a “trianing” session (joke). It's nothing but a hyped-up recruiting scam. I did a lot of reading on MLM's and pyramid schemes and ACN is a classic.You need to read this article before you think about joining. The article was “right on”.

You say you saved them 8k on a phone system??? Wow…I used to install phone systems. If you saved them 8k they must have had a quote of 16k for this system…….hogwash..now I know you are lying.

What a liar so you are a convict, felon, rapist….good for you, so anyway talks ACN is a convicted felon..

Hey assy, is why don't you invite Randy Taft to sell ACN to your sister and mother, while you have good time with his sister.

Wow, the author that wrote this, sure has a lot of time on his hands to sit there a bash ACN but im sure is not financially free him or herself and is just mad becuase they didnt have the drive to pursue this company. This company was researched for years by Donald Trump who spend millions to decide if he was willing to put his name on it and endorse this blessed company. Im sorry, but not a lot of business's can say they are endorsed and not owned by Trump. Regardless if you like or do not like Trump, we can all agree he knows a good opportunity when he sees it. Most people that are so negative about ACN, go in thinking they were going to make a lot of money right away without doing any work. Thats never the case, and you know what my family owned a business for 7 years and we invested $80,000 just to open the franchise and for 5 years we just broke even. So we saw this and all we had to invest was $500 and we could be a franchise owner of Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T, Dish Network, Direct Tv, DSL, ADT, Clear WiMax, and coming in 2011 gas and electric. Thats amazing and you can do it all in your own spare time while you keep your full time job. No one is asking you to quit your job, this is a legit second sourse of income thats a plan B that can one day turn into a plan A for you if you work it hard enough. Ive only been in it for 3 months and yes mr. author. I made my money back in about um 6 days, so you have no clue what your talking about. I think its funny how broke people are always trying to tell you how to make money, why would u listen to your broke friend how to make money, i dont know about you but i want to learn from the milionairs that are my age in this business. And yes im young, im only 24 and i work with millionairs that are my age doing this business. I dont see why you wouldnt set yourself up to finally get paid back on the bills you pay every month anyway. But Author your right, this business isnt for everyone, its only for people that are drivin and ready to put time and hard work in. If your not it, than your prolly one of the other broke people bashing ACN on this website. Ive met the cofounders of this company and they are 4 young amazing men, that care more about their reps and changing peoples lives than selling it and being selfish. I love how the people who write things on the web are the ones that always have something to complain about, no one usually get on to write about something good.
Well, if you dont have a job already than its probably becuase your lazy, so you wont probably suceed in this business anyway so just dont try. If your drivin, then you are who we are looking for. The work JOB simply means Just Over Broke. So if thats where u want to stay in your life that have at it. Personally if you work for corporate America than you are already in a pyramid scam, meaning you work for someone else at the top making them rich so they never have to work, and you will NEVER get to the top. This business, you decide how far you get, no one else decides your destiny, because its what you put into it.

Thanks for your time in reading this
Take Care

Wow! Do you own a stupid catch phrase thesauras? Glass half empty, salt of the earth folks, think outside of the box, work harder smarter longer, know it all rocket scientists. Or maybe you got all these great phrases from the motivational posters that are hanging in your bedroom in your parents basement. Like that cute little kitty dangling from a tree that says 'hang in there baby'. Quit defending this scam and use some of your spare time to get a life. By the way I'm not a 'do nothing discourager'. I can just recognize a scam when I see one.

My husband and I have sat through two of these presentations over the last year. I can see how they could hook people into believing that this the money making opportunity of a lifetime. But since my husband and I are such skeptical people we were able to see past all the hype.
When my question is never directly answered, it always makes me wonder, what are you trying to hide? When I asked one of the presenters about the “residual income” and having to pay self-employment tax, he wasn't sure what I was talking about. HELLO….if you are “running a business” you should know what self employment tax is, cause just about everybody has to pay it.
When they say that all of your services that you run through ACN becomes a business expense, that is not the case. How are you going to justify to the IRS your satellite bill, or your landline.
If it is to good to be true, than it probably is.

To Truth Speaker
Wow, If only we all could be a wonderful, sensitive, caring, experienced know it all like you!
My simple illustrative language is there so folks easily get the gist of my comments. Now you are a writing and grammar expert? You are obviously a motivational American. Who wants to listen to such a bitter angry jerk as you? Oh, I forgot, WE'RE all morons – not you.
More millions have been made in MLM by ordinary people than in any other industry. It's global, working and will not go away. Some will mess it up, some will take it all the way. You don't like it – we get that!! Shut up already!!
It is a perfectly LEGAL business model. There is no perfect one, but this works for many, just like franchising works for some, being a union member for others, or a cubicle staffer. It just depends on the person. Lighten up, back off, get a productive hobby.
BTW: I'm in my mid fifties, have owned my own successful business for over 35 yrs., married, raised kids, helped others, paid taxes, and since you don't know me (or anyone else you attack), how about dropping the ridiculous derogatory assumptions about people? Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself. Like that?
Are you bitter because you got burned? Hey, buddy, everybody gets burned now and then. learn from it and move on. You have to “get back in the saddle and give it another go”. How'd you like that one?
What a downer you are. Why don't YOU get a life and leave all these people alone? Anonymous blogging and attacking is childishly pathetic – and not good for your blood pressure. It's none of your business what they do and you MUST have something better to do? (I have a few suggestions…)

ALL these “peoples”? Really…? What a ridiculous generalization and assumption. Probably the same percentage as any other business, company, club, corporation, franchise or mom and pop store, don't you think? Be honest.

Likewise, all the know it all negative blogs. Exact same attacks.
Get a life – it's none of your business. You evidently failed, get over it. You don't like MLM – we get it!!
But some of these hard working folks WILL be successful, if they work at it. I know that really pisses you off, but you were apparently a quitter and now just can't let it go.
I bet you sucked at sports, too, and didn't get into the NFL…boo hoo…or become President, or marry the perfect girl, or get a 4.0 at Harvard. That's life.

Only if you quit. How much did you make at first at your FIRST job? Did you stay there? Did you get better at it, get promoted, get a raise? I hope so. You can't claim success in MLM for a couple of years of sticking to it. Just like everywhere else. Relax. These people can make their own decisions. It's not up to you to save the world from MLM. work on terrorism FIRST – AND our tax & spend politicians!

REALLY?!? FULL of them? How do you get your facts and statistics? You are SO smart – you should run the whole world. I am in awe of your mind and values, deeply caring for your fellow man – what he does with his spare time and money. Gee, you're swell.

…what? where did you learn English – and typing?
Oh, ACN is the devil! Oh, the sky is falling. Oh, I must save all the stupid people who believe they have what it takes to get a piece of the HUGE, GLOBAL MLM pie. Somebody is making money at it, and that's why it thrives!
…But not for you, I guess. You were maybe a failure at it, quitting too soon, not getting it, or listening at the training meetings, wrong product, etc. Always someone else's fault, right?
And now you bitterly slash out at others who might do well. Nice.
Be happy in your wage job. That's who you are…NOT who they want to be. At least they are trying something. They may fail, too, but what business is it of yours?

Yeah, 4 months! Talk to them in a year or two. It's part-time! What part of “work your way up” don't you understand? it takes time like anything. geez, math-wizard.
When anything starts to click, it becomes fun, and it's not about money anymore, although, that's icing on the cake, right? Ever had a job you loved? Some people love MLM. Some don't. Let it go.

How do you know? Sources? Evidence? Sounds like slander to me. How can ACN's lawyers get hold of you? Maybe you should be investigated, too. We all should be. Let's have the government get involved in all business and background checks. No buying or selling unless it is done, either. You can't do anything unless you are perfectly squeaky clean – and didn't EVER do anything stupid when you were young, either.

Yeah, they are ALL illegal organizations – with millions of reps worldwide, decades in existence, affiliated with major brands, used by fortune 500 companies, some traded on the NYSE, etc. No, they are ALL scams and pyramid schemes.
(Oh, wait maybe it's that many people start, then quit, making all sorts of excuses that are never their fault).

Wow, you are SO smart and right about everything. I wish I were you…

Obama and all his progressive pals are running a ponzi/pyrmaid scheme. And we sit by and gripe, but are almost powerless to stop them. Except at election time. Generally, all organizations are pyramidal in shape. There are variations within the business models, but pretty similar. And everyone hates their fat rich boss, right? So this just sounds like more angst from the lowly minions, as usual. Why don't workers get this mad about their UNIONS? Or their Government? Talk about corrupt setups! Life just ain't fair, is it?

wow. You are really dense. Show your evidence and statistics or shut up. I'll bet you have a few skeletons in your family closet, too. And where you work, etc. The world is a dark place sometimes. And you are part of it. Lighten up and quit slandering people trying to better their lives!

Taft MAY be what you say, but if he paid his debt to society, then give him a break and allow him to better his life. Wouldn't you want a 2nd chance? Who knows? Where do you get this info? And if his sister is a lousy financial manager, what of it? How does that diminish ACN and its thousands of reps who don't even know them? Do you know all the criminals in your neighborhood, school, company, church, etc.? NOT! Are you perfect? No errors whatever?

Don't quit. Or maybe you are not the type of person who is a self-starter, can't think outside the box, can't win people over to your ideas and motivate and lead them, either. That's ok. Many people CAN do those things – and very well, or at least are willing to learn. And it takes time to build it. Sometimes many years.
Not everyone is comfortable outside a 9-5 paycheck job. We need those folks. Some are crazy inventors. Some are sports gods – or rock stars. Find your niche and go for it!
But don't assume that because you failed or couldn't get it to work that you have to put down others who want to try. It's just not for you. It made you uncomfortable. Work within your comfort zone and excel!
There's no wrong or right here. Just different approaches. And it's designed to be part time. Like selling a homemade product at the weekend flea market. Then you hit on an idea and zoom! Or you learn to sing and suddenly you have a hit CD. You get it.

It's PART-TIME. If you excel, you can go further. Like any supplemental income effort. ACN and many other MLMs are constantly learning how to make it more workable for their reps. They don't like attrition. They want success stories to abound. And there are many thousands who have done well. It takes time and perseverance. You may not like their particular business model, but so what? Do your thing, and let these people try it out.
Women are especially good at networking. Us guys kind of get run over. It's not for everyone, simple as that. If it made you uncomfortable, you are being honest about it not being right for you. Some personality types are perfect for it. And they move product – the goal of any company. And their incentive is to keep updating their products and services to keep the technological momentum working for them.
Most MLM products are high quality, too. Some require specific instructions, that's why they can't simply be sold from Walmart's shelves. It's a huge, global legal marketing system that's been around a long time. A lot of folks are ok with it.

Uh oh! Another ACN clone who must have a dictionary of idiotic catch phrases taken from the motivational posters hanging in his bedroom in his parents basement. Do you think people are really using the phrase 'think outside the box' anymore? I love how you are so motivational. Find your niche and go for it. Work within your comfort zone and excel. Hit on an idea and zoom! Give me a break. ACN has you so brainwashed you actually believe you are a successful person. Here's an original thought, scam your friends and family members out of $499 a pop. Lose contact with all of them because they hate your for tricking them out of their hard earned money that they actually got from working a real job or as you put it a '9 to 5 paycheck'. Then spend the rest of your life a lonely broke loser living in your parents basement. Oh never mind that last part, they probably kicked you out for scamming them to. And don't end your stupid lecture by telling us 'We get it' because we know we get it. You are the one who doesn't get it.

I have a productive hobby. Bashing idiots like you who have bought into this whole scam and 'defend it to the bitter end'. You can add that one to your stupid catch phrases. If you are so successful with your own business why are you scamming your friends and family members out of their hard earned money? Everybody on this site who defends ACN are nothing more than a bunch of clones who have heard these stupid motivational phrases at those stupid millionaire meetings a hundred times over. By the way, I never called everyone a moron. Only a select few have earned that distinction and you just made it to the top of my list (Tom Mack you are off the hook now that this guy showed up). Check my post where I commended a woman who is giving ACN a legitimate chance and is not buying into the pyramid scheme aspect of the business. She honestly wants to go out and try and sell as many accounts as she can. I wished her luck and I would hire someone with her honesty and desire to sell for my company. But you on the other hand….
Oh and by the way I am a writing and grammar expert. I have a masters degree in journalism and if I would have handed in a writing project with all of your little catch phrases written in your 'simple illustrative language' my professors would have
laughed my ass right off campus. This website was intended to make people aware of the scam that ACN is so I have every right to bash anyone on here that is trying to defend the scam. Maybe I should get back in the saddle now and sell some more software. And yes I am childishly pathetic with good blood pressure, and it is my business to help inform people about this scam you are involved in. Oh and I do have something better to do but I just enjoy how sensitive you stupid clones are when someone calls out your little ponzi scheme. Quick, get you catch phrase book out and send me some more motivational phrases.

Is spell check broke on your pc?

You can't possibly own your own successful business. You spend way to much time on here defending ACN. Are you John Melton or Randy Taft?

Another dumb dumb has joined the flock. A tremendous shift of wealth from your friends and family members pockets to yours is what this scam is all about. Why don't you 'roll up your sleeves' and get a real job loser. Do they teach all you morons these great phrases at the millionaire's club meetings or at the national conference you have to pay to attend? I've personally never attended a sales conference that I had to pay for. Have you idiots ever wondered why they make you pay to attend these functions. If all they want to do is make you better at selling their bogus services don't you think they would gladly let you attend for free? Wake up morons.

So what your saying is Donald Trump, Robert Kiyosaki, & Warren Buffet are wrong? They are all supporters of MLM's. By chance are you a multi-millionaire? Personally, I'd like to take the advice of someone is knows how to money. I've heard this to be a 3-5 year business. Most ppl who do this will not give it this amount of time. Statistically if I stay in a business like this for 10 years, I have a 90% chance of becoming a millionaire. I'll take those odds anyday being that nothing I'm doing right now can make me a millionaire.

That's your problem… you only did it a few months. Someone may have mislead you…this is a 3-5 year business.

Exactly! I completely agree with you!

Do you understand the services being offered? They are services ppl order with or without this company. The only difference is that 9 times out of 10 times ppl save money. So if that would cause ppl to stop being your friend then maybe you don't have good friends to begin with. As far as the opportunity…it's not for everyone. Obviously, not for you and if I were your friend I don't think I would even want someone like you. You sound to be a very unhappy individual and btw, don't tell me you believe everything you read on google. If this company was truely doing anything illegal then why has it been successful for nearly 19 years, in 21 countries, endorsed by a billionaire and several multi-millionaires, A+ rated with the BBB, supported by 5 former district attorneys on their legal board. I believe Mr. Donald Trump's reputation is a little more important then yours!

Ok scam does not mean it's illegal, or it can't be unethical, misleading, or doesn't involve lying to yourself and others to make ACN look like a dream come true. I was in ACN for a year and I never saw a dime. I'm so amazed you found people that had $800 lying around to invest in this crap. Where were you Beverley Hills, Hollywood, does your daddy own a company and you had him market “sucker” his employees? I find that you have to be full of defication that you have had so much luck especially with a recession in the mix. It's cool though I mean you've been completely brainwashed and you won't wake up until you sit and realize how much money your throwing in the toliet. It's so nice of you to give money to the top people of ACN and let them have all the vacations and enjoy your hard efforts. Oh and it's not only $500 that's just for the liscense. You forgot to mention $29.99 a month for the website. Then you also have to be qualified which means you have to have two services. If you buy 2 video phones at $250 or even one that's another $250 to $500 you had to pay for. Then the monthly bill to operate the service…..wow your already at $800-$1000 and you havent even gotten any customers! You need to wake up bro and stop lying to yourself and your friends and family. As for your lawyer comment…..who said lawyers were ethical and don't lie. It's their job to bend, stretch and justify their version of the truth. “What is legal is not always ethical”

Maybe if you get that promotion at Wal-Mart you have been hoping for and you invest your money wisely you can do it. By the way, what does 'someone is knows how to money' mean? Please explain. Obviously being in ACN does not require a real grasp of the english language. Quit defending this scam idiots.

In this article it stated “This article has nothing but good things to say about ACN.

“They provide great services at a great price”

This is what I want when I get involved in a business isn't it???

Okay, So I never worked for ACN before. But when I was 18, just turned 18, I got a job for “Red Cross”. Which much like acn was begging people to join as a representative or getting donations.
I got my a double s out of there after my first day on the job. Because I realized, that those people donating money, were actually giving me half or maximum 20$ of their donation. And here I am telling them “all proceeds go to Red Cross”. And the same went for recruiting members, their donations would pay the recruiters salary, if they made any, and of course whatever membership fees were involved.

Now with respects to ACN. I have a friend who wants to sit down with me and discuss “the business plans” for the company. Telling me “My Father and I started up a Telecom company”. Since he said that, I figured it was legit, until I advised our mutual friend of my great interview, and he directed me here.

These companies prey on unsuspecting individuals. They turn people against their friends. There is no way in hell you are going to succeed. Whomever you are convincing to join will end eventually. Word goes around. Eventually you will exhaust your lists of friends. 2,500 a month in clean cash may sound great, but you're not promised in any sort way to receive this loot. I on the other hand, going to work everyday am promised that pay check every month, plus other incentives, should I do a “great” job.

I think this article fully sums up what this corporation is. I never want to meet anyone of these upliners, as I have a mouthful to shoot their way. Yes, it may not be illegal, as aren't many things that are wrong and cruel in our societies and world. But it does not make it right! There is legality and law, then there is morals.

Sinking 500$ as a membership fee is ridiculous! If you are trying to make money, why would you blow up 500$ so easily? 500$ can feed a family for how long? Put it in a savings bond, earn some interest! Heck if you want to throw money away, donate it to the starving children in the world.

You're better off starting a company in Avon! Even there you'll make more money!!! ahaha! Or try Tupperware! lol! Even that is better, because woman STILL shop there. =/

ACN, you are pathetic, and may God be you're judge.

LOL! Or go bankrupt, Pursuit to Happiness. Sunk his money into some life changing machine, then couldn't sell them.

I'd rather work at Wal-Mart, get my raises, discounts in store, and SAVE money like a wise person would fo. A penny saved, is a penny gained.

Just because something is Legal, doesn't make it right.

It's “legal” to do a lot of things if you dig deep and look into it. There are loop holes everywhere, that's why this ACN corporation is “legal”.

I think people should blog and express their oppinions. At the end of the day it's healthy to express emotions. and it's GOOD to WARN people of these types of scams.

Yes, I can't afford to give 500$ because I have to put food on the table to feed my family, to clothe my children, to pay the bills so they have a home to live in. BUT heyyyyyy!!! this ACN deal may be the thing to give me enough a profit because Ted over here says not having the money is “The best possible reason to start”. Hey money bags, why don't you pass that money on this way, down line?

LOL!

LOVE IT! that's hilarious. EVEN MAKING 145$ part-time a week is ridiculous. I can make that amount at Wal-Mart working a couple or maybe a few shifts!!!

The work involved for 145$ a week, is not worth it. I could do less at wal-mart working part-time and get paid more.

Ya, CEO's, upliners…. hmmm
and there are the idiot rep's who recruit to fill their own pockets. Yippeee! let's manipulate people out of money! And provide a somewhat crappy service? =P

IMO, you're just as bad. You're conning poor people out their money… pushing them into bankruptcy. Pushing them to loose friends, relatives, etc.

Forcing them to loose their dignity. You are pathetic! Yup. I said it!

If something is truly good, I am sure others will see it.
The reason you can't is because you signed up “x” (eh hem TWO) people. Who are you going to sign-up next? You'll need to sign up another couple to get more money and so on and so forth… now that two of your friends are signed up, isn't it harder now to network within your mutual friends circle? Guess you better get yourself out there and sell, sell, sell. Time to make new friends!!!

Ivan, another moron who is buying into this scam. Please quit defending this BS and get back to stealing money from your friends and family members. Get back to us in about 6 months and tell us how much you have made and if you have any friends or family members who will even talk to you. You are just another clone who has been brainwashed to believe that ACN is going to make you some wonderful and successful person . F Donald Trump and you. By the way, I'm not an unhappy person. I just love to come on here and warn innocent people about losers like you and the scam you are all attempting to perpetrate.

I am fairly new to my business too. Three months ago, I started a hosting company and I am now earning over $1500 a month. ACN is not a scam, but good luck making any real money with it.

Take some of that money you stole and buy a dictionary or learn where spell check is on your pc. I've seen 3rd graders with better english and spelling than yours.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
I just came from one of their meeting, i'll not sign up.Never, ever!

I have a friend that has become rich from acn. (I should say the company it was before Donnald Trump bought it) Yes he is rich, Has a great life. Lives in a small town, sells it to everyone. No one is getting rich from this! He keeps selling it though.So please tell me why I should do this? Mr. Trump, I would love for you to tell me!

Dear Guest57: So have you made money with ACN? And if so, how much per month on average?

The problem here which creates so much skepticism is the lack of actual data showing that people make money. Your arguments above are ok, but really no different then the person who just asked me to join. I don't want to hear what I COULD make. I want to hear what people HAVE made at it. Hiding this information just makes it that much more suspicious.

Tom mack: So your reply is to personally attack this person? This seems to confirm my suspicions that this is a business which exploits people and fills the pockets of a few. I am an engineer in the semiconductor business. We make sputtering machines for the chip companies to make your computer and other gadgets. I don't think I could feel good about myself by being rich simply because I talked family and friends out of their money. It appears you can feel good doing this. Different strokes.

yes I agree that attrition kills any opportunity but also you have to look at the fact its not the most people don't like the business model of network marketing its that most of the time its the people who failed at it who says its a Pyramid Scheme as if anyone can name a business where there isn't a person at the top making most of the money and the people at the bottom making the least… Thats Business

ACN has improved my life in so many ways i have hundreds of good people on my team and more than 10% of them make money each and ever month with ACN some make thousands per month I have a 19 year old name John that paid for his full 2011 college tuition with the money he made from ACN
I also have 20 year old named Angel that walked away from his full time factory job becouse
he now makes way more money in ACN than he did workng full time. I also have 2 different people on my team that saved there houses from foreclsure thanks to ACN
Also ACN is going to be on Donald Trumps & NBC Celebrity Apprentice March 2011 for a full 2 hours with 30 million + veiwers 2011 is going to be there biggest year to date and they are a 18 year old company another Big thing that is happening in 2011 is they are launching ENERGY GAS AND ELECTRIC for home and biz this is Huge Big Big bills. The Key to make it in any MLM is to follow there step by step system and never quit and stay away from negitive minded people!!

See You at the TOP!!!!!
Derek
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pro…
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You are 100% right Groze!!!

You two are both missing a massive fact of this business. So say you go ahead and put in your 3-5 years and make a bunch of cash. I'm sure you've seen enough stats to show you that the vast majority of people do not stay in the business that long and do not ever make their initial investment back – you can say it's cuz they gave up, im 90% sure that is why most people dont make it in the business. But lets look at the success stories, the guys who stuck it out, recruited a pile of failures and a few good successes and finally made the money. Inevitable you will find that there is a mountain of people who lost money underneath them. I would absolutely go as far as to say that no great success in ACN has done it without leaving a great many recruits screwed over (i realize based on the comp plan it is theoretically possible to achieve success without leaving people in the negative, but in practice it doesn't occur – remember, its a numbers game and the only way to win is to play along, everyone knows most of their reps will fail and they need to be prepared to move on)

Doesn't it make you feel guilty to know that you really can't do well without making other people do badly? of course you can tell yourself that if those people worked harder and stuck it out longer, they wouldn't get screwed, but they would have just screwed other people… How do you plan to explain this fact of the business? (please explain the fact, don't give any bs examples on how everyone in your team is profitable because that is horse shit..) or you could just tell everyone that you are ok with screwing over most of the people.. i guess that is a reasonable explanation too

yo are u serious? “I do agree with one fact, many people fail in network marketing, but that doesnt mean ANYTHING.” how stupid are you?! so if a new test is introduced in a county required to graduate and 89% of the students fail, dont u think its a bad idea to implement the test? your a moron.

Robert Kiyosaki does not recommend network marketing on the basis of money making. Listen closely to why he recommends it – it's only for personal development. It's almost comical how far out of his way he goes to avoid saying that their is any monetary gain to be had form network marketing. I agree that ACN is a great course in personal development, the issue is they peddle it as a money making business and cause most people to get into it on this premise. The recruiters lie and the company scams people out of their dollars..
If you think that Donald Trump's endorsement is a tribute to the legitimacy of ACN.. you are a brainwashed retard – good luck with that..

Why do you have to lie to these people? You use the typical ACN rhetoric that the rest of the clones use. Why don't you just admit it's nothing more than a pyramid scheme? And of course it's going to be on Celebrity Apprentice because Donald Trump traded his dignity for some cash by putting his name on this scam. And quit whining about the negative people on here. This site is designed to warn innocent people of your stuped little scam. Go find a site defending ACN and post your BS there. Why don't you tell us how many friends and family members who have disassociated themselves from you because you stole their $499? Loser.

Wow! This is an awesome post. Well stated Guest. Derek please do respond to these questions. I can't wait to here the line of BS you are going to throw our way. You better consult with one of your uplines or whatever they call themselves. They can certainly help you craft a response with some more of your ACN catch phrases and MLM rhetoric. Good luck sleeping tonight. Just lay there and think of how many people you screwed to get to the top as you put it in an earlier post. Ahole.

I have read through a lot of these post and quite frankly I'm already worn out. Obviously a lot of people slam ACN but a few on here really praise it, however no one states what kind of income they are making. I think “truth speaker” asked someone what kind of income they had brought in over the months and the person responded but totally avoided the question. The only person I read on here who said they were making money was a newbie named “TD” but he wasn't making anywhere near the thousand range.
I may go to a meeting just to support my friend who invited me (and I'll go with an open mind) but I am pretty convinced this is crap and the top only feeds on the bottom. It sounds like every other pyramid scheme I've heard. When I read “follow the system” I honestly start to cringe a little. If you improve yourself through this but reading and listening to certain speakers…..great. My advice is not waste your time, money, and heart and soul only to be disappointed and just read a lot of books. You will feel better as a person, make better life and business decisions and know that you haven't sunk so low into something that you are embarrassed by the time you actually wise up and get out.

Well I only have one question then. Why would Donald L. Trump personally endorse the company?

hahaha, I think you might be kidding, but just in case.. Obviously he did it for the cash ACN offered him, why else would someone do it? You think he just stumbled upon it, tried to buy it (another bs story some reps push) and then settled for just making a couple commercials? haha the dude knows how to make money, that's all he's doing here. By the time I left ACN even some of the higher up, longer term reps were starting to admit that pushing the donald trump story really wasn't a good way to get people on board. Seems to have worked on you though..

hahaha then good luck making money if you will be choosing someone broke negative and who has no dreams and goals but has the time to sit on the internet and wrote a whole spcheeel about how ACN is a scam…LOSERS

hahaha I so agree with you….what I dont get why is this loser so upset and calling ACN a scam when you only spend $500…what do you have to loose $500?? Well really you havent spend $500 before on stupid shit before?? hahahahahahaha This is soooo enterntaining…ACN ROCKS>..is the BEST BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY IN THE WORLD…there I made my point LMFAO

You the biggest loser I came accross the internet so far! GET A LIFE and stop being broke and putting shit in people's head. In 3 years of my ACN career, I had enough loser like you…and 3 years and 14,000 reps later, I know better not to spend my time on BS like this, but seriously I still today can't beleive how many pathetic worthless people like you are out there…I hope you are a millionaire, or billionaire or gazillionaire by now doing whatever you do….NOT! LMFAO

LOSER

really you think? So let me ask you this, are there more rich people in the world or poor? So you think like the rich or the poor? I think your comment gives it all out? You cannot be rich, rich people don't talk like you. Some of you here sit here and analyze who said what and try to find how many more bad things about ACN you can come up with? Really??? Why ACN You guys will never make it in any business!! 3 words, GET A LIFE

what have you've been drinking, LOSER COCKTAIL….hahahaha
we work so hard to train people never realising that some people may seem normal from outside but they are really either mentally retarded or sick!! Laugh my fucking ass offff ….all the money we put on the table to train new reps, this is what's happening…fucking losers!! Broke ignorant mother fucking losers hahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

christian minded?? I am not christian!! and neither do we molest kids, are you educated buddy?? did you ever go to school? Maybe you are a muslim…or a JEW

hahahahahhahha….BORING, come up with a new fucking story

maybe you are the guy that tried to rape my sister at the ACN meetings? I remember you!

My dear, don't even waste your breath on these losers here. What do you think? the co-founders care! Why should you? I am just having fun here, seeing how many mentally retarded people are out there.

why dont you give me your information, you were in jail last year for raping your mother….hahahahahahaha

Ivan, dont waste your breath on mentally retarded people here, just have fun with them…these are the people that work in telemarketing or some kind of 'enegineer' or 'project manager' or even a door to door sales rep…..they live on a different planet, they have no personal growth integrity etc. its sickenning how every weekend some of us take out money out of our pocket to provide training for these people….dont waste your breath.

your name should be truth speaker hence I am broke….truth speaker my asssssssss HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

WHAT??? $500??? really you are that broke?? invest $500!! ACN IS NOT FOR YOU,
PEOPLE– get this straight, I am tired and I cant read this bullshit anymore….okay, all you negatives asses, ACN IS NOT FOR BROKE PEOPLE…we, or me I only have RICH reps in my team hence the 14,000 reps in 3 years……if you are broke and worry about $500 this BUSINESS IS NOT FOR YOU!!!

come on dont prove yourself anymore dummer than you are…STOP and get it straigt….move on with your lives why are you people so miserable, if this didnt work its not for you…its not for you its not for you …GETIT??????

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! seriously!! This is bullshit…you guys are miserable! I can't beleive what a shame for US and canada….some people accross the continent are dying to come here, and I am ashmaed of the new educated people that come to our country to deal with people like you!!!
If you are a business owner Douglas, how much money did you make in the first year of your business? and if you are an employee….STAY AN EMPLOYEEE THIS BUSINESS IS NOT FOR YOU!!! I dont understand which people in ACN go after people like you, dont they do pre-screeing interview before they sign up reps??? CUZ I DO, and because of this!! YOU LOSER!! hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

MORONIC MOTHER FUCKER

because he's BROKE and BROKE MINDED…I am talking about who calls himself truth speaker but really prob a broke looser who drives a suped up Honda civic and thinks he's soooo coooll LOL

loser loves loser LOL

Finally someone educated and bright.

why do you lie to people is my question??? Are you on Zanax?? You are the sicckest person here

no one gets a penny out of $499, LOL
WOW, did you finish high school? what was your last grade, you are like ridiculously uneducated my friend, I just came back from a humatarian trip from Africa, your situation worries me. You are in a much worse place than those kids I just worked with

YOU ARE A MORONIC LOOOOSER!!! hahahahah I made my point HAHAHAHAHA

OH….JOURNALISM!! yaya…so you made nothing back yet from what you had spend on your masters? Where do you want to go with your journalism degree…sit on the street? A lot of my friends have masters degrees in jounalism, and they are at home living with their parents
LOL

BTW I have a PHD and ummmm, I was really broke when I started ACN years ago…PHD didnt take me much further!

where is this sex offenders coming from?? You people are some serious criminals man, tafy how long have you've been in jail? BTW what do you do online all day besides writting nasty things about ACN, molest kids on from facebook??

Notice how people that are in ACN that are for ACN are not half as rude as some of these miserable people with nasty attitude. That should tell you a lot about our ACN business. I am just really at 'awe' that people are so mean…LOL I just found this site by fluke and I am laughing at the immaturity of some of these people who claim to be educated!! *surprised look*

LOOOSER

crimal how many kids have molested so far? Why dont you give us your information . which business are you involved in? I'd like to know, How much money are you making? do u in a mansion or a shit hole, do you drive a beemer and I mean 600 series and up or you drive a suped up honda civic? Why dont you give me ur informaiton? did you graduated high school? are you a bisexual or homo>??? fucking jackass. before you put my business down, think about it….how you treat is exactly how people treat you back i bet. You are one fucking miserable CUNTO

First of all, this is business. If you open up a restaurant, it will cost you to pay rent and your materials. and thats where the 499 is from. and FYI! ACN is gonna be on NBC CELEBRITY APPRENTICE ON MARCH 27,2011!

Is spell check broke on your pc?

Tom- You bring a lot of good points except the Motorola is coming back now:) , I would save money to buy Motorola xoom than pay 500 dollars plus extra services to ACN, plus you go do a lot of things these days with smart phone, tablets, etc…who in the world wants expensive video phone? it is so sad, my close friend keep bugging me to join, but i keep saying let me buy motorola xoom or ipad 2

I am glad you bring this up-there is only reason ACN will fail with technology is rapidly changing every 6 months, example, iphone4 is coming out last year, amazing face time, question why would i need ACN phone? again, this iphone, ipad, android, and a lot of smart phones are coming out with a really good deal, that you almost don't need landline phone anymore, i m just sorry for people who are really motivated for selling their staff, ( again what r they selling technically?) …thanks!

You would if you have a good product, what is actually ACN products? what is ACN sellings? Worldgate Communications Inc is traded in penny stock, meaning is over the counter useless staff…this is the age of technology, iphone, ipad, android, motorol xoom, OMG, can't name it anymore…please save your money to buy brand new ipad 2 or motorola xoom coming out soon, video chat with 4G technology…plus much more than that…( i m just sad i lost a friend because i refused her sat ACN meeting, she told me that she will retired in 3 years while i am working my as off the rest of my life)…good luck you all!!!

Some interesting NEW ARGUMENTS added to the article above in the section: The Saddest Part of the ACN Scam

I love the odds, so many non believers and quitters out there. God Bless all of you! It is a wide open highway up here, making so much money and saving all of my customers so much money. ACN is the greatest deal out there. To all of you out there that have fear and read about the ignorant skeptics out there…..just to get to success, you have to go through the garbage (listening to all of these blogs) We have to love the ignorant and cruel non believers, without them we would not have the people to wash our cars, repair our roads, prepare our taxes, represent us in court, sell us homes…etc…etc..etc.
YES, it is very very very very hard work!!! 2 years working ACN hard, but now the residual income coming in is the sweetest rewards one can ever imagine.
Remember, success comes at a cost, be prepared do do what the average person would not do and be strong, persistent and go after your dreams and goals with passion. The average person will believe these negative bloggers.
You WILL find success in ACN, just don’t quit, ever. Also, once you buy into the opinions of others, you buy into their lifestyles.
I choose to buy into the opinions of Donald Trump and Robert Robert kiyosaki and NBC. We will again be featured on NBC this March 27th.
http://www.acnprimetime.com/
Put this in perspective, if all of these ignorant people were right……do you think we should let NBC and Donald Trump in on this scam……really??
Be strong ACN reps and prospects!!! ACN works, I promise you that!!!

You stupid ACN racist idiot. Why don't you take your hate somewhere else. I'm sure you have lots of your other ACN morons you can spew your hatred with. They are all used to hanging out with thieves, racists, and child molesters.

Top feeding off the bottom? Kind of like a JOB??

are you the cute asian that let me drive her white beamer to kinkos because you didnt know where it was? even though you had to go there to make copies of the paperwork for 3 of my other friends you just signed up?

hey my friend thats trying to pitch this bs on me sold 5 points of junk for acn and has a residual income of probably 4 cents, and i dont know where your 1000 dollar bonus came from cause i thought those were only for singing up new reps? and in order to get a 1000 bonus you need your reps to be selling more then 5 points of crap too.

hey dumbass were not saying our jobs arent pyramids, but we are guarenteed paychecks, and i know how much work i am being paid for, how much im being paid for it, and how much i am paying in taxes and that crap, your pyramid guarentees you will be paying someone above you money. ive never given my boss any money, even after breaking her bed.

i use plan b so that if i get carried away my girl wont get pregnant, are you saying acns miracle company can stop pregnancy, hell ya im in this company sounds absolutly perfect for a college kid like me.

way to be resilient and never give up, your just like my syphilis.

a long

You sound so intelligent with your racist slurs and your hatred of anybody that does not believe that ACN is nothing more than a scam. Why don't you tell us how much money you make with ACN. Why don't you tell us how many people you have alienated because you scammed them out of $499. Go ahead and tell us the only people who will even talk with your loser ass is your upline. And the only reason he will talk with you is because your stupid ass is lining his pockets with money. F you Gizmo. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Take some of the money you are stealing from people and take an english class you uneducated moron. I've seen 3rd graders with a better grasp of the english language than you. And who uses the word 'hence' as much as you? By the way, most of us do 'GET IT'. You are a stupid crook and ACN is a ridiculous scam. Now go enroll at your local community college and learn our language.

Yeah, you really made your point. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

More MLM/ACN bullshit rhetoric. The way you speak about ACN makes me think this is almost cult like. Do they brainwash you morons at these millionaire's club meetings where guests are free and reps have to pay $10. Did you pay your $150 for the big national convention yet? What business on earth charges their reps to go to sales seminars???? Legitimate companies want their sales people to learn and prosper at the cost of the company. They don't need to scam money out of their own employees pockets. Quit defending this ridiculous scam and quit using Donal Trump as your spokesmodel. He's nothing more than white collar crimminal who simply put his name on this joke for a couple of bucks.

Please learn our language before you post on here again. And give up the name calling and the racist bullshit. Go back to work stealing from your friends and family memebers.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I don't think you're an ACN representative. I think you're a sad, angry little man who has nothing better to do than try to join in grownup conversation for the sole self-serving thrill of antagonizing people. You exhist in a lonely place.Have you failed to notice that no one here has really tried to engage you in any meaningful conversation? It's because you lack character and believability,much like a five year old who throws tantrums to get attention. I am responding to you in hopes that you will seek professional help before you choke to death on your self importance. And on the ODD chance you actually are an ACN rep., your conduct on this site has been more than enough to disuade people from joining for the simple reason of NOT wanting to work with people like you.I'm sure you will salivate at the chance to slam me in some way that will have you grinning at the computer screen like the idiot that you are,but that's ok, knock yourself out.I won't engage you after this post because I have no desire to waste any more time on you, in fact I'm a little displeased with myself for having spent this much. Just for kicks, I'm wealthy and attractive but most importantly, I'm a well liked person. Maybe someday…you can be one too:)

Woo Hoo!!!!! Celebrity Apprentice. I wonder how they are going to put a spin on this scam??? I'm amazed they even mention the name ACN. When I got suckered into going to one of the 'presentations' my friend said he could not even tell me the name of the company prior to attending the meeting. I wonder why it's such a big secret??? All they could tell me it was for this exciting new technology. Really? A stupid video phone. Big deal. And just like every other ACN clone on here your english is horrible. Spend some of your cash on an english class.

I own a very successful software company that has some intrinsic value to society. We protect children from sexual predators like your buddy Randy Taft. Myself and my co-workers enjoy what we do and it is an honest business unike the path you have taken in life. Stealing from friends and family members. And there is no way you have a PHD. Your english is horrible. You do seem to know alot about living in your parents basement though.

Wow! I'm reading this post and then looking at the one just below where you call me a MORONIC LOOOOOOSER!!!! Just doesn't make any sense to me. You are really saying that the ACN supporters on here are not rude? And you are laughing at the immaturity of the ACN haters on here. Your better look in a mirror my disillusioned friend. Oh crap, I didn't mean to call you my friend. I meant moron.

This was one of your more educated posts Gizmo. do u in a mansion or a shit hole? What does that mean? Did you graduated high school? Again, what are you trying to say? And what is a CUNTO? And I think your obsession with asking everyone if they drive a suped up honda is really you projecting your own self-image. I have a BMW X5. So go ahead and tell us what year Honda Civic you are driving. It's nothing to be embarrassed about as long as you don't have one of those big over-sized mufflers and a tail fin. There I made my point HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Why do you end most of your posts with that anyway???

Dumb ass. It's 'lose $500' not 'loose $500'. It's 'have not spent $500' not 'havent spend $500'. And the word entertaining is not spelled enterntaining. Come on buddy this is 5th grade english at it's best. And your use of the cap lock makes your final statement so credible. There I made my point again. HAHAHAHAHA.

it's fine when this happens in Rogers or Bell or some other company you know but it's not ok if it's coming from the company that you aren't familiar with and had a nagged in feeling signing up with … wow real advice … thanks!

Hello All,
I know one of the top representatives of ACN Franco Lofranco.
Franco approached me for the ACN opportunity some years ago, about 6.
At that time he and I sat in a restaurant and discussed the opportunity and the amount it cost to invest in this business ($499). I declined, given at that time, I didn't have $499 to invest.
Last year, 2010 I met up with Franco and have seen his amazing financial results, he earns 6 figures a month and is looking at purchasing a corporate jet.
Now, I bought into the ACN business a few years after Franco and I talked, and I don't make any money 3 years later…yes, 0 and I am not angry about that in anyway. Regardless of the ACN training, I am clear that my success at everything I do comes from me taking it on with everything I've got. My heart isn't in selling phone service and Franco's is, that's why he makes 6 figures a month.
I am still friends with him and the people that introduced me to ACN, even though I spent 499 and made nothing.
Is it a scam? – I don't know
Does it take being in action and giving it all I've got to be successful? – yes
Can I repair damaged relationships if my ACN friends fail? – yes
The bottom line, try many things, invest in many things, have some of them fail and have some of them be successful but don't spend your time being angry with others about your level of success, that's like eating the poison and then hoping the rat dies.
Give it all you've got in all of your ventures!

ACN is just like any investment in having an opportunity to make extra income for your home. I find the statements in this article very conflicting… You stated ” instead of investing 500 dollars into a potential tax break, you could do so in something that is 1/10 less than 500 dollars? Is this writer serious???!!! The American way is to get married have kids and send them to college that will run you 30,000 a year in hopes of them starting a business, getting a job, etc. Now a days people with Masters degrees with loans of 250,000 dollars and excess cant find employment that will payoff their initial investments! People just think they could write anything about a company! Your probably a bitter person who was approached by a family member or friend encouraging you to join the ACN family, bashed them and then watched them reached levels you did not know could be possible; and now your pissed! Well… Good luck to you I hope article writing pays your bills!

Are you serious, you think that giving a person the opportunity to save money on their monthly bills that these big business corps are charging people per month are not predators? Why don't you think about it like this…. an ACN rep has the opportunity to give a free phone to families who have been abused or are in an abusive situation so they can call for help for an affordable discounted rate per month. You are a company that is charging people for information that should already be free to the public silly. You should reevaluate your stance.

First of all, you know nothing about our business so for you to question us about charging people for information that is available for free is silly. Secondly, I'm not sure anyone is really saving money by using ACN as their telecommunications broker. I've read a bunch of posts on here saying they are paying more and the customer service is non-existent. There are some post on here saying it is nearly impossible to end the contract. Show us some proof people are saving money. I don't really think anyone can. Lastly, my biggest problem with ACN is they don't really appear to be that interested in actually selling these services. The presentation I attended was completely focused on recruiting new reps and collecting the almighty $499. If you read my post clearly the ACN rep that lead our presentation said he had only ever sold 40 accounts and had 16,000 reps underneath him. That sure sounds like a pyramid scheme to me.

I recently signed on to ACN. Man, I'm out $500. Why? I work with Contractors who throw me a lot of work. They called me up and asked if I looked of other ways of making money in addition to what I always do. Of course, I said yes. New technology. Yeah, I'm an idiot I suppose. I went and saw and joined. I joined to keep food on the table. I'm not even qualified yet. What is qualifying? I have to have 5 POINTS to qualify. That means I have to sign up for 3 services (preferred services) before I can start signing other people up for services, and make any money. See, if you give them $500 you get a license. O.K., now I'm in business, but if I'm not qualified I can't make money. I have to sign up for services I don't need , like direct tv or dish, or adt, or computer support , or local and long distance. Each service counts as so many points. If I'm not qualified, whoever I sign up as a customer or rep, whatever monies come in goes to the people above me. I won't host a single PBR because the people above me will get their money and I won't get squat. I'll get an attaboy and some bs conversation. I knew this was a scam from the beginning and I'm sorry I had to pay money to keep my jobs going. I thought the people I worked for were my friends and smarter than me. I was wrong. They got sucked in probably for the same reason, they needed to keep their relationships going and couldn't say no. I hope ACN burns in hell. I could've done alot of things with that $500 plus the $149 it cost to enter their NC conference . What a load of crap the conference was. I watched a bunch of people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire get treated like celebrities cause they've ripped off hundreds of people.
What gets me the most is all the hitches that come with their services. They make it impossible to sell the service. They tell you we do internet, wireless, home security, computer services, wifi, you name it. They don't have cell phones (yet). They only have wifi in certain cities. They don't do internet in most places. ADT is the same deal from ADT. To use the video phone you have to use their local and long distance plan. Get this, if you don't already have a local and long distance carrier you can't sign up for their plan. Its all a bunch of hype folks. They can wipe their slimy arses with my $500. I didn't sign up to rip people off , and I won't compromise my integrity for anyone, no matter how much money you have. I know one thing for certain, you can't buy your way into Heaven. I could make a fortune if the things they say are true. They are lying in a legal way. Its the same to me. I met over a hundred empty people at the conference. You can polish a turd all you want, but it still stinks. I almost purchased phones for a number of family members before I saw the requirements for the Local and long distance plan. Everyone I know , regardless of income, uses cellphones, unless they have a fax line in their home. The slimiest part is that you don't find out all the hitches until you are signed up and they have your $500. I'm going to see If I can cancel the initiation fee and the business assistant @$30.00 a month before I post back. I'll let you know how that goes. My wife is sick, I'm sick and these people belong in prison. I could've fed a lot of starving kids with that money, and come out better. Please, if you're thinking of joining this racket, don't. I know the company inside now , and it is filthy. I'm not edifying a single friggin person on earth that doesn't deserve it, and you know what? If a person is worth edifying, they don't need it, that person is already shining and edifying God. They should call it Defying. Thats really what they are doing, lying about each towards a common goal, getting another sucker.

I met Franco as well. Well dressed, well spoken, and seamingly a nice gentleman. The problem I found with Franco was that he has been brainwashed into thinking that what he is doing helps people. Arrogance just spewed form him in every way. Sure its nice to have money and nice things. Sure , its great to take someone out of poverty and make them financially secure, if its the right way. What is the right way? If what you're doing is right with ACN , why do you have to learn a script that is misleading from the beginning? Why do you have to lure people in to something vaguely? Why can't you just tell the truth from the beginning? Because, the process is a lie. The services are a lie, the support is a lie. The telling your downline that the $500 goes to supporting you in your endeavor. The majority of the money goes to bonuses they send back down called customer acquisition bonuses called CABS. The percentages are divide up and then trickle down. It is a legal pyramid scheme, but it will never be moral. I don't hate Franco for who he is and what he does. I don't like him as a person, because he is coachable, trainable, and a sell out to mankind.

Its not whether you make it, its how you make it. I can make you a fettuccine Alfredo. If I make it with crap ingredients and processed chicken it will not be good. Now, what if I serve your fettuccine with spaghetti instead of fettuccine? What if my advertisement says fettuccine? Are you going to be pissed you were mislead? ACN just changed alot of guidelines for this reason. They were lying and are close to being indicted. They even act like they have an attorney general on board to edify themselves. Everyone they have is a former someone who should be investigated in depth by the IRS for past business practices while in office. The biggest sign is that Donald Trupm is a so called sponsor. He is paid for every word he says and photo opportunity for ACN. That isn't a sponsor. That is the guy on the infomercial that has the caption under him stating he is a paid actor that endorses the product and / or service. Another loophole user, loser. Money doesn't make you a winner, honesty and integrity are the ingredients of a winner. Not a bank account. You can't buy your way into Heaven, but you can pay for front row seats in Hell.

Love this post!!!!! One of the most well thought out and well spoken blogs on here. This whole scam is nothing more than a pack of lies. And this whole Celebrity Apprentice b-s is nothing more than Donald Trump selling his soul for some more money. My best friend just called me and said he is invited to a 'presentation' this week by this fraud John Melton who will look you straight in the eye and lie to your face and then harass you and claim you are ignorant for not wanting to become a millionaire. John Melton I may come to this presentation, with all of your phoney plants (Tim Straub) who all claim to be making thousands of dollars a week, and kick your scrawny little ass. You are a crook and all the people you are frauding out of their money all hate you. Your are a loser and you will eventually end up in jail with Bernie Madoff or at least end up in hell for stealing all of these peoples dreams you fake asshole. See you Thursday. You won't know who I am but you should be very nervous you fake asshole.

Nice job my friend. Everything you stated is true. This is a scam. The guys perpetrating this scam should end up in jail just like Bernie Madoff. You will lose your money and your dignity if you fall for this. You will be hated by your friends and family members. You won't make a penny and you will end up lonely and hated. Builds4kids, you have ten days to get your money back by contract. I hear it is a pain staking process but please do not let these crooks steal your hard earned money. Please keep all of us informed on the progress of your refund. Thanks for exposing this fraud. Oh, and F you John Melton and Donald Trump. Like I said in a previous post, if I accidently end up in hell I will definitely see you both there. See you Thursday John.

Don't worry about it, the technical term for what he's doing is “splitting”. It's commonly found in people with Borderline Personality Disorder and cult members.

I've recently noticed that the ACN supporters or defenders on this site post a quick note bashing all of us who know this is a scam and then never post again. Are they still waiting for their first big residual check that never comes. Did they go to the national conference that they had to pay to attend and realize it was nothing more than a bunch of phonies pounding their chests lying about all the money they made. Have they realized the only people left in their lives that will still talk to them are their uplines and the only reason they still talk with them is they are perpetuating the lie hoping to get into more pockets of hard working people? Have they realized that cheesy video phone is old news and that ACN can't even offer cellular contracts in certain parts of the country? Has anyone else wondered these same thoughts??? Come on ACN defenders what do you have to say to these statements??? I'm really wondering where those 3 idiots Gizmo, Tom Mack, and Guest 57 went to?

Where are you Gizmo??? I'm running out of people to make fun of. Hopefully you took my advice and are taking that english class. Good for you. Study hard and come back and impress us with your new grasp of a language you obviously don't currently understand.

Hey dumb ass, You don't have to sign up for services before you can sign up others. You just have to sell services enough to make 5 points to get qualified. Know your facts before posting!

and good luck trying to hang on to your 5 pts. as the service is non existant. by the way they have uped the pts. you need.hope you got smart patrick91411 and left them.

Your saying that Verizon, Dish, Sprint, Direct TV, ADT, ect.. is non existant? What grounds are you speaking on? 5 points I did my first day.

Typical ACN defender response. Lashing out, name calling, hatred of anyone who has not been tricked into falling for this scam. Almost everything but the racial slurs. His grammar is suprisingly good. Are you sure you are really an ACN rep? Why don't you tell us how much money you have made with ACN Patrick. My prediction is we will never hear from Patrick again.

I was in for about a year and a half. I got my people qualified and got 38 customers within the first 30 days. I made my initial investment back however what I spent in time and resources completely outweighed the return. The hype and energy the company uses to get you motivated was invaluable and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I learned a lot about positive thinking and hard work but with that being said the people that are making big money are not being transparent. By the time your head clears and smoke settles you can actually sit down and think rationally without all the emotionally driven hype. The people at the bottom of the pyrimid are ignorant and the people at the middle are in denial. The people at the top know exactly what they are doing and are money driven period. They preach good morals and business principal but they know the numbers better than anyone and know only a select few are making enough money to get by. Legally its legit but if you review the facts, the real facts and not stories you will see its not ethical and not worth it as a business option. If you have what it takes to be very successful in can then you can be successful at something more legit that offers an actual product with actuall residual income. There is no profit margin in phone and utilities etc. If you can understand that then you can understand that based on the percentage you get is fractions of a percent and to get residuals that are impressive you have to demographically own a large portion of a very large city. If your that good then you should be in a company that will make you millions while helping your comunity have jobs so they can support their families too. Acn is not a win win financialy. Its a win/lose times 200 or more. But like I said I wouldt have traded it for anything. I learned what its like to dream again and you can't put a price on that. But people deserve to know all angles and make an informed decision. Its very unnatractive once you can see the facts that are hidden from you

Charley, thanks for the informed and truthful post! So you got 38 customers within the first 30 days right? How did you make your initial ivestment back? Through the contracts or through recruiting new members? The way it sounds from most of the posts on here is there are only pennies of residual per contract so I'm assuming you made the $499 back from other people below you donating their $499. I use the word dontating because that's what this seems to be all about. There is currently a mad scramble in Harrisburg, PA by this guy from Baltimore who is convincing local people to throw these 'presentations' or 'parties' on almost a weekly basis. I've been invited to 3 in the last month! Anyone that knows anything about business knows that a small demographic such as Harrisburg will not sustain 40 or 50 reps out pitching cellular and cable service, especially when every single person I know already has a cell phone contract they probably can't get out of, they are already using Comcast, and they have no interest in that cheesy ass video phone (because yahoo messenger is free) so if this crook from Baltimore is getting 10 to 15 people a week to sign up for this scam, who is really selling any of the so-called services. The software company I own has one rep organization per state and some of our resellers have multi-state regions. The math just does not add up, but the parties go on and on. Please be truthful with us, and I'm sure you will because your post seemed very sincere about your experience with ACN, and tell us how much money the recruiting process puts in your pocket. I'm going to bet over 90%. And if by chance I'm right it sure seems to me that the percentage of legitimate income versus the pyramid aspect of this scam should certainly make this b-s borderline illegal. Can't wait to read your response!

Yesterday i saw people walking around with acn goodie bags and badges and it gave me some bad memories!! I lost my best friend to acn! All because i wouldnt join acn as a rep and customer to make her money! Some friend!! Offered my support and friendship but that wasnt enough! Everything went downhill from then on. I watched my ex mate quite her dream career for acn suddenly gets chronic fatigue to get a lrave of absence from her real job to go preach acn around the country. Acn is a cult that brain washes people! do not join acn it ruins peoples lives! Including ur own. This girl went from a Corp position where the company has Now black dotted her name for breaching company policy by faking illness and doing other work earning a income while they hold her position for 12mths….. To a receptionist at a local chiropractic clinic….. She still believes acn will make her 200k a month!!! people who join acn are lazy and stupid looking for the quickest way to make money with little effort possible. My suggestion is this: work hard 'in' your job or buy a lotto ticket you'll have more luck there then u would ever have with acn!!

Yes, I signed up. Unfortunately, sadly, I am told I will not get my money back….I have made 0 $$$'s, and signed up none of my “friends” Out $500, economy down gas prices up. I am currently unemployed.

It is my understanding, from my friend who got suckered into this, you have a ten day period after you sign the contract to get your money back. He said it is a real pain in the *** but it sounds like you really need that money back. Please don't let these crooks get away with stealing your money.

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Donald Trump only gets involved in things where he can line his own pockets and then run. He's constantly starting up mlm, putting himself at the top and then exiting when they crash and burn. He's been bankrupt countless times. He's a liar and only out for himself. He doesn't care how many he hurts.

Kind of like projecting his horrible self image on to others so he feels better about his miserable life in his parents basement and his souped up Honda?

Donald Trump should be jailed for promoting ACN. An EX friend of mine drank the ACN cool aide. ACN has destroyed his life. He had a somewhat successful business until he got involved with ACN. He took everything ACN told him to heart and badgered everyone he knew to join.

ACN made him hate what he did for a living ( I'm nothing but a slave to these people. These people are getting rich off me. etc. etc.) His work went downhill due to his attitude. His long time customers dropped him because he was more interested in pitching ACN than bidding on the job. His girlfriend left him because she got tired of supporting him and paying for him to go to the brain washing conventions. She did not appreciate him preying on her friends either.

He couldn't afford to pay the rent without his girlfriend, so his landlord kicked him out.

ACN has taught him to be a liar. They told him in order for him to be rich, he needs to act rich. So he has bought things he can't afford. He tells people how busy or important he is and how he will try to fit them in his schedule. He will tell anyone anything he thinks they want to hear to get them to join. I have caught him in so many lies, I can't believe anything the man says anymore.

He has sold his soul because his ACN friends have told him he will be rich beyond his wildest dreams if he just does what they tell him to do.

At the ACN meetings they tell him most people quit right before they would have succeeded. Success is right around the corner. Try harder. ACN has poisioned his mind. People who try to tell him ACN is a scam are his enemies, they just don't want him to succeed.

ACN is like a cult. I have never seen a mlm like it. Their high pressure sales tactics and dishonesty is criminal.

This guy I know is now homeless and has lost everything. ACN preyed on his greed and how gullible he is.

Please if you have to time to be on the computer do you research. Donald Trump obviously did his reseach and that why he is making money. Dont be a hater because you dont have the time to work hard to make real money.

Obviously did doing any of his training the was offered on website. People need to take responsibility for their failures or giving up. By the way i have other businesses and it cost over $6000 to get a liquor license that is just one investment into my business. There are many more investments into my business. So $500 is nothing to invest. Its investing your time that makes you money. I sure a night out cost more then $100 to drink and party with your friends. Five nights out $500 or $500 investing in yourself. I took the risk. No regrets. Seriously people need to stop bitching about $500 its not like thousands of dollars and I am sure everyone of else have spent $500 on something foolish or one night or even one hour at the casino. Maybe if people put as much effort in complaining into working and being successful they wouldnt be so bitter. You make your own path and failure is what you people have choosen. Noboby ever said money comes easy you have to work hard for it. Look at your parents they know the true meaning of working hard for their money. welcome to the lazy and entitled generation.

If you would like to know how much I make from ACN? First answer me this what do you do for a living and tell how much you make? Then I will be happy to answer your question. By the way did your parents ever teach u it is rude to ask someone how much they make and that is their personal information. Ask you boss or ask anyone you dont know how they make and let me know how they responded to you. People have their own opnions and thats great but dont be a hayer because it did work for you. Maybe your married or have a partner and it doesnt work out. Do you put the person through the mud because it didnt work out or do you move on? In a relationship they are always two sides and difference of opnions. At the end of the day its called being honest with yourself and realize that both are responsible for the outcome that relationship. You move on and realize that person wasnt for you but that person is for someone else. Just like this business it may not be for you but it may be for someone else. Failure can either make you better or allow you to fall in the blame everyone else trap. P.S. Through just my businesses, home and parents I stated off my first week with 21pts. If you like to know how I will be more then will to tell you.

Sorry about spelling errors I sure you will pick them out. I fixed them for you spelling is not my great strengtht especially at 2am

• If you would like to know how much I make from ACN? First answer me this what do you do for a living and tell how much you make? Then I will be happy to answer your question. By the way did your parents ever teach u it is rude to ask someone how much they make and that is their personal information? Ask your boss or ask anyone you don’t know how they make and let me know how they responded to you. People have their own opinions and that’s great but don’t be a hater because it didn’t work for you. Maybe you’re married or have a partner and it doesn’t work out. Do you put the person through the mud because it didn’t work out or do you move on? In a relationship they are always two sides and difference of opinions. At the end of the day its called being honest with yourself and realize that both are responsible for the outcome that relationship. You move on and realize that person wasn’t for you but that person is for someone else. Just like this business it may not be for you but it may be for someone else. Failure can either make you better or allow you to fall in the blame everyone else trap. P.S. Through just my businesses, home and parents I stated off my first week with 21pts. If you like to know how I will be more then will to tell you.

What do you for a living since you have a college degree? Calling people dorks and losers and putting people down you must of learned in 101 BITCH CLASS in college. By the way did mommy and daddy pay for your college education or did you work hard for and are still paying off your loan for college? Do you have you own business? How much do you make for a living? Wait for a response!!!!

Mishie. Shut up. Learn proper grammar. And go away from this site. This site is about warning people of the ACN scam. None of us are here to defend Donald Trump. It's unethical he would even put his name on this scam.

ACN obviously does not require a spelling and grammar test. And I did not ask you I asked Patrick. Even your apology stinks. Learn english ACN supporters!!!! Oh, and my parents taught me lots of things. One of them was don't take advantage of friends and family members by luring them into a multi-level marketing scam. Again, go away.

All very true. ACN preys on the weak minded and financially desperate people in this world. They are predatory, money hungry vultures who will lie right to your face for a chance at your $499 sign-up fee. All of you ACN supporters who visit this site and bash anyone who has not fallen victime to this scam should quit lying to themselves and others. This is a scam. You will not make any money at it. You will alienate your friends and family members from your life. No one in ACN is really interested in selling their crappy services or that stupid video phone. And the moment you run out of suckers willing to write a check for $499 ACN will toss you aside like a piece of garbage. And quit using Celebrity Apprentice and Donald Trump as your sales pitch. Everyone knows Donald Trump would sell his own soul for the right amount of money. Actually, he probably already has.

Truth Speaker….You coward! I have been reading through a lot of these posts and I must say that you seem to be the biggest liar out of anyone. Is ACN a scam, it really doesn’t matter, all though I believe they are not based on my research. What is more concerning to me is you say that you do work for schools to keep predators away from children (some security software I believe is what you said you do).
If you really did this type of work to keep predators away from children (and I highly doubt that you do) then you would know that one of the first things you don’t do is expose people’s names and locations, regardless of your feelings for them, not to mention the fact that it’s slander.
You arrogant person! You post people’s names like it’s nothing, don’t post your own name or location, make threats and rude comments about people and their wives and then won’t even take responsibility for any of your actions.
It’s easy to sit back in your little world and say bad things but don’t mention people’s names, that’s just idiotic!
And on a side note, did you ever go to that meeting where you said you were going to kick some guy’s ass? Bet you didn’t show and if you did I bet you got your own butt kicked!

They are worse than vultures! These guys even went after my 80 year old neighbor!! He has dementia, diabetes and can hardly walk. I'm afraid he will lose his legs. I told them if I saw them over at my neighbor's again, I would call senior protective services. My EX friend got really mad and told me they were only trying to help my neighbor. He told me how legitimate ACN is. He then went on about how anyone can succeed if they follow their program. I was just jealous!!

I guess I scared them because I have not seen them back there. My best guess is my ex friends handler has a criminal record.

Donald Trump has no morals. How many times has he filed for bankruptcy? I've lost count. How many wifes? I've lost count of that too. What really bugs me is when they say Warren Buffett endorses them. NOT TRUE. Warren Buffett bought Pampered Chef which is a mlm company. He does not endorse ACN.

These idiots should try researching some of the “facts” they love to spew. They are probably the same ones who forward those stupid email chain letters.

Actually those chain letters ( you know the ones- forward this to 20 of your friends and you will be richly rewarded) make more sense than ACN.

Ok genius let's take a peek at the true definition of slander. The oral utterance or spreading of falsehoods harmful to another's reputation. Libel is written; slander is spoken. What I'm doing would lean towards libel. But, I am not spreading lies. When somone makes a public statement in front of 20 people like, 'I have 16,000 people beneath me and I have only ever sold 40 accounts. Shucks, I don't even know how the video phone works. Sure some may call this a pyramid scheme, but when my phone rings it says cha-ching not ring ring.' Oh I added in the 'shucks' part to try and make this as humorous as your post. That, my friend, is not libel. When the world news broke the Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme story did they state, 'The largest ponzi scheme ever perpetrated was masterminded by a guy we think may be called Bernie Madoff.' No sir, they stated, 'Bernie Madoff was taken into custody today for being the mastermind of the biggest ponzi scheme ever perpetrated in this country.' Do you see the difference???? Bernie Madoff was the perpetrator of the biggest ponzi scheme ever. Did it harm his reputation? You're damn right it did. Is Bernie Madoff suing ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News, or CNN for slander. No he is not because it is a true statement. And you are right, I did not go to the meeting and kick anyone's ass. That would be illegal. Get your facts straight before you post anymore nonsense. Oh, and your statement, 'I highly doubt you do' was well written. That would never be construed as libel because you used the word doubt. Well done.

Ok genius, how do you figure this guy is a crook. You have mentioned nothing about how this is true. So what if the guy has 16,000 people beneath him and only sold 40 accounts. Why is that a problem? Is there something in the rules of Multilevel Marketing that says you can't do it this way? How does that make him a crook? What has he done wrong?

You mention that he had plants at this one meeting you went to, I assume you know this gentleman that you say was a “plant”. How else would you know if he doesn't make thousands of dollars a week, like you say he doesn't?

People like you make me laugh. You assume stuff but never back it up with facts. You must not be happy with the success in your life so you have to lash out at other people who “might” be doing well. Where are your facts? I’ve read your posts and I see no facts, just assumptions and a bunch of BS coming from you. Just because this company is an MLM doesn’t make it bad, it’s just a business like any other business. From what I read it seems like all they do is sell services that you might use every day, like a cell phone, satellite TV and stuff like that. Gee, that just seems like it is a good thing to do, no pills to sell, just get paid on stuff I already use. Doesn’t seem to harmful to me. Even if I would sign up for $500 bucks, so what, it still doesn’t make it a guarantee that I’m going to get rich. There isn’t anything that guarantee’s you that, monetarily speaking!
I also read that this company gives money to the Ronald McDonald charity, like millions of dollars. I guess that must be a lie to in your little world. Seems to me that would be a good thing, but I don’t see you mention that at all, guess you were never coddled as a child and need this type of forum to make up for it. So sad.

Oh and you say you didn't go to the other meeting, guess you are just one of those hot airs types, figures!

This company hides behind the clever facade of being a telecommunications company. They don't really care if you ever sell a contract. All they care about is recruiting. That seems a bit criminal to me. And as I stated in a previous post the services they do sell have non-existent customer service and the contract starts out low and then gradually goes up over the course of the contract. That seems a bit criminal as well. If you are dumb enough to sign up with ACN good for you. Don't come on here blasting me with accusations and questioning what I do or think. This site is dedicated to warning people about the questionable business practices of ACN. And I do know the gentlemen, if that is what you want to call him, who was the plant in the audience and he must be as dumb as you for thinking he could fool us out of our hard earned cash. Please rush out and sign up for ACN and tell us in 6 months how it's going for you. I guarantee we won't hear from you again and you will be $499 poorer.

I agree with you completely! When my friend informed them he wanted out they demanded to know why. When he told them I had found this site and that ACN was nothing more than a scam they blew up my phone with calls, text messages, and e-mails saying I was stupid for believing everything I read on the internet. And then when my friend did not get anyone at his 'presentation' to sign up they questioned him with things like, 'I though you had a bunch of friend with money to spend?' This is the most disgusting group of predators I have ever seen. I'm glad you helped your neighbor and I'm glad you didn't get fooled by these crooks as well.

Trump has a new business to endorse! Looks like he's done with ACN for now haha – on his new site he explains how he's worked with other network marketing companies in the past, but (quoting here) “I didn't see anything or anyone that was close to these three guys” as he announces the founders of this new one. All you ACN reps should probably get on this new business asap if you want to be the rich, King Con Artists at the top of the pyramid (instead of the parasites at the bottom – the position you've undoubtedly found yourselves in with acn..) http://www.trumpnetwork.com/De…
Looks like you will no longer be able to spout the “ACN Is way better than those vitamin businesses” and the “Genius Business Man Donald Trump endorses ACN, it must be good” Bullshit Statements in the same pitch anymore guys.. haha

Great news!!! Now all the ACN clones can't cry, 'If Donald Trump endorses this company it must be legitimate. Why would he put his name on a company if it was not making any money?' Ha Ha ACN losers Your poster child has left your crib. Maybe he will even pull your little scam from the Celebrity Apprentice you are all so proud of. Maybe Donald realized the feds were breathing down his neck for being the spokesperson for a pyramid scheme and he better get out while the getting is good. This is so beautiful. Thank you Ex-rep for this information. And the use of 'parasites at the bottom' is classic. Hey John Melton, if you need to sell that Bentley you drive around to show everyone how successful you are with ACN, I'll make you a solid offer. I'll give you half of the Kelley Blue Bood value you dick.

Mishie, I thought it was rude to ask people how much money they make???????????

Come on, use your brains for crying out loud. Did you know that ACN is endorsed by Donald Trump? ACN created a system that has been proven to work and is still used to this day. If this company is such a scam, why on earth is the federal government not shutting it down? Why is the company still endorsed by a famous billionaire? Why is it the globe's biggest direct seller of home and telecommunications services? Why does it do business in 20+ countries on 4 continents? Why are there so many successful reps around the globe in this company? Unlike the ones who failed, the successful ones knew what they were doing by being coachable, following the system, etc. If you were involved, test out your commitment, coachability skills, etc. You'll see that the very successful ones did not get rich quick. Chances are that it didn't work for you because you probably weren't coachable or didn't follow the system. Oh and I bet that you took advice from people who are broke.

Good job with that.

Apparently Donald has disassociated himself from your little pyramid scheme according to an ex ACN rep on here. And why did you have to hide behind him anyway. Because you thought he brought ACN credibility? If he truly does run for president I'm sure his association with ACN will surface in the media. That is probably why he is ditching you clones anyway. He knows ACN is borderline illegal. And why is everything about following the system with you idiots. You must follow the system. You must follow the system. You must follow the system. You must follow the system. Cult like if you ask me. You morons are a bunch of brainless sheep or lemmings ready to jump off a cliff if one of your uplines tells you must follow the system. And you all have such great little catch phrases they teach you during the subliminal brainwash sessions. 'Test out your committment' And your obsession with talking about people you assume are broke is ridiculous. Don't you understand that's part of the 'system' you dumb ass??? They want you to believe everyone not involved with ACN is broke or as some of you have said 'broke minded' and you have luckily found a group of positive thinkers who will take over the world by selling cellular contracts and a sorry ass video phone. Use your brain for crying out loud.

What the hell did you just try and say???

SURE – You get back your $500.00 after you signed up maybe your sister or brother or your mom w/ch they paid $ 500.00 each. simple arithmetic, the company collected $2,000.00 from 4 of you and they gave you back your $500.00; the family spent $2,000.00 and 1 family member who is the very upline get back $500.00; pathetic, overall the family loss $1,500.00.

To deng whatever, try reading what I wrote before you reply to me!! (it will make you look more intelligent)

You did not give us any information on your experience with ACN, so I am assuming you are a new recuit, fresh off your first brain washing session. (they have not gotten around to teaching you to lie yet) You have forked over your 499.00 and signed up for the monthly business package (another 40.00 a month) . Did they talk you into signing up your boyfriend, girlfriend, partner, or mother too? That's what they did to my EX friend, so they got him for 998.00. and two business packages. Do they charge you to go to the weekly brain washing sessions? They charged my EX friend 10 dollars a week for that. Attendance is mandatory.

The purpose of the weekly sessions is to teach you how to be a scam artist. And to keep track of you (can't have you straying off or doing your own thinking) . Some of it is valuable. They taught my EX friend public speaking. They taught him how to dress and how to present himself. Things he never got from his parents (sad). They gave him a sense of family he's never had.
They told him what to say to me when I gave him reason after reason why I would NOT join ACN. My favorite was that I was a slave to my (very well paid) job!! If anyone here meets the definition of a slave, it's the reps of ACN!!!

My EX friend is coachable and did everything his upline asked him to do. He put his heart and soul into ACN and lost everything. He has even spoke of suicide, he's so depressed.

To Deng, Ding, Dong or whoever you are, the people who have recuited you are well coached liars. Right now, you are high off the possiblity of being impossibly rich. Did they ask you what you are going to do with all that money? (it's right around the corner, so you better start thinking about it) My EX friend has a story of sweet revenge on people who have disrespected him in the past.

Canada requires mlm's to report the average income of their reps. It's 8 dollars a month for ACN. The USA needs a similiar law.

I wish you luck Deng. But you will need more than luck to succeed at ACN. No matter what they tell you, the odds are stacked against you in ways you can't imagine.

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I had a bit of a different experience with ACN. I have been involved in direct marketing for about 5 years. I sold knives, electricity, natural gas, water heaters, and furnaces though person to person marketing and door to door cold call residential and commercial and had my share of success. I was involved in a big scam in energy sales, however didn't realize it was a scam until I was deep in and uncovered several things, and then I left that field. I run my own business which is a small grocery type convenience store and do some sales on the side still for extra income.

The reason I am stating my background is to show I have 5 years in direct marketing, and an additional 2 as a business owner, so when I make my comments about ACN, I want you to understand it is coming from a go-getter who is self motivated and not some quitting loser.

I was first invited to ACN by an ex-girlfriend of mine (from when I was in grade school), who I had recently run into at a restaurant. We exchanged numbers and she called me and said she is inviting some friends to her house because she started a new company and we might be interested and she was having a small party. When I got to her house and saw about 20 people already there with pens and paper, sitting around a TV, I realized immediately this was a sales call and she was trying to sell me something. During the presentation I saw a couple of other ladies that I knew from grade school and we chatted and exchanged numbers. I decided for myself that I was not buying at the time and that I would think about it. I called one of my close friends after who is a successful entrepreneur told him what it was about and he told me “its a big scam.” My Ex who threw the presentation was calling me everyday to try to convince me to go to meetings and how good it is, until I finally told her firmly NO, I won't be apart of this. I ended up briefly dating one of the ladies I re-acquainted with at the meeting and she told me that she no longer talks to my ex who hosted it because she was offended she tried to sell her something and would call her trying to convince her after. The other lady whose phone number I got, spoke to her one of her friends who told her it was a scam, and she decided after to also 'never speak to the lady who tried to sell her too.' Basically, she lost 2 of her close girlfriends from ACN.

To make matters more interesting around 5 other people I know have joined ACN and have all contacted me, and said the same things over the phone to me. “I have a great business opportunity for you. Donald Trump has endorsed this product. Many former NHL players are apart of this and I have there phone numbers. Its great for a career or side income.” And when I ask, 'is this ACN?' and they reply yes, 'are you already a member?' and I state I am not interested they try really hard to convince me how great it is. One of my neighbors down the street from me called me out of the blue a few years back and tried to get me to join. I ran into him recently and asked how it was going there, he apologized for contacting me about it and said he was brainwashed and later realized it was a scam and he didn't make much money.

Here is the messed up part. A few days ago, I got a call from my friends fiancee telling me that scripted ACN BS. The ironic part is the fiancee, she is engaged to my close friend who I originally consulted for an opinion on ACN who is an entrepreneur too, who warned me its a scam. I asked if its ACN, she went on begging me to come to a meeting, saying all the Trump and NHL player stuff. I hung up and called my friend and he said he attended a meeting and said hes willing to try it and if he loses $500 so be it, he'll have cool new phones for his house and his family, and asked if I could come to the meeting and pretend I'm joining to inspire other people at the meeting to actually join. He actually offered to take me and a date to a fine dining restaurant after, if I would go to the meeting, be enthusiastic and pretend to join at the end, so his fiancee could get her other 'friends' to join under her because shes pregnant and it would allow her to make money from home. I told him I didn't feel it is right what he is doing and that if other people joined because of my actions and lost money I'd feel really bad. He got upset with me calling me names, reminding me of past times he's helped me, and I'm afraid I potentially lost a close friend over this brainwashing thing. I think we can reconcile in the future. The fiancee sent out a mass Facebook message talking about a meeting on the weekend and a great business opportunity and nobody responded and she sent a message the next day saying 'Thanks for not responding everyone you guys are great…' and other stuff. One of her friends messaged me telling me 'ACN is a scam don't go, I can't believe she messaged me this crap, I lost respect for her.'

ACN seems like a great way to get brainwashed and lose a lot of friends. None of the people I know who joined or tried to convince me to join were able to show me any proof of them making money from ACN, and told me the same scriped recycling lines. If I can't call a phone number or go to a store to buy a product, then to me its a scam. And beware those joining, you might lose friends and really tick off your family for a small income.

Popeye

You're right, these people aren't making any money at ACN. My EX friend was all excited after working very hard for 6 months, he was going to a convention back east where he was going to get to go on stage in his business suit and collect his first check for 2 dollars!!! This was a very BIG deal to him.

I think the very few people who actually are collecting checks from ACN have incredible overhead. They brag about their paychecks, but don't tell anyone who much it cost them. Kind of like the gambler who brags about their winnings but won't tell you who much they lost.

My EX friend spent money he could not afford, just to get a two dollar paycheck. His group sent out mass mailings giving away free dinners at a local restaurant. The catch was you had to listen to their presentation. He was furious at his “friends” who showed up, but did not fork over the 499.00. Before that, he did the presentations at his house. It get them to stay, he fed them. He went to all the conventions. His girlfriend told me it cost him over a thousand dollars in gas, rooms and meals each time he went. Not to mention lost work time. He bought clothes he could not afford to look the part. He had to have a fancy laptop to conduct business. His girlfriend told me his biggest paycheck was about 4 dollars. Gee, that's half of what the average ACN rep in Canada makes. I guess he wasn't working hard enough.

I think some people get hooked on the hype and the conventions even though they are losing money. They have never felt important before ACN. My EX friend was completely star struck. The fact he got to attend a convention where Donald Trump was a speaker was a BIG deal. He got to sit down one on one with some big whig with ACN for a few minutes. To hear him talk about it, you would have thought it was the pope.

Last I heard this guy is living in his car. But he probably looks good with his expensive suit and laptop.

What do you ACN clones have to say to this great post. A check for $2. Wow!!! What a tremendous shift of wealth as one of you morons put in an earlier post. Let's see, what will I spend my $2 on??? Maybe some clothes or a car I can't afford so I can build up unknowing peoples dreams of wealth and fortune when all you really want is their $499 sign up fee. What a joke. Finally someone willing to tell the real story about the great opportunity that ACN supposedly offers. ACN is a scam. ACN reps are a bunch of liars. You will lose your money, your friends, and your familiy members if you fall prey to this trap. Wise up people and quit lying to us ACN defenders. Please do not support these criminals anymore!!!!!!

Thanks Truth Speaker!

Another aspect that bothers me is how materialistic the ACN culture is. I believe it is designed to attract greedy people.

My EX friend used to lay carpet for a living. That is how I met him. He also has a carpet cleaning business. He got into carpet cleaning because carpet laying was killing his back and knees. For a time, I was coaching him on his personal and business finances. I got him to start cleaning up his credit report (so he could buy a house), start a saving account ect, ect. I spoke to him about living below his means so he could get ahead. He listened. I thought he had a good chance of turning his life around.

Then along comes ACN. When I tried to explain ACN's business model is not what he thinks it is, he got mad. He had already drank the koolaide and was willing at that point to tell me anything (in another words lie) in order to recuit me. I explained to him I was unrecuitable. He was wasting his time. It didn't matter. He drove me crazy.

I have invested well and am well respected in the community I live in. I have done this over a period of 30 years. I keep a low profile. ACN teaches the opposite. Their culture demands their recuits flaunt more than what they have so others will think they are rich. I guess this works for impressing the gulliable to join ANC and fork over the 499.00. But for the rep who has to buy these things, this is a recipe for financial disaster.

My EX friend thought his success with ACN was right around the corner. No need to maintain his carpet cleaning van. Better buy a flashy laptop instead. He would tell people next month he was going to get a check for six thousand dollars from ACN. Next month never came.

The sad part is, I think this guy wanted to be like me. He wanted to take nice vacations like I do. Have season tickets for the local baseball team. Live in a nice house. Be respected.

For his loyalty to ACN, he gets to live in his car. The van got repossessed.

it's another MLM scam the only ones that make any money(with ANY mlm CRAP) are the ones that are at the top and they started the company the rest are sucking on the dongs of the kings(aka the owners) to try to get a small small(nothing of a piece)of the pie…IT'S CRAP IF ANY OF YOU WANT HELL JUST SEND ME YOUR 500$ BUT MAKE SURE YOU KISS IT GOOD BYE FIRST….IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!! F8CK FACES!!!!!!!!! FOR 500$ I WILL PROMISE YOU THE WORLD IT'S THE OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK…..WHILE YOU EAT PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY THEY EAT STEAK! THINK ABOUT IT YOU F6CKS!!!

Truth speaker, your going on about dignity and not causing harm to loved ones by recruiting them. The simple solution would be to do as my trainer did to me, TRAIN THEM. If your going to recruit somone, it is then your responsibility to help them get going to eventually make their own customers and recruits. GiveMeABreak is right, you are a coward. If you spent as much time into working hard as you do complaining, youd realize people sign up thinking its a get rich quick scheme, which it is in no way, but it is a reasonable way to make a living, know what your selling, and dont sign people up and let them lose their money, sign them up and train them to make their money back. I will not be coming back to this website Truth speaker, because unlike you, i have work to do.

Did you not read the post from Not Fooled about his ex-friend who received his first residual check at the bullshit national conference for a whopping $2??? And his girlfriend told Not Fooled his biggest check ever was $4??? Does not sound like a very good way to make a living to me. And all you ACN clones who claim to not recruit or as one guy put it, 'I pay the sign-up fee for my reps so if they fail they can't come back and blame me'. Where are you guys getting the money to pay for this. From your $2 residual check for 6 months of work. You just posted another pack of lies that your upline has coached you to say. Follow the system. Follow the system. Learn to lie. Learn to lie. (the reason I'm repeating that is because that's what your upline probably does to. Repeats a pack of lies over and over until you believe it is true) Oh wait, I didn't read your post closely enough. You do recruit. My bad. Get back to work recruiting and training your clones because you sure as hell are not making a reasonable living selling ACN's services. Thanks for exposing what ACN is really about. Recruit. Recruit. Recruit.

you have no clue and most of your article is not factual. i'm doing well and it has been a blessing.

it is a fact that mlm's produce more millionaires than any other business. no not everyone will do it. lazy people don't make money at anything they do. acn is not a scam and i know this for a fact. not everyone makes money but motivated people and the ones that follow the recipe for success put in place by the company do work. follow the plan and don't be lazy. what else are you going to do for 500 bucks. get real. it is a great opportunity for the right person. like me.

me too

Everyone gets five points their first week you idiots because the first thing ACN makes you do is sign up yourself. Big deal. You sold yourself and got instantly promoted to the next level. Wow!!! Such a feel good scenario and a very integral part of 'following the system' . You should be so proud of yourselves. You have already been promoted and you have not sold anyone other than yourself. Well done gentlemen!!!! It certainly appears you have a bright future in sales. Who's your next 5 points coming from? Your parents, your sister, your gullible senior ciitzen neighbor? Follow the system. Become coachable. Focus on an idea and zoom. Excel and prosper. Give it a rest ACN clones and give up on all your cheesy little feel good catch phrases. So much BS coming from so many dummies. Quit defending ACN on this site. It was written to warn people about the unethical business practices of this scam. Go find a site that promotes ACN and post you MLM rhetoric there. Oh wait, there is no site like that. Ok, keep posting on here so we can keep ridiculing you morons. Where are you Gizmo? I miss you.

Follow the recipe? That's a new one. It's 'follow the system' you dummy. Didn't your upline teach you anything?

KP

The reason the “Presenter” had no idea about paying self employment tax was because he or she has never made enough money at ACN to pay it. Say this clown made 800.00 dollars one year with ACN, but the expenses were 700.00 dollars. They would not have to pay the tax. Anyone making 600.00 or under (net) does not have to pay the tax. I would be willing to bet this presenter has never made enough for it to even be discussed (how to avoid the tax) with the tax preparer. If it had, the presenter would have known what you were talking about.

These people are amazing. I am willing to bet these scam artists tried to convince you how successful they are, when the truth is they just fell off the turnip truck.

You call yourself skeptical? I'd say just smart.

Yeah, Truth Speaker, He's busy. He needs to go sign up his mommy.

I've attended two ACN “Parties.” Both times I had no idea what I was going to. I couldn't believe people would buy into this. How could they ask you to give them 500 before they even break down how much money you get for each service……SCAM… They only want to recruit more 500 investors.; I'm sure the money can come back around. But unless you have alot of nieve friends, or rich ones, it will be hard to ever get your money back.

What bothers me most is that I was introduced to ACN by the person I knew and trusted. His excitement made me believe that this is a real thing. He had all examples of people near him who were equally excited and actually made a good income from it. I don't know if he is successful in ACN. If yes, good for him, but he definitely lost all deposit in my emotional account which I consider more valuable than a few hundred a month.

As for myself, I am (as most of you) $500 shorter, and grateful, that all of my friends were smarter than I and did not follow my lead. At least I still have them. I feel a little ashamed though, that I have attempted to recruit people who trust me.

I guess, I am a naive person after all, shame on me…

A friend of mine became a rep and that's why I did some research about ACN. All I keep hearing is how people were making thousands of euros a month. Luckily, I have seen the scheme as an outsider. This is something that I would never get involved in because luckily enough I don't have the need to do so. But it does appear to be a scam when you look at the figures there are many questions that you can ask about this. But I would like to know why those who fail with the ACN are not more outspoken? You don't see so many of them trying to give ACN a bad name through their own experiences. This site does but generally on Google you do a search and nothing appears. ACN appears to be growing and growing, my question is why, when there must be lots of people out there who have paid money and never seen a return and if there is only a 0,5% success rate then surely oneday their business will have to stop due to the bad sentiment being spread by those who have failed.

Leandro, I think your answer is right below from Dabski. First of all, ACN preys on dreamers. People who have a goal in life. People who want to succeed, but maybe have hot found the right niche. Once ACN gets you believing in 'they system' which has many components and feel good scenarios, it is very easy to get excited about your potential new found wealth. All the ACN uplines play the part. They dress very nice. They are well groomed. They drive expensive cars. But it's all a sham. They are in debt up to their asses. They are living well beyond their means. And they perpetuate the lies they tell you because they are too deep into it to tell the truth. Next thing you know you are caught up in the frenzy of telling all your friends what a great opportunity you have stumbled on. Then you realize it is nothing more than a scam and you feel shame. You have regrets that you preyed on the people you have spent your life with. People you have trusted and they have always probably trusted you. And ACN knows all this and they purposely exploit you for those trusted contacts. They teach people to lie. They certainly don't want anyone to know it's an ACN party. Noboby would ever come. So they tell you to tell your trusted friends and family members it's a big secret. A huge opportunity to invest in a new technology. That's what my friend told me at least. Then when they get your friends to the party they will do whatever it takes to get that sacred $499 check before they leave, because if they do leave without writing the check they will certainly go to the internet and find out it's a scam. Just be happy you only lost $499 and not all of your dear friends and family members. To Dabski, just move on and hopefully your friend who recruited you into this bullshit scam will wise up eventually and apologize. I know my friend did and I had no problem accepting his apology. He's a good friend and a dreamer.

Leandro, part of the reason people who have been scamed by ACN don't post is embarassment and denial ( or as Truth Speaker said shame). ACN recuits are told they will be successful if they follow the system and are coachable. In order to quit ACN they will have to confront their upline. Their upline will beat them up mentally. Only losers quit. I guess you weren't coachable. You didn't follow the system. You're a loser. You will be a slave to other people for the rest of your life. I'm going to be rich (next month). I guess someone has to wash my car, flip my hamburgers, be my waiter, etc, etc. They transfer all the blame to the person being scammed instead of admitting it is really “their system” that is at fault. “Their system” is designed to fail. It is part of any pyramid scheme business model. Failure. Then these hyenas blame the victim.

My EX friend decided to blame his girlfriend for not supporting him. He was in denial the last time I talked to him. It was everyone else's fault.

About goggle searches. ACN is very active about shutting down any site that is critical of them. I can give my opinion on this post, that's fine. But the folks who run this website have to be very careful what they say about ACN. Remember Oprah and the beef industry? Acn is also sure to flood any search with their propaganda about them.

ACN will tell you they are growing and growing. Why would they tell you the truth? Recent statistics say otherwise.

No, Dabski, shame on the people who recruited you. Most people shell out the 499.00 before they realize it is a scam. Or when they realize in order to be a successful recruiter they will have to lie to their friends and family, they quit. I have heard you have 10 days to get your money back. I hope you still have time.

My EX friend did not care who he lied to in order to get them to sign up. People he had told me in confidence he did not care for suddenly became his new best friends just so he could sign them up. When they did not fork over the 499.00, he was livid. (I think a lot of his anger was because he was so desperate)

These folks are such pathetic liars. Truth Speaker told of a ACN rep who told him he was making 800,000.00 a year at ACN. Suppose this clown (yes, you John Melton) paid half of that to the IRS, that is still over 33,000 a month. So this guy is making great money but is still has to be a hard ball recruiter? Blowing up peoples cell phones with texts about what a great deal ACN is? Going to recruitment parties every week? Do the idiots under him think he is just doing this out of the goodness of his heart? Melton knows the second he stops the hard ball recruitment they will repo the leased Bentley. Give me a break, this guy is just as broke and desperate as the rest of them, he's just doing it in better clothes.

The trick to ACN is to do some good hard honest forward thinking before you sign on. If you believe that you are going to get rich, good luck. However, if you think ahead, and see that you can qualify and sign-on three additional reps in your first month (I tapped people that were new to the area, and in need of services, as well as those that were unemployed or underemployed), than you are in a position to make some money…not a ton, but enough to have some significant fun money, or set aside for the kids' college fund.

So… how many people had to lose 499.00 so you could have some fun money??

Well said NotFooled! The beauty of the party I attended was that not a single person signed up or fell for this crap. Mr. Melton left with nothing that night. He drove back to Baltimore sad and lonely in his leased Bentley with empty pockets. I actually got up right in the middle of the presentation and walked out the door. When this Melton character called me the next day I asked him 'What part of me walking out of your stupid presentation did you not understand?' This guy is a predator with no human emotions. His whole persona is pathetic and fake.

Excuse mit ….its not 499 a month…you can say up your friends and familie for the services without them having to pay any extra then the other services they are already paying…the 500 Dollars is for whoever wants to get into the system for a job. Get your facts straight

Also here is another thing nobody seems to understand :

ACN works on a simple idea. THey buy shares off of existing companies (which anyone can do if they really want to ), like AT&T and since they don't spend their money on advertising (which costs 100 of millions a year ) they can afford to keep the rates lower then big name companies and pay more money to their workers. ACN isn't the only one doing it …I am from Europe and 100 of companies do it. THEre is nothing wrong with it. Everyone wins even the big name companies. They don't loose their clients and actually make more this way.

Get your facts straight. Where did I ever post it's $499 a month??? Learn to read.

ACN does work off a simple idea. It's called scam your friends and your family out of 499.00.
Get YOUR facts straight, you're an idiot. Go back to your upline for more training. Your upline will not approve of your calling ACN a job. I have yet to see a single service ACN offers that is cheaper. That's a myth.

I'm a student and I make $0. There now how much do u make??

Just finished watching the highly anticipated Celebrity Apprentice all you stupid ACN clones have been bragging about. Wow!!! Well done. Gary Busey and Jose Cansenco in a gay parody is the winner. HaHaHaHaHa as Gizmo usually puts it. We barely got a peek at your stupid video phone and Donald Trump barely uttered the word 'ACN'. John Melton. I thought you said you were going to be on the show. You bragged to everyone you were featured on the show. Were you just one of the 450 dorks in the audience that they briefly panned across??? Stupid liar. I didn't even see you in that sea of losers who were all gazing at Donald Trump like they wanted to get on their knees and blow him. Everyone was adjusting their ties and fixing thier cuff links while Little John was laughing all the way to the winners circle. Loved it!!!!! The best part was at the end when Little John just found out he won but could not even remember your stupid slogan. What is it??? A world without limits or something stupid like that? Awesome. You see how invested he was in your little game? I'm really surprised that Donald did not pitch it more. Oh that's right, he is going to run for president and has disassociated himself from you. Boohoo. What's your next pitch going to be? Jose Cansenco and Gary Busy endorse us. Beautiful. A crazy person and a steroid junky. And before you all cry 'Well then why did Trump do this show?' Let me tell you. He was probably contractually obligated and that was filmed at least 4 or 5 months ago. Fucking losers. There I have lowered myself to name calling.

Most people run when they hear MLM and I know why. It is near impossible to make any money. 90% of the people that fall for it quit. I am tired of hearing single moms that need money suckered into this. They do not understand it takes a long time, if you are lucky, to even turn a profit. I work a legit 9-3 job, I work at home,30 hours a week and I make 50k a year NOT MLM. I happen to be employed by an I.T. company in sales and I work from home and work when I want and sell as much I.T. hardware and software into my accounts as I can. Why would I pay $500 and get suckered into this crap? I cold called into an account to solicit my services, and a C level executive eventually tried to get me in on this. He strung me along for a few months pretended he was interested in my company, only to try and get me involved in his ACN MLM. He also solicited one of my co-workers he talked to once. He also asked me if my husband would be interested. My husband is a pharmaceutical rep with a company car, laptop, phone, base salary, bonus, and full benefits package. Why would he quit his job to do this MLM crap?? Proves that most people that do this are only looking out for themselves. They want part of that sign up fee. That is it. What a joke. Coming from a C-level. I was disappointed and yes this opportunity is BULLCRAP and the only opportunity you will have is to lose a fast $500. No thanks I will keep my 50k a year I.T. sales part time job where I get paid from $1 and get a paycheck every 2 years with ZERO up front investment. By the way once your friends and family learn you are with an MLM you will see them start avoiding your calls and emails. Trust me.

you're a dumb bitch in denial. you fell for a scam, now suck it up and face the truth hoe.

check out http://www.trumpnetwork.com Trump is now endorsing vitamins!!! Encourging people to get in on the ground floor in his new mlm company. What he really needs is Rogaine. Yes, Gizmo said it best HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Losers.

Yep, Almost the same exact business model. The sign-up fee. $497. Sponsor five new reps and receive your initial investment back. Recruit. Recruit. Recruit. Pay $19.95 a month for your own personalized replicating website where your future clones will have to sign-up. This is just more of Trump just whoring out his name. All you ACN clones better get over there and blow another $500 so you can sell some shitty vitamins to your friends and family members. This looks suspiciously like the Amway business model. Not only is Trump a whore, he's also a plagarist. Run clones run. Why are you wasting your time on this site??? If you don't act now you won't be in on the bottom floor. Stupid losers.

Mishie you should of spent the $500 taking a grammer night course.. duh.
I have property in Florida, interested?

So the odds are 200 – 1 YOU ARE A FAILURE, you have certainlly convinced me to sign up.
OOPS grammer error was up at 2:oo am. Should be, odds are you don't have a hope in hell,
and that's my parents fault for me being normal.

Yea Judy, give that dumb dumb hell. I love the first sentence in her original post. 'Obviously did doing any of his training the was offered on website' What the hell does that mean??? And the last sentence on the post you responded to 'If you like to know how I will be more then will to tell you' Really???? I have a dog that could compose a better sentence at 4am in the morning. Do you really need to blame your bad grammar on the time of day you post it? As I have stated many times on here ACN obviously does not require a real grasp of the english language. Check out some of Gizmo's posts. This guy is either foreign or retarded. These ACN supporters are nothing more than a flock of sheep who have been convinced they are all going to be millionaires and we are all just a bunch of hard working 9 to 5 dummies. The materialism, arrogance, and ignorance of the ACN culture is disgusting. They all think they can trick us out of our $499 by tossing around the Celebrity Apprentice and Donald Trump's name. They don't realize Donald Trump is a money hungry predator who will put his name on anything if he thinks it will make him a couple of bucks and that the Celebrity Apprentice is a completely staged and scripted advertisement. LOSERS.

It would appear that with ACN the blind are leading the blind. It also seems that the uneducated levels of society are also victims of this scam. They are promised hundreds of thousands of dollars or euros for little work. If you don't make any money the excuse seems to be that you didn't work hard enough. But the problem here, like all MLM's, is that eventually the work (people) dry up. Please, please makesure your children get a good education from the beginning. Making sure your children work hard at their education always lays the foundations for a strong work ethos for their future. Unfortunately, Obama doesn't promote work but likes to promote 'free for all' this helps companies like ACN prosper even more at the disadvantage of those who are taken for a ride.

Thanks for such a great response. Actually, my friend never tried to recruit me at all. I was lucky because from the offset I told him that in order for it to work you have to be serious about ACN and dedicate lots of time to it, time which I do not have. This is the truth and he accpeted. But he stayed with me and I took him to the event they did in Madrid and I saw they way they all were. I even had dinner with them and you can see how they put the pressure on. At 38 I have seen too much and dealed with too many 'scammers' for me to get into something like this but it's sad that the law doesn't offer protection like it has in Australia and ACN do not have a lot of success in the UK perhaps because they too have legal problems there. Thanks once again.

Dear Dabski …. we all make mistakes in life. Just put it down to experience and a learning curve for you. How old are you if you don't mind me asking?

I'm frankly shocked at the number of people discussing this topic who loop back to pedophilia.

When discussing the reputability of a business you should critically analyse the prjected business model, the outlay and potential income, the support involved in or provided by the business, and back the findings up with fact and not biased oppinions.

The relevence of sex offenses or racism or the assult on religious bodies elludes me.
As too does the unintelligable profanities utilised by those incabable of elloquently expressing their thoughts.

Also of what significance of highlighting a persons profession? and linking it to a story of a known criminal who was once in the same proffession?.. You could choose any employment, career, proffession, where there have been vulgar human beings who have commited terrible offenses, this is evident in all aspects of human culture. This does not mean that all people engaged in that proffession are crooks.
One police officer who breaks the law does not make all police officers unsafe nor one violent caucasian make all caucasians a “violent race”

Now this is all common place knowledge and my purpose for stating the obvious is because reading this discussion (though my oppinion is irrelevant) i have merely find it an interesting observation of human behaviour that so many have resulted childishly to simple name calling swearing and raising completely unrelated themes that have no basis or relevence to the topic being examined. Not that i really expected an objective inteligent discussion on a topic that so many seem to find so emotive and stimulating.

By all means to both parties engaging in this forum, enjoy the debate and perhaps consider that differing beliefs and oppinions don't need to be taken as personal affronts to your own beliefs. And thus perhaps a level of detatchment could be of benefit especial by those most distressed by what is being shared.

To all take care and may you find resolution within yourself and be content with whatever decision you have made for yourself and perhaps even respect the decision of others for their journey is their own and either path shall lead to a destination

you're a cheap indian f'agg'ot, that's what you are, like all indians (hindus)

And you're a loser. You came to this site, read the posts, and this is your most intelligent reply?
Crawl back under your rock and stay there. Even the ACN clones are smarter than you.

NotFooled you're a hindu fa'gg too, it's clear you have bown your cover, an ACN perv

Uh oh. Another wave of multi-level marketing (aka-pyramid scheme) has hit the central PA area. Ignite Energy has come to town. And it's being perpetrated by all the same losers that are involved in ACN. I guess ACN was not paying the bills. Too bad all those beautiful video phones (I just threw up in my mouth when I typed that) are just going to set on people's countertops and collect dust. How many times do you clones think people are going to fall for your BS??? Fool someone once. Shame on you! Fool someone twice. Shame on them because they are just idiots. Good luck with Ignite energy suckers.

Im all my life I have never seen such an ingenious, horrible and evil scam. ACN spends millions of dollars on phycology in order to suck $500 out of anyone they can get there hands on. They are all trained exactly what to say when you make an excuse as to why you don't want to do it. No matter how many times you say “no”, they will go around it and make excuses why you should pay the $500. I don't care who you are, believe me, your BEST FRIEND will screw you over to get that $500 from you, no matter what it takes. And believe something else, if you don't work your ACN business this way YOU WILL NOT MAKE ANY MONEY… ITS A GIVEN. All the hype about “telecom” and “dish network” and all the other shit is just what they masquerade it as. The truth is that they just want that $500…PERIOD.

So here is my advice:

Tell anyone (including your best friend) not to ask you for any favors…..Second
Learn to recognize this scam before it happens to you so you can take the easy way out and JUST SAY NO!!!—-Third
If you get unlucky enough to get sucked into one of these meetings (which only exist in cheap hotel rooms, peoples living rooms and free hotel lobbies) JUST WALK AWAY… DONT STAND FOR IT!!!
DONT MAKE AN EXCUSE, just tell them you don't do any MLM…PERIOD.

Say what you mean, and mean what you say, don't waste time trying to be nice. They don't care, why should you?

Having said that, I think this article is very accurate, except I think its more like one person out of 500 who might have a chance at making a “career” out of this. Tell your ACN friends that they can come over to your house and give you a ride in the Lamborghini they just bought with the income from this…. My guess is that you will never get that ride

Forgot to say….. This scam has broken friendships all over the town I live in. There are about 250,000 people here and its running rampant. I was literally lied to by my best friend to get the $500 out of me with a promise that he would put a couple of people under me so that I would get the money back. A lie. What these reps want to do is go through your phone, get all your contacts and have you “TRICK” them into coming to an ACN presentation. The way to get your money back? Call your credit card company and tell them that you have been scammed. That gets there attention real quick, believe me. Also a funny thing—- on the “Launch Pack” that they send you it cleverly does not have a return address on it. Even if you look on the website good luck finding a number to call to get your money back.

I think the pure evil people that invented this scam should be publicly executed and made an example of

Bullshit……

Come on girl…. Judy….. get it straight. This is a website that exists to warn the general population of stupid America that ACN is a scam. There is really no debating it, it is a scam on a sick, horrible and evil level created by the most money hungry, greedy and evil people on the planet earth.

I went to an ACN meeting a few weeks ago and decided to do my research. I just stumbled on this site. Gizmo2800 you give the company a bad name – you are a poor representation. None of the people at the ACN meeting appeared as unprofessional as you unless it was all pretense. I sat through the training and there was no mention of any additional charges except the $500 and members signing up for services. I have done other MLMs before and I know there is always additional charges — that is why I went searching. I also know that you cannot believe everything you read on the Internet but I wanted to know what people thought of the ACN services. I am so glad I found this site.

Gizmo2800, thank you for showing me what really lies below the hyped up meetings. If I was an ACN rep I would be ashamed of having someone like you on my team. This blog is not for you if it brings out such language. ACN would not be proud of the way you are trying to 'defend' them. Move on and try to find prospects and stop wasting your time on here if it brings out such a bad side of you. The blog is intended for people who may be considering ACN — Anyone who is already a member may not like what is posted here but there is no need to stoop as low as you did.

They said in the meeting that ACN gives you time and freedom. Stop wasting all your time here — there's got to be someone in your downline you can assist. Also, try duplicating more of your upline… which does not include posting filth on this site.

All the best to you!

This is not the place to slander Tracey… it seems as if you got dumped. Get over it!

Mishie, you need to get your head examined! Donald Trump saw a way to steal money and get paid by the ACN thieves to advertise the snake oil they call ACN. If you tried to shake Donald Trumps hand he would tell you to go to hell. Your comment has nothing to do with being a hater, he uses people with low intelligents like you as a stepping stone to more money for? you guessed it him. To tell you the truth i am in the sales business and I wish i had more customers like you that will follow me off a cliff.

Mishie, if I was a betting man I would say that you have been taken, have lost money and not made any money. If the bottom was to come out from under this circus (ACN) you would be left with nothing including no friends or family because you screwed them. You keep lying to everyone that you make a ton of money in order to get people to join but behind your back they are all laughing at you and your inside voice keeps saying “you just wait I will be rich one day and then they will see who's laughing”. The sad thing is I am right, If you think I'm wrong have a good long look in the mirror. It's not hard to figure you out because for every Mishie their are thousands more hoping the light at the end of the tunnel is not a train coming. Give Donold a call he would love to hear from you,, LOL!

Success From Home means nothing. Any MLM company can be in that magazine. I've been in other MLMs and they also used the Success From Home magazine as to somehow show that it is a legitimate business. To all the ACN supports on this site, you all sound like I did when I thought I could become rich by being coachable and following the system. I busted my butt and realized that the people all around me were not making any money. They were just going along with the hype.

I am a go-getter by nature and work really hard at anything I set my mind to. No one who knows me would describe me as lazy. I care about people and have common sense. There comes a time that you have to look at things realistically and know that there is something wrong with the system. I went to an ACN meeting that my brother invited me to. My brother offered me to take over his account (I know deep down he probably doesn't want me to lose my $500) and work the business. I told him I wasn't interested. I felt he is having regrets about joining.

There are no guarantees in life, but there is one thing for sure when you join MLM, you will lose your family and friends. Please no one respond by saying that they were not friends to begin with…. I've been there an alienated a lot of friends because I believed in the product (but most MLM you are not there to sell products the money is in building the business, aka recruiting). There has got to be another way to make extra cash without recruiting your friends and family. My brother doesn't even know how to use a computer (so I'm sure he has not been into his back office) and the person who recruited him is much older and he couldn't explain anything to me…. I wish everyone well who joined. Do not want until you are bankrupt to get out. All MLM tell you that you have to be committed for two to five years…. long after you have invested too much time, money and energy. If you join ACN, don't want that long to get out if it is not working for you. AND remember that most people are skeptical of MLM and if they search the Internet and find sites like these they will not join even though you are told at the meeting to not believe what you hear on the Internet.

Anyone thinking of joining ACN think twice. And pay attention to some of the warnings you are reading here.

“For his loyalty to ACN, he gets to live in his car. The van got repossessed.”

I shouldn't laugh at that misfortune but I did.

People, don't do ACN, you have 99% chances of failing.

If you wanna make money at home without vaporizing your extremely hard-earned money, without selling your soul to MLM, keeping family relations and friends intact, then become an Amazon affiliate. That's what I do for extra cash.

Just don't do MLM.

Henry, we all hate to laugh at other people's misfortunes, but the reality is that when people think they are going to get rich off of other people's misfortunes they deserve every damn bit of of it. All these ACN clones are coached to lie. They are told up front they need to recruit their friends and family members. 'Exploit your relationships' is what they are told. They know that 99% of the people they recruit will fail so why should we feel sad for this asshole???? Have fun living in your car douchebag. You exploited people who probably trusted you because you saw a glimpse of a lifestyle you desired. I don't feel a bit of sadness. You lost your home, your girlfriend, and have probably alienated all of your friends and family members. John Melton, Tim Straub, and Donald Trump will be your friends in hell when you arrive you loser. Hey GiveMeABreak, I just mentioned a bunch of people's names again. Should I mention a geographic region? South Central Pennsylvania. To be more specific Harrisburg. Do you think this is slander or libel? The answer is neither. Oh and that's right, after that last brow beating you took you don't have the balls to post on this site. Run to Ignite energy losers. It's the next ACN but cheaper. You only have a $325 sign up fee. Everyone who reads this should friend John Melton of Facebook. He will accept anyone as friends as long as they show an interest in ACN. Then when he accepts you blast his page with ACN is a SCAM over and over again until he realizes he's been tricked. It's a brief bit of fun, but well worth the laughs.

I can say that acn is the worst thing that has happened to me. Now last year I got into this relationship with a girl. Things were going great until she told me she owned her owned network marketing business. Now at this point I was deciding that she was lying or I got a good catch.

A week later she asked me to attend one of the meetings. When I asked what it was she said a business opportunity that I have to see for myself. Once I got to the meeting I was peppered with bullshit from acn reps from all levels, them saying it was an opportunity of a lifetime. Such horse shit.

At the end of the opportunity her mother was asking me what I thought of it all and I lied and said It was great. She said I should sign up and I said I would think about it. I wish it ended there. I was dragged to a couple meetings but I never signed up, my girlfriend turned into the biggest douche and wanted me to sign up under and I kept saying I had no money at the time and she would tell me to borrow it and sign up. If I didn't go to the meetings with her I was accused of being “unsupportive.”

For the next 3 months I had to hear this acn bullshit from her and her mother. Every day they would ask when I was going to sign up, and that i don't want to be successful in life because I wasn't signing up right away. Her mother was unemployed and burning through her savings fast, she thought acn was gonna let her be an unemployed rich person, and the only way to succeed was to bother those close to them and beg them to sign up for 500$.

They even went as far as to drag to the nationals, they drove me nuts with acn and finally I gave them a solid NO. And that's when things went downhill. She stopped talking to me (and I couldn't have been happier) I know for a fact they're still struggling to reach their acn “dreams” of being rich at whatever cost and over whoevers feelings. I doubt they have made any money from it. I'm still richer than them and I work a minimum wage job, I drive a nicer car too.

The whole time I was subjected to this shit I never saw any proof of anyone making money, and I had to listen to self edifying douche bags talk about how much money they made. It made me sick. I don't want to get rich on making others poor, that's what happens. You put the responsibility of recruiting on the person below you.

You will end up with everyone hating you and distancing themselves from you. When enough people have said no there will be no one left to recruit. And when then next best thing comes along and new technology comes along ( and a better comany will, it always happens) you can watch your residual income ( which probably sucks anyways) be flushed down the toilet.

There's my 2

I like this post. It just shows the desperation and the lies that ACN reps are willing to go through to live some dream that is never going to happen. How many real stories are you ACN dorks going to have to read to give up on this scam??? One guy is living in his car, another girl is unemployed and spent her last $500 so some ACN crook can line his pockets, and this poor girl who is so brainwashed she is willing to destroy relationships to continue down a dead-end path with ACN. She's broke, her mother's broke, they drive around in a crappy car, they are probably spending money they don't really have on expensive clothes, yet they continue to live the lie that is ACN. Please stop supporting this scam people. And you ACN supporters don't come on here and bash this post and say it is full of lies. Too many people have told the same or similar story to make this untrue.

While I have never worked for ACN, I worked for a similar company called DS-MAX. Same type of “opportunity” to run your own business and such. While the company, ACN, is a reputable entity, the people running these meetings and training their people are imploring very bad business practices. My best friend since childhood recently, within the past year, became involved with ACN. He and his wife started their team, and began recruiting. I have been asked on several occasions  to come to a meeting. First, I am fully aware what the company is, from front to back from other former and current “employees” at ACN. I have seen him spend so much time with meetings and travel, on his own dime, do be a part of ACN that is saddens me. He and his wife don’t make much money from the company, but they sure brag on facebook that people who have normal jobs are suckers. Why do they think this way all of a sudden? Their “business leaders” have molded them into little ACN troopers. They came to my brother in law recently to buy a car, now I can understand if you have less than perfect credit, but they had to prove how much they made in order to get a vehicle. I will tell you that working full time at a fast food restaurant would likely pay more, or close to it, as they didn’t make enough to purchase the 10 year old car. The hours they invest weekly are at LEAST 80 hours, and for what? Yes, I understand that people CAN and HAVE made money with ACN. What the company is selling is opportunity. Hell, maybe I should charge people 499.00 and start up a lottery club. Hey, you have the opportunity to make money right? My point to all of this is, neither side is right or wrong. Is it a scam, no, but are you likely to make anything out of it, likely not either.  Why risk losing money, friends, and time away from your family just for a “chance”. I graduated college, and I now work full time for the Department of Defense. I am a few months away from graduating with my MBA in Management also. I put a few hours a week into college, rather than a hope and a dream into something that likely won’t pan out. Spend your time on an education and a good paying job with benefits, that will be there forever. I work 40-45 hours a week, have amazing benefits, and make 80-90K a year. I live the dream, and it doesn’t involve ACN or a bogus company promising me riches. I can back up my claims, I have the degree hanging in my office, and my check stubs are readily available for all to see. My friends who brag about ACN dance around the notion, and can’t provide proof. So to those of you thinking of joining, save your time and money, and invest it in yourself, go to college, get a REAL education, and get a REAL job that requires less time and will pay you MORE money. Enjoy
 

I agree with about 99% of your post and you have made some very good and interesting points. All these ACN reps are lying and living beyond their means to put on the glamorous facade of the super rich lifestyle they promise. I do agree ACN teaches them that we are all suckers and that doing a normal 9 to 5 job is for dummies. I don't really agree that ACN is attempting to run a legitimate business. Google 'ACN scam' and you will find some interesting news reports where ACN executives are asked about the recruiting practices of their reps and they suddenly don't want to be on camera anymore. I own a successful software company and I would invite any type of media to quiz me on our marketing and selling practices. We have nothing to hide. Our independent reps and sales organizations are all legit. Most of them have brick and mortar facilities they operate out of. Not someone's crappy apartment or basement (like where most of the ACN recruiting meetings occur). Most of our reps are IBM or Microsoft solutions partners. Are they legitimate business entities? Yes. Does IBM and Microsoft have very stringent guidelines their partners must follow to continue brandishing the distinction of being a solutions partner. Hell yes. Do any of our resellers or independent reps do any type of multi-level recruiting? Hell no. And if we found out they did we would run their reseller contract through one of our shredders, video tape the whole process, and send them the video proof along with the bad news that they have just voided their contract with us. Why won't the ACN execs talk with the media about questionable recruiting practices??? If it's legit speak up and defend yourselves. I read that one ACN rep said, 'You will always have rogue reps who will go out and do their own thing outside of the control of the organization'. Bullshit. This is a scam. Run away from anyone promoting it. Do like EngineerGuy says. Get an education. Get a job. Get some good benefits. Give up your dream of getting rich with ACN. Now all you ACN losers get going and find out who is hosting the next Ignite Energy presentation. It's the next scam you will certainly fall into.

so I have been attending some of their meetings and I had my meeting where i brought 3 friends who looked very interested but went home and bailed out lol. i dont have that money at the moment , but i was actually thinking in giving it a try and work hard and see what everything is about. to see if i can be successful there or not? but im still thinking. any sincere opinions?

Why should I have to “qualify” to sell a product? And why should sales reps above me make more money on a product I sold than I do? That's not how the real world works… and that's called a pyramid. Think about it.

People who care and warn others about scam artists like you are winners in my book. They're only losers when they fall for your crap.

“90% of the people that fall for it quit.”

Well that's their (MLM-pushers) excuse as to why people don't make money. It's a catch-22… if you succeed you stay in, if you fail, it's only because you “quit.” Like who is going to stay in without making any money? That has to be the dumbest person on earth.

The math says it all. The pyramid has to have a bottom. If you make money it's only because you pushed the problem down the line. There must be losers because the bottom of the pyramid doesn't make enough money just on sales.

“Don't quit.”

Right, because then it's his fault that it didn't work, right? Because he should just keep throwing money away for the rest of his life just in case he might one day get rich and never have to work or contribute to society again.

“Or maybe you are not the type of person who is a self-starter, can't think outside the box, can't win people over to your ideas and motivate and lead them, either.”

Oh please. Thinking “outside the box” has to be the most opposite description I can think of for brainwashed MLMers. How about you guys start thinking outside the box and start questioning where this is all going? Motivate yourself first, take pride in your work, and demand fair compensation.

“Not everyone is comfortable outside a 9-5 paycheck job.”

Yeah, people who have been sold the American Greed Dream. The American Dream used to be success due to hard work and an honest living. Now it's just “residual income” which means getting paid for not working. It's not MLM or ACN's fault though… it's way bigger than that. Everyone glorifies simply having money and being able to make more.

“But don't assume that because you failed or couldn't get it to work that you have to put down others who want to try. It's just not for you. It made you uncomfortable. Work within your comfort zone and excel!”

Fine try. And if all you care about is money, start your own MLM. You have to be at the top.

“There's no wrong or right here. Just different approaches.”

Actually, some ways of making money are more morally reprehensible than others. Every person you sign up is now in the hole. There is a promised product (success) and a fee ($500), and since you know that 90% of the people won't succeed, you know what you're doing. You can try to make it “their fault” or even try to make it sound like it “just wasn't a good fit” but in the end, you have to ask yourself if you can really live with this business model knowing the pain it causes a majority of the people.

The closest I got to MLM was with the World Financial Group about 10 years ago when I was just out of college. They weren't high pressure. I turned it down when I realized they wanted me to pay them so that I could work. There wasn't any mention of compensation or anything. I remember asking a question about doing something differently, and the response was some kind of “don't break the system” or something. Well being educated I figured their system sucked.

Recently I had a friend approach me about ACN. I told him no, and to get out of it himself. He's exactly the kind of guy who goes for this kind of thing so he's still trying. I'm not sure where it'll lead for him, but I hope it won't be too bad.

People have to learn that business is rough. If you don't watch out, they'll take your money and run. That's exactly what ACN does. If you join ACN you basically have two choices: 1) lose your money, 2) take money from other people. There's no fair exchange of goods when you're a rep.

I can't really speak for the ACN products, but I'll probably avoid them for fear or prolonging my friend's involvement.

I JST READ THE WHOLE ADD ABOUT ACN BEING A SCAM, WELL I THINK IT'S PATHETIC THAT U CAN WRITE SO MUCH CRAP ABOUT SOMETHING U CLEARLY DONT KNOW!! I AM IN ACN AND WITH IN THE 2 MONTHS I HAVE JOINED I HAVE RECIEVED NOT ONLY THE 500 THAT I HAVE PAID BUT MORE. AND I ALSO SAVE MY FAM AND FRIENDS MONEY ON THEIR BILL'S. SO STOP UR NON SENSE AND STOP PUTTING ACN DOWN, BECAUSE IT IS THE BEST COMPANY AND I DONT CARE IF IT'S A PARAMID..IT'S LEGAL AND IT WORKS AND THAT IS ALL I CARE ABOUT..ALL THE COMPANIES IN AMERICA ARE PARAMIDS DUMBASS, THEY JST CALL IT FRANCHISE'S SAME DAM THING!!! SO MIND UR OWN BUSINESS AND GET A LIFE!! LOL

YOU ARE A STUPID BRAINWASHED CLONE. FOLLOW THE SYSTEM. BE COACHABLE. EXCEL AND PROSPER. ANYONE WHO IS NOT ON BOARD WITH ACN ARE STUPID 9 TO 5 LOSERS. TIE A BRICK TO YOUR ANKLE AND JUMP OFF THE NEXT BRIDGE YOU CROSS. See how credible that all sounded by using cap locks. So how many people below you had to lose $500 for you to get your money back you dumb bitch? And you have made more? How much. Please tell us. I heard one guy on here got a residual check for $2. That's crazy money. And no, not all companies are pyramids. Only the ones that charge a sign-up fee and don't really sell a legitimate service.

Here's my opinion. Run like the wind. I know 3 different people in my area who fell for this crap. 2 of them could afford to lose the $500 which they probably did and just walked away. They asked for their money back, but I'm not sure if they ever received the refund. The other person really can't afford to lose that kind of money so she is plugging away at it and trying to make her sign-up fee back, but she absolutely hates it and regrets ever getting involved. What she regrets most is knowing that she mislead friends who signed up who also can't afford to lose that kind of money. Now she has has less money and less friends. You decide.

It comes down to this: you are either too smart or too dumb for ACN. If you are too smart then you won't do it because you realize it's a pointless scam. If you are too dumb, you won't do it because you believe everything is a pointless scam. It's all those in between moron and genius that get scammed and sign up. I'm no sucker normally, but I was exposed to ACN at a time in my life when I needed change, so I was vulnerable. Any other time and I would have totally blown it off. The rep who signed me up was so sleazy and deceiteful, and told me I'd do fine eventhough I was VERY reluctant to join based on the fact I don't know many people. The dumbass told me it was no big deal and that guy's riding bicycles have become SVP's before. But then it wasn't more than a month later and he was sitting in my living room staring at me frustrated and perplexed that not one person showed up for the presentation. I feel some compasssion for him because he was old and I know he was desperately trying to make this work since he had wasted so much time and money and caused so many people to lose theirs. In the two or three months I dealt with him I could tell that he and his girlfriend hated each other for doing this business. They'd immediately argue with each other over every little aspect, especially when things went wrong, which was often. I ended up breaking up with my girlfriend over ACN, but I soon got another one and dropped ACN like a bad habit. My new girl hasn't even heard of ACN, not that I've ever mentioned it to her–and for good reason. But I bet my old sponsor and his girlfriend are still arguing over the failures of each new rep they sucker in. Too bad people are so stubborn and won't back down and admit defeat when common sense and logic dictate doing so.

I was going thru my old ACN notebook last night, just to laugh at the stupidity. I saw a pharase my upline told me to write down that was very important: “Become an expert at promoting events.” I wondered why he thought that was so important. Then I finally realized why. The events they want you to promote require traveling and lots of money. Anyone you get to attend has to commit time and money to ACN. And that right there is how they get you. If you've put this much time and money into it, might as well keep going with it, right? WRONG! I remember them trying to sucker me into the “Earth-shattering” annual meeting for $150 or whatever exorbitant price it was. Even when I was gung ho about ACN, I STILL wasn't going to pay that, nor could I afford the plane tickets to get to North Carolina, NOR could I take the time off work. And they actually expected reps to bring prospects there?!? Yeah, like I'm sure some prospect has $150 + $300 for plane tickets, + $300 for hotel…all just for some “business opportunity” they heard about on a lark. Granted, when I first got involved I was ignorant as to their practices and I did spend time learning how the business worked. But once I realized how ridiculous their expectations for success were, I cut my losses and quit. My upline guy didn't care because I think he was glad to be done with me so he didn't have to face up to the failure he created.

You are my hero. Love your posts.

Like Mr. Trump!! TRUMP 2012!! lol what a joke!

For $500 I can buy a lot of gasoline.

Racism? Really? Go play in traffic.

As a neutral party, the Truth Speaker won that debate.

Sounds like your upline has you a little frustrated.

John, sounds like your protecting your cashcow. I”ll bet you”re sittin on top of that pyramid arent you. The State of Montana , Securities Case #sec-2010-12, Cease & Desist order issued by the Commissioner declared ACN a PYRAMID SCEME trumps your BS. The 1800 people in Montana im sure would like to meet you.

I was asked to join ACN by my neighbor. I was doing research to see what it was about. I found a report from “Montana”. This report exposes the true ACN. Look it up for yourself. The Commissioner of Securities of the” State Of Montana” Cease & Desist, order Case #SEC-2010-12″ It says they are declared a Pyramid Scheme. Don't let me sway your opinion. The cease & desist order speaks for itself

Lucky I had family around before I was to invest in this shit. My teacher from a technical school tried recruiting all former students to his house about a meeting..A new technology? So I decided to go hear the presentation and told that if i was to be part of his team I would have to supply them my credit card info. Everything is hush-hush on this system..meaning they want you to not let people know about the company just to get potential customers to YOUR house. When they showed up to my house they showed up late, then someone I had not seen before was with them claiming he was the husband of one of the other two reps. So as I tell family (LIE!) about there reputation of sucess they have you play their dvd with donald! No one is buying it! So like any good buisness person would do they just sat around while we were preparing dinner. They decided that was it and left, uh oh! they forgot there box of phones papers materials ect. They came back and knocked on my door and claimed they had left there car keys in my sofa. No Luck! I left to the store and when I had returned I was told by family that they came back again not once but twice first looking for a hanger then if we knew someone that could help. So as I went outside and approached them I asked if they had AAA, Nope! If you are being successfull in buisness wouldn't you have insurance for this knowing you are driving all around town trying to recruit people? Anyways my brother in law was able to break in there car and retrieve their keys. These people looked homeless with ripped jeans their car was a wreck and looked they were living in it. So if anyone has doubts about this just think to yourself if you want crooks in your house talking to your family with 2faces about how wealthy they are and how good the buisness is.
BEWARE!!
Scammers comming to a town near you!
Also right after they had left I destroyed my credit card because I had given them my info at the meeting the day before!

I had a hard time following this story, but I think I can summarize it pretty well. Smells Like got suckered into ACN by his ex-teacher, he threw a presentation at his families house the next day, some unreliable ACN crooks who he did not recognize showed up late, they showed everyone their stupid video, but luckily nobody bought into their scam, he felt humiliated and left the house to avoid any further humiliation, the ACN crooks live in a shitty car and wear crappy clothes, they locked their keys inside the shitty car, his brother-in-law broke into the car, gave the ACN crooks their keys and off the scam artists went empty handed. He then cancelled his credit card. Does that sound right? You better check your credit card spending history my friend. I guarantee they ran it the moment they got your number. Just call your credit card company and tell them you fell victim to a MLM scheme and they will usually not honor the charge. Good luck!!! I would hate to see you lose $500 to these scumbags.

Thanks for showing everybody this finding. Here is a statement I found online. This is cut and pasted directly from the article. This is not my statement GiveMeaBreak so this is not libel dumbass.

Earlier today the Montana Commissioner of Securities and Insurance Monica Lindeen (D) announced the issuance of a Cease and Desist Order and Notice of Proposed Agency Action against ACN, Inc. and several of its founders for allegedly operating a “pyramid scheme.”

One of the primary concerns cited in the announcement was the allegation that Montana participants “must personally buy” and sell a phone service that is “largely not available for use in Montana”.

The Commissioner also cited the low average earnings of ACN reps based in Montana. Allegedly, in 2008 ACN recruited 91 Montana participants who “paid approximately $61,741.69 to be a part of the program”, averaging $678 each. All but two lost money, with one making $696 and the other making $700. In 2009 “over 300″ Montana participants joined ACN and paid about $234,800, averaging about $775 each. According to the Commissioner's Office ACN's records show $896.86 was paid out to these participants, in total.

Well done ACN reps. You guys are making crazy cash as we all can see. Where do I sign up? And the odds look great as well. 2 people out of 91 did not lose money. I like how that was phrased. Typically it's easier to say it the other way around. 89 out of 91 ACN reps lost money. HaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!! Quit lying to us you losers. Give up on ACN and get a real job and pay some taxes to help out this horrible economy we are in.

Hey dumbass, according to the Montana state government it apparently is not a legal business. And it's not 'paramid' it's 'pyramid'. If you are going to be involved in a pyramid scheme at least spell it right. And are you so damn lazy that you can't put the effort into typing out family rather than fam? And it's 'your' not 'ur'. Nobody wants to read your text message language you whiny little baby. It's clearly not the 'best company' and as I posted in reply to 'Smells Like' nobody is making any money at it. Go cry to your upline and please respond.

Hi I just joined Acn and these issues have been on my mind. Ok first yep money goes to the top. Where doesn't it? I want to get there. Yep it's 500 bucks for all you who lost whomever or whatever over 500 bucks Acn was not your problem. It gives you a shot at becoming wealthy. Its not over night some reps do just say the big numbers and if your not smart enough to figure that out then you need some life lessons. Ok you can walk around with your computer and offer friends and family services. Instead of the retail stores making money off them you are. Now of course you can give it back to them or keep it. This is a PART time business that becomes FULL time that is why the money goes up cause they are working this thing FULL time you are not. Makes sense to me. So put your time in quit complaining lazy.

Was that just a bunch of sentence fragments or one continuous train of nonsense? No one is getting wealthy from ACN idiot. Can't you read the other posts on here about $2 residual checks and 89 out of 91 people in Montana all losing money on this scam. Wow!!! What great odds and what an awesome opportunity to get rich. Give me a break loser. I think you need a life lesson and maybe a course on basic grammar. And not everything is a pyramid scheme you stupid ACN morons. I know that's what they teach you at the very informative millionaire's club meetings. Excel and prosper my friend. You are just another sucker who donated $500 to your upline.

Just to get this straight, I've been to the training events, the meetings, the seminars and have heard all the top dogs of ACN and they all say the same shit, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT. This has to be the most elaborate pyramid scam today. Trust me the people you think have become your friends are only being nice to you and smiling at you just to get MONEY out of you. They want those $500 to keep supporting their lazy asses cuz they dont want to earn their money like everyone else. Everyone out there if you hear ACN turn it down, dont believe the hype that you will realize your dreams with this company. Do what you want to do and dont let these lying assholes tell you what to do in order to make money. They use the drill and kill method at their stupid trainings to brainwash you into believing you'll make easy money. Only the top dogs make the money off of your hard work. Stay away from ACN! It's not worth it.

LOL, what flavor is your Kool-Aid?

God, money's not looking for the cure. God, money's not concerned about the sick among the poor. God, moeny, let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised. God, money's not one to choose…..

I went to the ACN website and looked at their price for Dish Network. Then I went to Dish Network, and to my surprise………the exact same price (minus the $500 down, extra $30 a month, and additioanl $149 annual fee)

19 years later people STILL think ACN is a scam? My mother once told me “everyone else can't be wrong”.

Hey Tom Mack, I've recently worked on my self development, my personal growth, and I've rubbed shoulders with some successful people, and I've even got educated with life. What the hell does that mean anyway???? And by the way, I still think ACN is a scam you brainwashed idiot.

Gizmo, I came to the website with an open mind to read reviews on ACN. I have a friend who is trying to get me to sign up but could not answer basic questions about the business model when I asked. I am a business major and have the good fortune to know what questions to ask. A higher level ACN rep said she would get into trouble if she told me what the average compensation was. She also made several false claims including that Skype was not encrypted. I gave her the benefit of the doubt that her sales pitch was not well researched instead of assuming she was intentionally lying. After reading this forum and others I have come to realize that the majority of the pro-ACN reviews were from people like you who spew hate and make wild claims like having an advanced degree when clearly you barely grasp the english language. I suspect you are new to our country and brought that hate with you, but that is just my opinion and really isn't relevant just like most of what you write. Either present facts or at least articulate an opinion with intelligent arguments to back your claims. You are actually hurting ACN because when people come here to read reviews, you represent the organization and come off as a douche. No one wants to get into business with a douche.

what a croc
you are so unsuccessful you made a website to prove it

Typical brainwashed ACN rep. Everybody who questions or criticizes ACN is unsuccessful and broke. Here's the reality dumb dumb. There are lots of legitimate sales jobs out there. I have personally been in sales my whole life. Not once have I had a rep sign up below me and pay a fee and then have him sign up more reps under him and make them pay a fee. That's called a pyramid scheme dumbass. Follow the system and take your ACN bullshit elsewhere.

Well ACN clones, your poster boy Donald Trump continues to make a fool of himself in front of the media. His press conference yesterday was impressive. He said at least a dozen times he was so proud of himself and he honors himself for doing what no one else was able to do which is to get the president to show his long form birth certificate. I don't even know what it means to honor yourself but he said it multiple times. Well the president showed it and proved he was born in Hawaii. Trump didn't even have the dignity to say he was wrong for accusing the president of not being born in the U.S. He then changes gears and is now accusing Obama of not being fit to attend college because of bad grades. Are you kidding me??? Now I'm no fan of Obama, but come on clones, this Trump guy is a stellar representation of your company. A bunch of egomaniac liars and cheats. Trump has filed for bankruptcy at least 4 times in his past and his one IPO stock offering went from $30 a share to pennies on the dollar in less than a year. Almost as worthless as ACN. Find a new scam and find a new spokesperson losers. I think Gary Busey is available. He represented your company well on the recent Celebrity Apprentice you are all so proud of. Hey John Melton, I watched that episode again and still didn't see you anywhere. I could of sworn you said you were going to be featured on it. Oh well, just another liar and cheat I guess.

i think you mean “is spell check broken”………..

I spent a long time reading this forum. I wanted to let everyone know about my experience with ACN. I used to work a very crappy job with very crappy pay. I am married with two kids. The reason i joined was to make some extra money to keep my wife at home to raise our kids so that she wouldnt have to work.
I got caught up in the whole “get rich quick thing” and quit my job WAY to soon. ACN has been both one of the worst things ive done and also one of the best things ive done.
Ill explain:
I never went to college or even graduated high school for that matter (with that said please dont bash my improper grammar if there is any lol).
I got married very young to the my high school sweet heart and the girl of my dreams and started a family young, making it hard to go back to school and get a good education to pursue a decent paying job.
4 years of struggles and ACN fell into my lap right after our second daughter was born and my wife didnt qualify for maternity leave, STRESS!!!
After a year of hard work with ACN i only made about $500, BUT the personal growth and development i went through during this period was very much worth the $500. Even though i didnt make much money with ACN it seemed to open alot of new doors for me. My confidence grew huge when talking to successful people on a professional level and people started to notice the change in the way i walk, talk, and acted having known me pre-ACN.
I am in no way saying ACN doesnt work. I know for a fact that it does IF you have the right personality and drive. The person i was working with started at QTT and is not a top producing TC and almost RD and ive seen some of his cheques (not 25,000, but still very decent income).
My thing was i wasnt comfotable and confident enough pitching someone on a business opportunity when i had little to no success myself and drove a 98 mazda protege. Not that what you drive means much, but when your trying to pitch someone on a great business opportunity…….thats what they are going to look at. So needless to say recruiting didnt go very well for me.
Anyway to make a long story short, leaving my job to pursue ACN was both dumb and great because i had learned so much and job offers started coming in. I got offered a job as a sales rep for a large vancouver company and on a walk in sales call to a car dealership, the owner turned down what i was selling but told me he wanted me to work for him. He was impressed by my approach and self confidence and wanted someone like me at his dealership. So yes be careful when joining ACN, but also look at the positive outcomes of things you pursue. Even if things dont work out the way you thought……good things can come about out of anything.
Cheers and i wish all the best to ACN reps and non ACN reps. Hope you all find what your looking for

First decent post with some English plus some logic thrown in! Well done.

Now my 2 cents' input: I just spent 2 hrs touring the ACN HQ in Australia. There were 150 paid employees, servicing 90,000 subscribers in Australia/New Zealand. They have 7,000 MLM reps and have been operating for 7 years. That is not some scamy fly-by-night shop, in my humble opinion!

Will I join? No, because I can make more of a living from my existing job, and I am not really into MLM for all the well documented reasons. But I don't think it is a either illegal or a scam.

So, I think all you people that keep re-posting here, you could make money if you spent half that effort in EARNING it! LOL.

Have a great day, folks…

Yes Gizmo, everything she stated is correct. She made her point. Nice post!!!!

I'm a real estate agent in a small town and I make $250,000 a year. How much are you making from ACN?

When I read through their comp plan the payout on services sold was 1/4 of 1%. That means that if you sell someone $200 of monthly services you make residual income of…Drum Roll… 50 cents. Better get out selling fast. It also means that if you sell $100,000 of monthly services your residual income will be…$250 per month. And yes, I know, if you go down several levels you will make more. Holy God, I should hope so. It will take you forever to make any real money unless you are constantly harrassing people to sign up. That is where your income will come from. Very, very, very few, less than 1% of reps make a solid income. The state of Montana filed suit against ACN and stated: “The Commissioner also cited the low average earnings of ACN reps based in Montana. Allegedly, in 2008 ACN recruited 91 Montana participants who “paid approximately $61,741.69 to be a part of the program”, averaging $678 each. All but two lost money, with one making $696 and the other making $700. In 2009 “over 300″ Montana participants joined ACN and paid about $234,800, averaging about $775 each. According to the Commissioner's Office ACN's records show $896.86 was paid out to these participants, in total.” I am fully aware Montana dropped the cease and desist order but they still pursued fines. It's the same ol' same ol' regardless of how hyped up you get at the meetings, no matter how big they tell you to dream, no matter how many times they tell you your dream isn't big enough yet. I tried to help out my friend and told her if I could get direct tv for less I would sign up with her. She came back and said she found out if I already had it she couldn't do it. Oh, something else they forgot to tell her. The company is full of it. When I was researching them I found another business that is not MLM where you sell the same services and receive 25% commissions. No sign up fee to the rep. Hmmm, 25% vs 1/4 of 1%. What makes sense here? They are called Commission River, check it out. I make nothing to let you know about them, I am not signed up with them…just saying. Do your research and you will find out the same things I did. I have a background in finance and so checked everything out.

Wow!!! ACN sounds so lucrative when put that way. I'd rather invest $499 in lottery tickets or buy swampland in Florida. What do you ACN losers have to say about this great post??? You know what I love most about this website? The ACN clones who are new to the business and are still in the euphoric state of just signing up and still believe they are going to be instant millionaires all say ACN is not a scam and we are all broke losers for not believing the BS. It's what their recruiter told them so it must be true. They come on here and ignore all the horror stories of past reps and people who lost everything because they bought into the scam. The weird thing is we never hear from them again. Are they so busy spending their money they don't have time to come back on and post stories of their success??? No, they are ashamed and can't admit they were wrong. Quit defending this scam losers. I was out last night and ran into a guy who is involved in a similar pyramid scheme called Ignite Energy. He got everyone in my group all excited about saving them money on their electrict bills. He was talking about all these savings and was passing out business cards and everyone was really buying into his crap. Finally one of my friends said he would like to get a quote on transitioning his electric bill over to Ignite. Guess what his response was? He told my friend he will have to come to one of his presentations next week to learn more. He wasn't interested in selling him an energy contract. He just wanted to recruit him to be another one of his reps. He said he only needs ten reps below him to advance to the next level. What a bunch of shit!!!! Luckily my friend did not commit to anything and when this guy left our group I explained the scam to them. None of them will be attending. Screw you ACN and screw you Ignite Energy. Quit stealing people's money and quit giving false hope of riches to losers who are dumb enough to buy into this crap.

HOW is this a scam at all??? People, you are spending money on the services that ACN provides whether you are with their company or another. The only difference is that you actually SAVE money by switching to their services. I am not a rep, I just subscribe to their cable, internet, and phone services and save approximately $50 per month. A relative set me up with the services and I couldn't be happier. The bottom line is this: If you actually get off your ass and put in the work required, you WILL make money. However, if you sit around waiting for the money/clients to come to you then you will fail..and likely blame the company, accusing ACN of being a scam (like so many of you on here). How is that any different from any job you may choose?

Anyway, just my two cents..but it seems to me that a lot of people on here are making assumptions without actually trying the services for themselves or speaking from any first hand experiences that they have had. If you do not want to work hard or cannot commit to signing up reps..then DO NOT PAY THE $500..because you will probably lose it! However, if you are committed and determined, then there is a huge opportunity to make some serious money here! Again, haven't signed up to be a rep, however a close relative of mine is a rep and is having great success! As soon as I am able..I will definitely give it a shot as WHO DOESN'T LOVE SAVING MONEY AND HELPING PEOPLE??

Goodluck!

You guys are so stupid and close minded. Just look at the bigger picture,when you look at the masses, only 3% are millionaires, the other 97% are not, same with acn or anything in life. Millions of kids wanna be pro basketball players but how many of them actually make it? Exactly! When you really think hard about it, which you people seem to have not, then you'll realize that everything in like is like that. If your lucky enough or smart enough to find away to get in that small percentage than thats awesome for you, but most people don't, which is completely true for acn and everything else. I can already tell the side of the equation all of you fall under. I would hate to be as negative as you guys, cause then Id probably be in your situations. Complaining and hating life.
I love ACN and its only been 2 months for me. But hey, I guess i'm in that small percentage.

Dboy, I don't hate life or complain. I do have a big problem with ACN's business practices. They are deceitful. We all have dreams. Dreams are good. If I decide I want to be a pro basket ball player, I have to work hard, have talent and get that big break. If I want to succeed at ACN, I have to start with scaming my friends and family out of 499.00. I just saw the movie “The Fighter” last night. The no good crack head brother had gotten himself involved in a pyramid scheme and is trying to get an immigrant family to all join for 200.00 dollars each. He kept telling the family he was offering them a once in a lifetime opportunity. I recommend watching the movie and taking a good hard look at yourself, Dboy. Stay with ACN and you will wind up just as despised as that crack head brother.
You are simply part of the percentage who got scammed by the person who recruited you. Your upline tell tell you anything to keep you recruiting for them. Wise up and get out before you lose everything!

Actually im not getting scammed cause checks magically show up in the mailbox. I have billionaire friends who are involved and they love it. if billionaires like it, then i have a billion reasons to listen to there advice about finances then the average joe. sorry you dont like it man but i love it.

you work for a pyramid idiot

Judy.. YOU need the grammar course. It is ” should have” not “should of”

Hey Baerjr…. Let us all know when you quit your day job because of all the money you are making with ACN.

OK, you have gone from being scammed to being the scammer. Tell me, how many people had to lose 499.00 so you could get your check?

First of all I don't believe almost anything you said in this ridiculous post. How many billionaire friends do you have? According to Forbes there are only 403 in the U.S. and 946 worldwide and you know a bunch of them???? Really??? And checks just magically appear in your mailbox??? I agree with NotFooled and want to know how many of your friends and family members you had to lie to to get where you are at, which I believe is nowhere. You have been tricked and brainwashed by your recruiter obviously. These are the kind of things they teach you to say. Everyone is broke. Everyone works a mediocre 9 to 5 job. Don't be a slave to your boss. ACN will bring you riches beyond your wildest dreams. Give me a break loser. Why don't you really tell us how big your checks are and how often they magically appear in the mailbox at your parents house. I bet they are so proud of you for your stellar career choice. Probably not because they are still mad you stole $499 from them.

To the nay sayers,

I have been with ACN for two years. No, I have never lied to anyone. It is simple, not always easy. There is a difference. I was ONLY told “this is NOT a get rich quick scheme” If that's what I was looking for, I was in the wrong room! I understood that.

Like any business it takes 3-5 years to be successful. Is there a proven
track record in place with ACN ? Yes. I can tell you I spent a whole
lot more in the first 3 years with my corporation and worked a heck of a
lot harder and my family paid dearly in many ways. Business is
business, bad people weed themselves out eventually.

The test and truth
is you are responsible for how YOU conduct yourself and yes, that
duplicates too. Good thing I think, as I am helping many people to make money. That's what I do. Bottom line, I want no person on MY team that doesn't understand this. I work closely with new people hence helping the up-line. It benefits no one to pull along people who don't understand this.

I have told many people to get there money back (they have 10 days to do that) the moment I see them NOT following the “system”. I can't help them if they try to run this business without integrity and commitment to a new form of business (be coach-able, and DON”T SELL THIS). By the way, that was true of the corporation I owned as well. Many of these posts are written by un coach-able personalities I would have handed them their money back in a hot flash!

Just as I suspected. No reply from Dreadboy321. Just a pack of scripted lies from a typical ACN clone.

I am an ACN rep and the I am not here to preach how amazing the company is etc.. It is difficult to make money from this in the beginning, however if you stick to it eventually you will get there. I just want to point out that ACN (as a company) does not promise that everyone who joins will be rich. The reps however…. out of desperation… tell others they WILL get rich. THAT is unethical and I would never support that. I have been in the business for 6 months, working part time at it while holding up a full time job. I only make $494 in residual/ month. Is it 'rich'? No. Does it pay for the car every month? Yes. I never tell, or have told for that matter, anyone they WILL get rich. I have instead told them that this business is tough and if you stick with it and do it ethically, then you can make a decent amount of passive income.

Jay.

Are you making the residuals from recruiting or by selling services? According to my math at the current rate of ACN compensation you would have to have $200,000 a month in contract sales to make that much commission. At an average of $150 a contract that's over 1,300 customers!!! Sounds kind of high to me after only being in for 6 months. How many people are losing their $499 for you to make that measley $494 a month? All you ACN reps have dropped your allegiance with Trump and are now being coached to talk about ethics. What is so ethical about luring people into a pyramid scheme when you know up front that 99% of them are never going to see a dime of their money back. And don't come back on here and tell us that ACN sells telecom services at a great price. That's been clearly refuted on here by several people who can't even get a cell phone contract through ACN or can't cancel their stupid video phone subscription. Well good for you anyway. At least your english is pretty good (unlike the rest of the ACN morons who post here) and you get your car payment paid every month by scamming people. I sleep pretty well at night knowing that I have a bunch of friends and family members I can depend on and who trust me. I'm not sure about anyone involved with ACN. Drop the ethics bullshit. None of us are buying it.

Ever get talked into buying a piece-of-sh*t used car? That's ACN! The guys that own the lot are the Provenzano's of the world. Why, for god's sake would any company *charge it's own contractors* $30 per month to look at their sales pipeline and database? That's NUTS! Why would any REAL company forbid you do advertise your service (even though many get around this limitation)? Why would any legit company not assign *territories* to its *best* reps?

Look, just like the used car “salesman”, ACN wraps a smelly, rotting fish in a nice piece of wrapping paper that's hermetically sealed. You don't notice the smell until you take it home.

ACN uses very, very good “bonding” techniques in their personal marketing schemes to get people to fork over their money. They also throw the few successful people in ACN out front, because they know that people want to believe that they, too, can be rich – especially after they just plunked down $500 and rang up the courage to ask 5 of their best friends to do the same – on a promise.

Notice that many of the “successful” ACN folks came from other network marketing companies – companies that they were likely in on during early stages. ACN will *pay* high level people from other companies to join their network. They don't advertise that, but they do. Other networks do the same thing.

Trump? You mean the guy who inherited $40M from his father and talks about his “self made man” bulls*it? Trump is playing chief clown in his own circus – and he's laughing all the way to the bank because lots of ignorant people want to identify with what he represents – monied success! That's America!

These ACN whores (the executive management at ACN) are the lowest of the low. They're rich, but they want more, so they keep selling their half-baked promises and using every manipulative marketing trick in the book to separate mostly people who can't afford it from their money.

Videophones? They buy $50Milion in a practically dead technology fro a penny stock company and call that an “opportunity”? You can buy a laptop with a camera for $500 and no monthly fee tomorrow, at Best Buy, or even less, used, and in great condition. Videophone? Jack sh*t!

I know people who plunked down $500 and then bought services for themselves. And, they're paying for every little marketing support trinket that ACN sends them. they pay to go to the meetings (which ACN makes a profit on), and many of them are doubling, tripling and quadrupling up in hotel rooms because they're stretching to pay the air and hotel costs. Sick.

Most of these people will drop out, and will live short ACN lives, living vicariously through the few at the top who have “made it” – even though many of those who “made it” came from somewhere else and got paid by ACN to “flip”.

I know a SVP who recently went to open up a “lucrative” foreign market, and brough a newbie with him to help. Why that newbie and not one of the hard working people in his downline? I'll tell you why; there are large suspicions that the new guy paid for the privilege, and he got handed accounts in return. They won't tell you about that, but it often happens that way.

Frankly, I detest these MLM whores at the top. Why whores? Because they have sold their integrity for a buck; they won't admit that, but that's what it amounts to. And, they've turned into pimps as well, by using the art of persuasion to sucker others into their game. Sad.

In fact, the ACN executives are selling empty dreams; they're selling broken down shiney used cars that are made to look like a bargain, until you take it home and live with it for a few months. That's ACN. There's a sucker born every day, and ACN knows where they all live. They're that good!

Dreadboy is lying. don't buy into the hype.

he's making money because acn “ceo's” are obviously paying him to endorse. moron

i like everything truth speaker had to say. i say you should quit wasting your time with acn. accept your losses and move on

Nice job my friend!!!  So much anger and so much truth.  Good questions by the way.  What legitimate sales organization charges their sales reps anything to better their chance of them being successful sales people?  Don't you think they would encourage and nurture their success?  No, they would rather suck every penny they can out of every sucker they sign up.  $150 for the national conference.  $10 for the stupid millionaire's club meetings.  I've also heard they charge their reps for some stupid motivational sales videos as well.  What legitimate business does not allow you to advertise???  ACN reps are told to not even tell prospective recruits what the name of the company is.  Why?  Because they all know it's a scam.  Google suggests the word scam when you type in ACN.  If they told you the name of the company no one would even show up to the presentations.  Again, nice job.  I enjoyed your post.

Where are you Dreadboy321.  Hangin' on a yacht in the Cayman Islands with some of your billionaire buds?  Maybe chillin' in Vegas at the pool bar at the Hard Rock?  What?  No internet access on the boat or at the pool?  I thought that's what you sold.  A dream of untold riches and discounted internet access.  Oh, and a shitty video phone.  You better start paying your parents some rent money.  They are not going to let you live in their basement for free much longer.  Stupid A-hole.

Be coachable.  Follow the system.  Drink the Kool-Aid.  Why do I think of Jim Jones when I read this post?

Dreadboy321 it's 'because' not 'cause'.  Cause is the producer of an effect, result, or consequence.  Because is an idiom or a conjunction.  For example.  My friend lured me into ACN because he is a broke idiot.  And it 'their advice' not 'there advice'.  Two completely different meanings.  For example.  If I would have taken their advice and joined ACN I would be $500 poorer.  Get it?

I read your article and although you do speak from percepted facts they do not take into consideration ALL the facts in each case.  Your advice is to put $500 in the bank and then do nothing!  I say get off the couch, shut off the tv, and go out and DO SOMETHING! I have been in ACN only a few months and I get what is referred to as “mailbox money”  That is my ACN check based upon my efforts.  No I am not rich yet, but I am making money.  This money has already surpassed my fees in only 4 months!  If I had taken your advice I would not earn the equivalent for about another 20, 30 maybe even 40 years!  Anybody can do the math to see how long it takes to double your money on differing interest rates. But i have doubled my money in four months and will continue to get paid every other week or maybe only once a month.  But that is based on MY EFFORT!  If you want to be rich, listen to rich people.  If you want to be broke, listen to you and other broke people.  You will become the average of the five people you hang around most. Dont listen to lemmings, listen to successful people to obtain success!  Be an example, Make your life a STATEMENT, not an apology!

No you are not rich yet. You will never be successful until you wise up and quit falling for every scam you hear of. I'm glad you made your money back, but tell me, how many of your “friends and family” did you have to sign up first? How many of them could afford to lose 499.00? Do you even care? I have seen first hand how ACN really works. You will either not have the stomach for being a CON artist and will quit in the next couple months or you will be like my idiot ex friend and not quit untill you are homeless, broke and have no friends left who will speak to you. 

As for the 500 in the bank, it's  called a savings account. You need one. I shouldn't have to explain why.

Your ACN upline are the last people I would think of for mentoring on how to obtain wealth. They will suck you dry and kick you to the curb when they are done with you.

There are many excellent posts on this site that explain why it's next to impossible to make money at ACN. Stop listening to your upline's attempts to brainwash you and read them!

Vote statistics shows nothing at least because it doesn't ask for how long you are in the business and if you are in the business at all. Most people reading this article are those who are thinking to enter this business or not, looking for any information opposite to ACN advertisements, to weight the risks… So, of course, most of the answers should be “from $0 to $50″. 

My friends who are in business for 1.5 months have already gotten 1.500$ back. That is from bonuses,  not regular monthly pay, but they returned what they invested. Business man is attitude, so of course, not everybody can be successful in business. 
Second, these my friends took electricity  and internet/telephone for themselves services just because it saves their money. They don't hope to earn a lot of monthly income right away, but they have discounted prices for home services and because of improvements of the payments/bonuses system in ACN, they expect to get at least something in the beginning, and thousands/month after may be 2 years. But they do not invest money in it any more… And they have their jobs. So, it is whatever they can get on the top of their regular salaries. Then why not to work on it? Only those who start should fel that they can be business people – not everybody can. I know a lot of business-men who started from nothing, selling some products on the streets… But not everybody who does it becomes a successful business man. So, check up your attitude before you start. Or just get a services you like – and that's it!
It is right that Pyramid- Scam idea is the first idea coming to people's heads when they listen about ACN , but actually, if you return the money you invested (just 500$), then the risk looks like goes down…The worst you get – nothing. But it is with every business. If you do not work, it won't be done.

But is it possible to do the business without going to all those meetings, especially if you need to pay for them? Conferences in any area of this life is a paid option, more expensive than the value… but also not necessary to attend… 

So, people should pay $30 each month to see the recruitment scheme? That's not good… What else hidden payments are there?

yeh, the biggest problem for me would be to approach my friends to invest 500$ into business I can't promise they are able to continue… Not everybody is so convincing. Also I don't like some need for meetings – no time actually, plus expenses on gas and parking in Toronto or wherever else… 
Also, there is nothing about warranty of their products… What id the phone is broken? Nice looking toy, but really, I can use skype to talk for free. I am thinking that this free thing may disappear one day.. And free international calls are based actually on it… 
Can somebody open all what is hidden, in numbers?

that is interesting idea about ACN clone… )))))))

in any businesspeople work for their boss actually… He makes millions, but also gives the rest of people an opportunity to make some money  - by involving in his scheme, by teaching how to work… That is how all businesses work. On the top of 500$ the beginner should pay, one of the facts I don't like in ACN business – they do not have the main office where you can come… And that's true – we are all busy on our works… But still.. I am thinking that those who have abilities, make this business working… Friends of my friends, who are near 2 years in the business and who didn't afraid to start, already make big money… Some people are born to be businessmen… people work for their boss actually… He makes millions, but also gives the rest of people an opportunity to make some money  - by involving in his scheme, by teaching how to work… That is how all businesses work. On the top of 500$ the beginner should pay, one of the facts I don't like in ACN business – they do not have the main office where you can come… And that's true – we are all busy on our works… But still.. I am thinking that those who have abilities, make this business working… Friends of my friends, who are near 2 years in the business and who didn't afraid to start, already make big money… Some people are born to be businessmen…

Wow! That is terrible.. that is the main problem here – spoiled people's relationship…

yeh, right, for example, I am busy enough without it… And got a good job in some honest business, not grabbing money from people if they don't need our service, but benefiting those who got it… why I would start risking to lose my friends? But now I am afraid that if I refuse my friends to join them, they also won't be my that good friends… Should I pay now 500$ to make my friends happy? No, I will better give a normal job to their child…  Anyway, my friends have already gotten the money they invested back… So, they lose nothing staying there… Oh no! they lose! they are going to those meetings that are more than 100km from their home!

And nobody tells there about electricity discount. Is it really something that works? My friends are about to add ACN electricity service in their home. Somebody knows what can be hidden under it?

“hey needed to keep their relationships going and couldn't say no”

EXACTLY!!!

Thank you so much for not being lazy to write all this here Very helpful… Oh, my poor friends… More I read, more I understand. I am happy that I first google scam, then sign for anything… gle scam, then sign for anything…

I also think there is the reason in Truth Speaker posts. I am also a neutral party. I wanted to understand if I have to join my friends… And now I am thinking how to help them at all, but I don't want this extra job for myself, and what I found out here, wasn't presented me by my friends… So, they actually should hide some sides of the business to make their friends join them… But it is good, they received their money back and even more… through bonuses. Probably they have necessary attitude for this kind of work…

To all you idiots. I have friends that are pro basketball players and football players who are all pulling over a million a month. Are they part of ACN? absolutely. You know why? cause there smart and they know what it takes to make money.All you people can say what you say and think what you think and guess what? your gonna keep getting what you got financially. Nothing will change in your lifestyle when your mindset stays the same.Anyway, my few friends that joined are making money which means i'm making money.Like i said, sorry it didn't work out for you, but it is for me and my buddies. I love opening my mailbox and seeing a green check that sais ACN on it. I know you don't get that otherwise you wouldn't be bitching. 
BTW microsoft bought out skype and there actually making a video phone similar to ACNs.
I didnt know skype and microsoft thought the video phones were cool and a good investment and I bet none of you did either.
Haha 3 years from now most of the masses will have some sort of video phone weather it be from skype or acn. sorry to all you people who don't comprehend how real money is made.
BTW, TRUTH SPEAKER speaks the truth straight from his asshole. I see him posting on everything. Obviously he has nothing better to do then to hate on what he wishes he had. Anyway, this is my last message. I gotta go check the mailbox to see if my weekly check has come in.
I wont be replying so peace out mutha fakkkahhhs

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You can speak your pathetic truth all you like.My truth is very prosperous so i love it.
BTW, im 19 so i do still live with my parents. But i don't need their money like you probably did cause I play music for a living. ACN is a side thing for me. A very cool side thing.
Btw there many renown musicians here in hawaii who I bet you listen to that are part of acn along with me and there all for it as well.
Shoots BRahhhhh

What doe the weather have to do with Skype and a video phone by the way?  Learn english dumbass.

I did not know there were that many stupid people in Hawaii.  How many people have fallen for your scam?   And what's your band called?  I'd like to go make fun of you on YouTube.  Oh, and I knew you lived with your parents.  You sound like a spoiled little bitch.

I'm calling b-s on this post.  First you are friends with billionaires.  Now you are buds with NBA and NFL players.  I'm assuming you are also friends with Obama since he was born in Hawaii.  Who else do you know?  Bill Gates and Warren Buffett?  Jerry Garcia?  He used to spend alot of time there.  You are so full of shit. Go clean the cat box and tidy up your room.  Your mom will be home soon and she will be pissed if you have not finished your chores.  And get a hair cut.  You probably look stupid with dreadlocks.

you don't have to sign your friends up to be a rep to make money…you make residual off of their energy bills..fees which they pay regardless of what company they are with. There is no charge to sign up for their services AND you actually save money. I save approximately $50 a month by switching and I am not a sales rep.

hahaha I actually do know professional athletes you dumb ass. I have cousins who play NBA basketball and NFL football. My brother works with some of the most elite real estate investors in hawaii and a couple of them are actually billionaires.  Go shove your ignorance right back up your ass.You don't know me and you sure as hell don't know who I am associated with.I bet your one of those Old, Fat, ugly,super irritating guys who hasn't gotten laid in years. You probably sit at home, watch porn on the internet and creep on girls who are probably much younger then you. I could be wrong but if you have nothing better to do then to go on this site for the past 8 months and bitch about ACN that tells me that someone is kinda lonely.BTW I have had dreads for 12 years so there actually super sick.Maybe if you watch the TV show OFF THE MAP or COUGAR TOWN, you will see me cause i'm on both of those shows.Then you can see how BAD my dreads really look hahaha.

Hahaha def not spoiled. I play music for a living and probably make more money doing it then you.

So what do you do for a living DOUCHE BAG?

I thought you said you were not going to post here again.  I guess we are not that lucky.  Why are you involved in a pyramid scheme anyway?  You sound super successful on your own.  You've got your band, your acting career, a bunch of super rich friends, and some super bad dreads.  Do you really need to be running this scam?  And just like my old friend Gizmo (who is also a super successful ACN rep) you have turned this into a personal attack on me.  You don't want to throw in any racist comments?  I am kind of old.  I just turned 47 so you are kind of right about that.  I don't really creep on young girls because I own a software company that protects children from sexual predaotrs so that would kind of go against everything I have devoted my life to.  As for my sexual activity, which you are suddenly curious about, I get laid by my wife of 16 years on a pretty regular basis. Listen my friend, this site is devoted to warning people about the unethical business practices of the ACN reps.  Maybe not all of them operate in this fashion, but from what I've experienced about 99% of them do.  Are you the 1% exception?  I doubt it.  Are a couple people making money at ACN?  I'm sure they are.  Will 99% of people who sign up for ACN fail?  Yes they will.  That, my friend is not a good business model.  And it's 'they are' or 'they're' super sick, not 'there' super sick. Where the hell did you go to school?

Interesting…takes time and money to make money eh? I'm pretty sure the same could be said of starting up any business. Its not a pay $500 dollars and you'll be rich tomorrow business, they tell you it will require some of your time to “work at it to make money at it. correct me if iI'm wrong but you trade your time for money every day you go to work. And everyone has the so called sales abilty your talking about, its called word of mouth advertising “hey go check out this movie”, “go eat at this restaraunt”. Whats the difference in saying I might be able to save you some money on your hydro bill or your phone bill? The reason not many people make much money if any doing these types of businesses is because lazy people get in and hope for instant rewards which in turn affects the averages negatively, thusly resulting in  the “only 1 in 100 make any money at it” statement. And in regards to a pyramid what do you all think you work for if you don't own your own business? Uh the guy at the top makes all the money and I get screwed, sounds like any labourer working for a boss. Let me guess what about the $500 dollars you have to pay to join? right? Sorry but do they just hand out McDonalds for free these days? This company has lawyers, buildings, support staff that all has to be paid for, so to make an initial investment for that infrastructure to all be at your disposal its a substantilally small investment.

You dumb ass… I have energy customers in Ontario and a team of only 3 people. As far as scamming people? Please do your research, you make 10% of every bill you are able to acquire. I don't know where you learned what you call 'math'.. 200,000?? LEARN THE INFO FIRST THEN ARGUE.. So many of you out there reject this sort of marketing just because it's a 'pyramid', and that's fine but if you are going to argue get your facts straight. I have $4940 in contract sales, thus the 494/month. Hey do me a favor, can you post a link to the compensation plan? I want to see where you're getting your 'math' from. As far as ethics is concerned… I'm sorry I didn't know you attend ACN meetings to know that we are being coached to talk ethics. Again, none of your facts are straight but you shoot your mouth off thinking you know everything their is to know about ACN. Get your head out of your a**

I am a rep… please don't post BS like that. You lose credibility. Thanks.

BS of course meaning the ' I know NFL and NBA players.'

Your friend lost his house over $500? Where is this property? I want to buy a couple of $500 houses.

If you haven't figured it out already, I was being sarcastic. Even if you lose $500, that doesn't make you homeless. Say what you will, but you just lost credibility on that one post.

does** “Learn English dumb ass”

Sorry everyone. I didn't mean to get so worked up.
I just really like ACN and it has been working for me and my buds.
When someone says something negative about it i get irritated cause it does actually work.
If you just follow the system and keep at it, things will figure away out to unfold.
Anyway, my bad for saying those things to you truth speaker. Some people like ACN and some people don't. We can just agree to disagree I guess. 
peace out

sorry bro, didn't mean to get so worked up.

It's cool.  Everyone tends to over react if someone disagrees with something they are passionate about.

Back up a little Jay and read some of my previous posts. The idiot ex friend of mine was renting his house. I never said he owned his home.  His upline told him he would succeed at ACN if he just followed the system. So he did. He went to the conventions like they told him to. He bought expensive clothes like they told him to. He spoke to everyone who got within 10 feet of him about ACN like they told him to. He went to the weekly brain washing sessions like they told him to. He lied about ACN to get people to join like they told him to.  

He ruined his only means of support which was his carpet cleaning business. He did that by trying to sell ACN to his customers once he got in the door. ACN made him hate what he did for a living. I heard comments from him like “I'm nothing but a slave to these people. ”These people are getting rich off my hard work” etc. etc.

The idiot ex friend  spent a lot more than $499.00. They got him to sign up his girlfriend too. Everytime he went to one of the conventions it cost him around $1000.00 for gas, airplane tickets, rooms etc. etc. They tried giving away dinners at a local restaurant if you would listen to their presentation too.

He lost work because he thought going to the conventions was more important than his job. His girlfriend got tired of supporting him and left him. Then he got thrown out of where he lived because he could not pay the rent.

 The idiot was getting by before ACN came along and would have gotten ahead eventually.

Last I heard, He is still homeless. I have no sympathy for him.

That is very true. Again,i'm sorry. BTW, have you ever watched a movie called the secret?

Well said my friend.  ACN forces you to lie to your friends and family.  They want you to leverage your relationships with people you know and trust.  But the problem is after they realize you lied to them and scammed them out of their $499 they have no choice but to hate you for it.  After my friend lied to me and tricked me into going to what he called a 'private meeting' I felt completely violated and do not trust him to this day.  We still communicate but the trust is gone.  I probably would not lend him money or let him borrow my car which I would have gladly done prior to the series of lie filled phone calls he made to me pleading me to come to his house to meet this great person who is about to make millions on this new technology.  He went as far as saying things like, 'I really trust your judgement on things like this so I want you to meet this guy who is about to take over the world with some new technology and he wants me to get in on the ground floor with him.'  Really?  Take over the world with a measley $499 investment?  Even the suckers who bought into Bernie Madoff's ponzi scheme were not that stupid and some of them were dropping hundreds of thousands of dollars into it.  Like I said to my buddy Dreadboy, I'm sure there are people making money at ACN.  I truly believe that.  They are very small in numbers compared to the masses who have been recruited, but a couple people are making money.  But at what cost are you willing to pay?  I value my relationships with friends and family members.  What else do you really have in life?  I would never intentionally lie to anyone so I can put a small percentage of $499 in my own pocket.  Quit defending and perpetuating this scam.  Unless you are a money hungry crook without a soul this will ruin your life people.

No, are you in it?

Pyramid scheme- a failed business model where it is inevitable that the vast majority of people at the bottom are doomed to failure while the early comers at the top reap the profit from the desparate masses who have been promised unattainable lifestyles and riches.  Stupid Socialist Canuck.

Saving money through ACN is a myth. My ex friend could not show me a single bill that I could actually save money on. I did consider switching over one of my electric bills as a favor to him at the time. I told him I would if he would show me his electric bills from ACN so I could compare the charges.  He told me he would but never did. As hard as he tried to sign me up, I thought that was very suspicious. I even made a game of it. I would ask every time I saw him if he had his electric bills to show me. The excuses were hilarious.

You don't need ACN to save 50 dollars a month on your bills. Many times you can simply call your provider and ask. I did this about a year ago on my land line and fax. You have to shop around.

Another thing to consider is if you don't like ACN's services for any reason and want to switch back to your old company, they will most likely charge you a fee for that. And if you signed a two year contract, ACN will not let you out of it.     

So, Jay, being as you are into ethics, I have a few questions for you. You say make $494.00 every month. Shouldn't the amount change every month based on what your customers actually pay? And the percentage you get of what they pay would change also depending on how many qualified reps you have under you. So maybe the truth might be last month you got a check for $494.00. Next month, who knows?  (and maybe you owe TS an apology, I think he was assuming your percentage was half of 1% which is what the newbies start out as. ACN has changed their comp plan several times, it's a little confusing)   

So now you are successful at ACN, making a little under 6 grand a year. Congrats!! Now, next year, what are you going to tell the Canadian Revenue Agency? You do live in Canada, right?  Are you going to pay taxes on your “mailbox money”? Or are you going to suddenly remember your expenses?  Let's see, 499.00 start up fee, 4 conventions last year cost $1000.00 each to attend, $30.00 a month for the business package (360.00 for the year), $149.00 yearly membership fee, $10 dollars a week for the brain washing sessions ($520.00 for the year),  And let's not forget training materials, mileage on your car, your new suit, laptop, and expensive cell phone. Boy, those minutes can rack up, better write off part of your cell phone bill too. 

Canada requires MLM's to report the AVERAGE earnings of their reps. It's 8 dollars a month for ACN. Wow. That 8 dollars is before expenses. 

Jay, you would be better off working at McDonalds. At least you could get a free meal.

Thanks Truth Speaker.  It's creepy how these ACN clones recite these scripted speeches. The ex friend also told me “I really trust your judgement on things like this, so I want you to come see this new technology”. I couldn't attend his “meeting” because I was out of town that day. When I asked him the name of the company, he would not tell me at first. When I finally got him to tell me it was ACN, I googled it. I thought he would wise up and realize this was a scam after a while. He never did. I lost respect for him when he went after my elderly neighbor. Even after I chewed him out and threatened to call Senior Protective Services on him, he would still come around and try to sign me up. Told me stuff like “You're my best friend” “Can you just do me this favor?”  It was disgusting.

Thank you.  Your posts show the true side of this disgusting scam.  Unfortunately, I did not have the luxury of learning the name of the company before the big presentation.  My friend just continued to tell me it was going to be so earth shattering it had to be kept a secret.  I  insisted I learn more before the meeting so I could do some research so my friend set me up with a 3way call with himself and this douche John Melton.  This crook Melton just kept dodging my questions and finally said, 'It has to do with Voip technology'.  When I told him that is nothing new, since I use Gotomeeting on a daily basis, he said, 'Just show up and you will see why it is so important to be involved'.  After the meeting, which I walked out of 15 minutes into it, I did the same thing as you.  I googled ACN and found this site and several more so I called my friend and told him he was getting involved in a scam.  He was already so brainwashed he would not believe any of it was true.  He finally wised up about a week later after Melton gave him a bunch of shit on the phone for not getting any of his rich friends to sign up.  I know all the clones bash me and say I must have nothing better to do than post on here, but I was so pissed for being decieved by my long time friend that I feel compelled to post the truth about this bullshit company and the scam artists that are running around the country stealing people's hard earned money.  Unfortunately, when the economy is bad, people gravitate towards the perception of easy money and these ACN clones make it sound like you will be living a rock star lifestyle in a matter of months.  Oh, and it is funny as well as pathetic how scripted everything is.  My buddy used the, 'You're my best friend. Can you just do me this favor?' at least a half dozen times.  Keep posting my friend.  Someone has to warn unsuspecting people about this shit show.

No im not, it is just a very good movie. It's a documentary about the law of attraction. I think you might really like it. Its very inspirational and helped me with many aspects of my life. Its just a really dope movie!!! you should try and watch it.

I'll check it out.  You are all right Dreadboy, I feel bad we traded such harsh words.  No hard feelings, right?

I asked for a link to the compensation plan you understand so well… you did not provide one… Instead you just redirected the conversation to the meaning of two words from a dictionary. Where's your proof?

Yes last month I received a check for $494.00 I also said I have a full time job as well. As far as the meetings go, I haven't been to one of those '4 conventions' nor do they charge me to attend the weekly meetings. I know in some areas they do, but a couple they do. As far as the annual renewal fee goes I haven't been in it for a year yet. Also… new suit, laptop and an expensive cell phone?? I already had a suit.. before ACN what's wrong with that one? As far as a laptop is concerned, again i already have one.
As far as the CRA is concerned, Of course i will pay taxes on my 'mailbox money' HOWEVER, I do fall in another tax bracket. Of course I will write it off as business expenses, every business owner does that. Those regulations are laid out by the government, not using them would be stupidity.
And hey you know what, Show me you have a million in your bank account and I will listen to you.

I'm sure your none of billionaire friends made their money selling this crap. Them plunking down $500 is just a game. I'm sorry to say you will NEVER be even a MILLIONAIRE working the ACN plan. I think it's great that you are young and trying something to supplement your music career, but this isn't gonna do it for you. In the end, if you're happy with this, then good luck!

That first sentence should read “I'm sure none of your billionaire…”

My friend came over the other day and told me he had an amazing “business opportunity” I might be interested in. 5 minutes into him blabbering about it I said it sounded like a pyramid scheme. He quickly said it was not, and it was a legitimate business. I allowed him to continue for another 30 minutes until I told him I wasn't interested, but was happy to see him so excited about it. He then kept hammering on about it for an hour until the point I wanted to snap but didn't because he's a friend.

If it looks, quacks, swims, flies and walks like a duck, it's is probably a fucking duck.

Thanks for this website. And to all you ACN'ers not happy about my point of view about to correct my grammar, it wont change the fact everyone knows ACN is a shitty business model.

BTW, 9 to 5 jobs are awesome. You don't have to piss off family and friends.

I really don't feel you have a balanced view of what you are talking  about .When we blame others for our lack of success in the world we call that a projection.If one person can be successful in any field then it is only logical if you reproduce what they have done you will be successful .
It's not rocket science , the only way you fail in this world is by giving up on your self.
Cheers.

umm, you need to further your education and use spell check, you wanker

just shut it retard, read all of your comments and you need an ass whooping. spoiled little bitch. get a life plz

How can he have gone from scammed to scammer if he is making money idiot that just proves it isn't a scam. use you brain and stop Hating

Let me guess, you are an ACN rep right?  Stupid douche.  You, ACN, Donald Trump, John Melton can all kiss my ass and I doubt all of you together could not give me an 'ass whooping' you stupid hillbilly.  Get off the internet and get back to scamming your friends out of their money.

I attended the ACN meeting this morning and was eager to hear about this “great oppurtunity”… I am only looking for valid feedback please don't waste my time, I am asking for your opinion and will take it with a grain of salt. When someone becomes rich (The USA comes to mind *American Dream Bullshit* - that's another story) isn't the money always coming out of someone elses pocket? I do not understand why I must pay 500$ in advance to WORK for this company. An interesting poll was taken (see above the comments) 67% of people earned 0-50$… How hard did you work, how many people did you try to contact about this “oppurtunity”, is this your field, is it just pure ignorance of what ACN has accomplished? On the other hand 33% of people either made their money back or more if my chances were 1/3 to get “rich” i would take the risk.(I am not on either side of the fence I'm trying to decide what I should do with this oppurtunity)

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Absolutely, but when your job is screwing people. It makes people like myself, and many others angry and annoyed. ACN is a middle man trying to persuade people to sign off their utilities to them, a middle man can never offer a better price then the original company.

So, money is made from that $500 signup fee from the new ACN representatives… it's very sad people fall for this.

Use your brain idiot.  Who cares if he is making money.  I'm sure there are a few people actually make money with ACN.  A very few. The problem is they are making it in an unethical manner.  And don't come on here crying about saving people money on their bills because we all know that is a scripted pack of lies.  ACN is all about recruiting, lying, and deceiving people.  They promise untold riches by following some bullshit system.  And that system is telling that same pack of lies to everyone you know so you can dig your hand in their pocket for another $499 and then have them tell the same pack of lies to everyone they know.  That is called a pyramid scheme dummy.  I have a system for you.  Go to school, get a job, get some experience in your field, become good at what you do, start your own business, hire some young people to work for you and nurture them and allow them to follow the same system you followed. That's how society should work.  Give young people the same opportunity someone gave you a long time ago and allow them the opportunity to succeed.  Kind of like the family business model that gets passed down from generation to generation.  Don't throw phoney presentations in your shitty apartment with that stupid Donald Trump video where everyone is smiling and waving from the golf course or from the deck of their boat saying 'Thank you ACN'.  They are paid actors on rented boats asshole.  And that stupid ass video phone that they claim everyone will have sometime in the future.  Really?  A video phone.  I personally don't see one of those in my future.  Bullshit.  If the video phone is the future whey did Microsoft just buy Skype for 8 billion dollars? ACN promises people a lifestyle they will never achieve.  That is a fact and you are stupid.  Now that I got that out of my system I can take your advice and stop hating.  Did your upline teach you that phrase or did you read it on a t-shirt?

Thank you Truthspeaker!  I love reading your posts!  I also was “tricked and manipulated” into going to a presentation.  It was done after I refused to go 4 or 5 times because I was tricked into going to one 7 years ago and knew it was all bullshit.  (At least I drank all her beer!)  Despite the fact that my 2 best friends assured me that it had “changed” I still wasn't even slightly interested.  So, finally, one of these best friends of mine called me and talked me into going to a presentation at a local hotel because my other best friend was the one speaking.  He called it “a favor”.  It would  boost his confidence level if his 2 best friends were sitting in the back row!  So when I showed up, I went to the “conference room” where this big presentation was going to be and guess what, THERE WAS NO ONE THERE!  As a matter of fact, there were no conference rooms even rented for this shit show.  I was on my way out of the lobby when I looked over and they were both sitting there!  My 2 best friends tricked me into showing up and hammered on me by myself!!!  In the lobby!!! It was one of the worst experiences of my whole life and gave me a migraine headache.  They strategically had one of their upline come in at the end and hammer on me as well.  I wanted to start throwing punches…  It really pissed me off.  The deception and lies they tell know no bounds, as well as the human evil that lives in them.  These ACN clones are programed and brainwashed to actually think that they are doing nothing wrong.  And whats worse, they wont admit it or apologize when they offend someone!  When I told my friend that I had a migraine, he clapped me on the back and said “So did I at my first presentation!”  He is very lucky I didn't put my fist through his skull right then and there.  Needless to say, I am nor will ever be friends with one of these 2 people.  The other one and I have an understanding at this point and he walks on egg shells  when he is around me even though we are still friends.  So the proof is in the pudding all you ACN clones, you have a 50/50 chance of completely losing friends and family members every time you lie and deceive them.  Even if they sign up you will eventually lose their respect because they will lose their $500 and possibly the respect of the people they are responsible for signing up!  And so on and so forth…

Truthspeaker,  please keep posting!  I think it is worth it if we can help people avoid this shit!  I hope someone buys you a beer brother!  Cheers to you!

Keep posting my friend!  And please read my new post I wrote on 6/4/11.

Haha!!!  Nice post Truthspeaker!

Hey GiveMeABreak you need to go away from this site.  I would just love to meet up with you in real life and ram my fist through your skull.  This site is here to warn people of being scammed and posting peoples names on here is perfectly legal and legit.  I actually hope bad things happen to the idiots who are perpetrating this scam.  For you to come on here with this post is just plain ignorance.

Awesome post.  Frankly, I think Donald Trump and all the other whores at the top of this pyramid scheme should be taken to the town square and guillotined.  How many countless poor people have lost their money to this scam?  As well as friends and family?  It is a damn shame to think that their are laws to protect crooks like these from people like me.  This is actually called “Theft by Deception”, which is a felony in my state.  One thing that is interesting, ACN pays a lot of lawyers to defend them (like the state of Montana) and also to take down certain websites that proves this is a scam.  They have found the “loopholes” to make this scam legal so they can keep sucking people dry.

Excellent post.  I agree that when people lie and deceive you, you really have no choice but to hate them for it.

tom mack.  quit with the “Christian” bullshit.  Of course most of your upline have “strong christian values”.  That is the reason that Christians are sucked into this shit more than anyone else is because if it wasn't for real then other Christians wouldn't have anything to do with it right?  Bullshit.  Leave religion out of this, and quit perpetrating this scam loser.

Hahahahahah!!!!   Nice post!

Guest57 are you on ecstasy or antidepressants?  I think you probably are and a trained/brainwashed ACN clone.  Get a life and try as hard as you can to come to reality.

Great post Brotherofdeath!!!  Thanks for the compliment.  I will keep posting on here as long as takes to expose this bullshit and I hope you do to.  ACN should be listed in the Webster's dictionary.  The definition should read;  A company that does not really sell anything except lies and deceit.  A company that focuses purely on recruiting and will promise or say anything to sign up any unqualified salesperson that has $499.  A company that hides behind the clever facade of some outdated technology that dummies all across America believe will be the next big revolution in the world of technology.  A compay that promotes and promises a lifestyle that 99% of their reps will never ever achieve.  Wow!!! I could probably do this all day.  I read an older post on here the other day that had some very valid points and I would like to convey what was said.  What legitimate sales organization throws out a massive drift net into a sea of unqualified sales people with hopes that 1% of them will succeed?  That fact alone proves that ACN is nothing more than a pyramid scheme.  When I sign up a reseller or an independent sales rep I pray every night that they succeed.  Because when they succeed my company succeeds.  My company does not charge fees to attend motivational seminars.  Oh wait, my company does not have motivational seminars.  That's another aspect of the ACN scam.  My company does not charge reps for brochures because every time a reop walks into a school and hands someone one of our brochures it increases our brand awareness.  My company nurtures and assists our reps on a daily basis with leads and tools to help them make a sale.  We never charge them for any of this because every time they close a deal they make money, we make money, and they are motivated by their own success to get up the next morning and go make another sale.  I would be humiliated to sit in some lobby in some shitty hotel collecting $10 a rep to sit through some rah rah session where one douchbag after another got up and bragged about how much money they were making with no mention of any actual sales advice or training.  Well my friend your post just shows the desparation and the audacity of the typical ACN sales rep.  Well said!!!!  And as I like to conclude many of my posts, F you John Melton you stupid miniature douche.  Oops!!!  I meant to say huge douche.  That was supposed to be a joke about your height.  You are really short.

Thats hilarious!  I love the Webster's dictionary definitions!  I have started to forward these posts to all my contacts.  I feel strongly that it is necessary to warn people of this scam.  As far as scams go, you have to admit that this takes the cake.  The general population of the U.S. operates on a 5th to 8th grade level.  Interesting how ACN spends millions of dollars on phycology for 2 reasons; first so they can suck your 500 dollars out of you, and second to brainwash/train their clones to keep doing it even though they know deep down inside that it is immoral.  That part to me is the worst, they are trained to have “larceny” in their hearts.  I honestly don't know how they can look in the mirror in the morning!  $500 is not a fortune, but to most hard working people it can be up to 2 weeks wages!  I mean, come on guys, THEY WANT YOUR BLOOD!!!  I have read maybe 30 or 40 posts here and what no one has said so far is once these clones recruit and build their pyramid, how do they maintain it?  The $500 sign up fee is only good for a year.  After that, it costs $150 per year (not to mention $30 per month for web site, Saturday brainwash sessions which are $10 and whatever conventions these clones go to).  So after a year, when these poor, hard working people and single moms decide to drop out because they have been scammed the pyramid just falls apart.  ACN wants to insert a damn needle right into your jugular vein and suck the blood right out of you.  I have said this before, I think the people at the top of this scam should be taken out to the town square and guillotined.

Some good points my friend!  I wish I had answers to some of those questions because I just don't understand how people have the balls to go through with this when they have been coached to lie and deceive their friends.  The moment I walked into the presentation I got suckered into I knew what was going on and my friend could not even look me in the eyes because he knew he tricked me into being there.  There is another girl in our area who knows, and has admitted to friends, that what she is doing is wrong yet she is still having presentations, plans on going to the big national convention filled with a bunch of self-serving assholes, and still keeps bugging friends who have already told her no several times so I don't get it either.  I can't even imagine what her upline is saying to her to keep her going.  That crook John Melton is her upline.  Maybe he can tell us.  That's right Melton.  The reason I mention your name here on a regular basis is to increase the Google ranking of John Melton on this site.  And I know your stupid arrogant ass Googles your own name on a regular basis because that is the kind of loser you are.  And I also want to expose the fraud that you truly are.  Good luck spending the rest of your desparate life throwing fake parties at peoples shitty apartments and sitting in musty hotel lobbys collecting $10 a sucker.  You are nothing more than a carnival sideshow with a nice suit and a leased Bentley you phoney.  F you.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!  Ahhhhh that John Melton shit is funny!  He sure sounds like a real loser.  He also sounds much like the guy that tried to recruit and manipulate me.  This guy is the biggest pompous asshole I have ever met in my life.  He thinks his shit doesn't stink, he loves the smell of his own farts!  It even goes to show you the level of brainwashing these clones get from ACN.  Its amazing to think these stupid fucks would rather rip people off than go and get a real job and career.  Honestly, I think they are lazy!  Why else would they do it?  To them lying and deceiving people is what they do for work!  I have something I would like to say to all you ACN clones out there.  Their is no “residual income” that will sustain you in this business.  It is a myth pure and simple!  Matter of fact, their is no shortcut in real life like ACN  that will ever work…period!  The bottom line is that once the recruiting stops, the residual stops.  If you found buried treasure or maybe won the lottery that would be the only real shortcut to get you ACN clones that private plane, Lamborghini, yacht and $5000 a night hookers that you all so desperately want!  Until then give it up and quit running this scam!

(Truthspeaker)  is a person never lost a job ….and share  here his name or last name noting else  to do and write a garbage  …it is a serious  business  and so many thinks are not correct..

WTF???  What country are you from?  At least I'm hoping English is not your primary language because I have no clue what the hell you just said.  What does losing a job have to do with anything?  And why would I post my name on here?  I don't see any of the ACN clones posting their names.  All they do is come on here and spew some multi-level marketing rhetoric just like they have been coached to do.  What does 'so many thinks are not correct' mean?  Oh, you must be from Italy because 'I write a the garbage'.  That kind of sounds Italian doesn't it? And by the way I have plenty to do, I just enjoy making fun of dummies like you.  I also enjoy warning innocent people about the scam you are perpetrating.  …it is a serious business.  Yeah right.  So is the mob, but it's illegal as well.  You surely know about that mob.  It originated in Italy.  And I'm not making fun of Italians, I think Snooky and the Situation are real cool.  That's an American pop culture reference in case you didn't get it.

Nice!!!  Good point.  They are a bunch of lazy assholes.  Who else would plot and scheme a way to steal $499 without ever having to punch a clock or report to an office.  And that is exactly what they preach to the clones.  Why waste your time working for a 9 to 5 paycheck when you can wake up at whatever time you want.  And why do you want to spend the rest of your life making your boss rich?  What???  That is such B-S because that is exactly what ACN is about.  Making the guy above you money.  And he's making the guy above him money,   What a crock of shit.  Do you notice that when one of the new clones comes on here and defends the scam that they eventually just disappear?  Why do you think that is?  I believe it is because they eventually realize they have been scammed and are to ashamed to admit they are wrong.  Come on clones.  Defend yourselves.

Indeed, my friend!  The undebatable truth is, as I stated in my last post, once the recruiting stops, the residual stops.  Their are only so many people that an ACN clone can talk to and try to deceive.  So what happens when they have talked to literally everyone they know?  The tits gone dry clones!  What are you going to do now?  Truthspeaker, you have it correct.  Once these clones run out of suckers, they fizzle out and are to ashamed to admit they have been scammed and that they tried to scam other people.  This shit is running rampant in the city I live in and about half of my friends have been “compromised”!  I can promise that not ONE of these clones that I know will ever admit they were wrong.  They all have to much false pride and no honesty or humility at all.

Your post is a good read, the interesting part are the comments posted afterwards..I am not an ACN rep, but I have been looking at different MLM businesses. The first thing I wonder is why you HATE ACN, and why everyone who signs up for this company is a moron? 
I mean, you make some very valid points that make this opportunity look like a scam.. But at the same time, reading through the article I find myself saying “well, duh..” You've made a ton of points about ACN that shows why its bad, why it sucks, why it doesn't work, But those exact points can be looked at for any opportunity, MLM, Owning a business, starting at the bottom of a firm hoping to make it up the corporate latter. 

You mention a lot about the ACN clones that go on and on about the millions they make, and how easy it is. When it comes to points like this I think rather than shaking your head, crossing your arms and putting your nose up..you should think to yourself, “is this possible? Can you actually make a decent amount of money in this business, and the way they teach you how to do it, is it possible, doing it that way?” Because if you attended a meeting, heard this and laughed than you're as dumb as the person claiming the earnings.. But if you look at the comp plan and answer the questions for yourself..its a little different, 

From my knowledge of Network Marketing.. Duplication is the key, If you are slim ball ACN clone that just wants to make millions and leave your team wishing they hadn't paid the $500.. Is it at all possible that you will ever be in a position to make millions if you haven't taught your downline how to do the same through duplication. I suppose if you teach all of your new reps to be slim balls, and if everyone pays 500, just to make the bonuses, I agree here we are in a pyramid thats about to crash.. But then you have no residual, and you only have money while people are signing up, now a lot of people say you cant ever stop signing up reps, but if you did, and maintained the services within your organization.. is it possible to develop a legitement business? 

Now, I realise not everyone is going to duplicate exactly, but that goes without saying.. As you said the services that ACN offers are good, (besides the video phone).. and when it comes down to it, all they are doing is reselling services of major companies throughout the country. so lets say you follow the model, refer 40 services.. and are able to duplicate what you have done successfully to a total of 200 people (throughout your entire organization)… and were earning a decent residual off your team of 200 would this still be a bad thing? Now I realise the main argument here is that the people who are at the bottom of your organization are going to lose if they cant build the same organization…  But another question I think needs to be addressed is that If you build a team of 200 (and I know a real lasting wealth would need to be more but for example, we'll use 200) and earn a decent residual, is it fair that you can offer this opportunity to someone else by saying “This is what i did, this is how you do it, IF you can do it, this will be the result”…

 If many people were handed a brand new Quizno's franchise and the person who gave it to them said, now you won't make any money for the first 5 years, you may even have to put some money into it to keep it a float, but if you follow our system you will get there, Do you think a lot of people will be able to last the first 5 years.. ? of any business, because any business that has generally high start up costs doesn't see any profits for quite some time.. 

Now i realise i rambled on a bit there, but the main question is.. If the system does work, and you teach the system and follow the biggest rule of network marketing… duplication, could it work? 
Are you in favor of Network Marketing businesses? Or do you hate the entire industry? I like the model these businesses follow and feel if they were run correctly, could actually work.. I mean even the “so called millionaires” you refered to that are paid to switch companies.. are they paid because they are successful in other MLM companies.. do you think their success shows in the new companies as well? or is it all fake? 

Great article, look forward to reading your response. 

With names like “Brother of Death” and “Truth Speaker” It is easy to tell you are young people that have yet to accomplish much in life.  No business owner ship.  You have not groomed a start up company into greatness.  You don't own your home.  You aren't parents.  Yet here is your painfully uneducated posting on a blog that in between the lines, is clearly pushing paid advertising to further it's own financial agenda.  How?  by attacking a network marketing company as being responsible or liable for typical human behavior.  There is a reason why so few people ever get out of their socioeconomic comfort zone. It has nothing to do with $500.00 or Rah Rah meetings It has to do with staying focused on a goal and fighting your way out of the box. It can be done and Network Marketing is a way many have done it.  Period.   ACN is in its 19th yr as a Billion dollar business model that is not only now operating in and therefor approved by 23 governments,  It is a business model that has been around for years, a business model that allows a person who knows how to roll up their sleeves, stay focused and go to work inside a “franchise system”  to create a residual income.  In this case, through customer acquisition – that can also include bonuses along the way if you choose to build a team. If you were versed in cost analysis, guys, you would understand a company that has a $500.00 fee to buy into a franchise system is not making money off of a bunch of $500.00 donations.  They make money from the few who can keep the focus, make the shift in THEIR way of operating and doing business and building a massive marketing force that signs up customers on the proprietary services as well as the percentage they make from the business relationships of their top tier service providers.  This is business guys.  Big business. Business people understand this.  In this blog, you reveal emotion in your accounts.   Be careful not to whine.  That will be time wasted when you look back on your life.
Guys,  go out and find something you are really passionate about,  and make something amazing happen for yourselves.  The people creating blogs like this to sell advertising so they can make money from home too…. those folks are like those little fishes that suckle off the muck on the belly of the really big fishes that are out there making it happen in the ocean of life. We all have a place.

Ok Mama whatever you are, I own my own company, I own a house, I'm 47 years old, I chose not to have kids because of my career, I drive a German sports car, I have a beach house, and you are saying I obviously have not accomplished anything in my life and your are calling my posts painfully uneducated? You are the one who used the phrase 'out of the box'.  Do you really think people are still using that phrase? Roll up your sleeves.  Stay focused. Create residual income through customer aquistion.  Make the SHIFT in the way you operate.  Give me a break.  That all sounds very impressive to probably 90% of the people that read your post, but in reality this is more scripted B-S you have learned from your upline.  Hide the true facts and impress your prospects with a bunch of intelligent sounding bullshit is what I say. As for this site making money on advertising.  Who cares?  That's what bloggers do.  That idiot Perez Hilton has made millions blogging about celebrities.  Did he trick anyone out of $499 in the process?  I doubt it.  Don't come on here making accusations about what I have accomplished in my life.  Like I have said before, I sleep real well at night knowing that every day I will run a legitimate business that has an intrinsic value to society.  We protect children from sex offenders by the way.  I know that my reps and resellers across the country will never have to pay me a fee to continue to sell our product.  In fact we send them checks on a regular basis for commission on the annual support contracts our customers pay us.  Multi-level marketing is a scam, making residual income with ACN is a myth, and don't try to subliminally belittle me with your stupid fish analogy.  I doubt you are a real big fish in anyone's pond.  Are you John Melton's wife by the way?  And did that little weasel put you up to this? I can't wait to read Brotherofdeath's reply to this post.  He is way more angry than me.  Truh Speaker out.  That's anohter pop culture reference in case you are wondering.

lol… if you follow the system you are provided with, You will earn your $499 + back in the first week.. this is a joke statement, a “real” business? so you have overhead, employees, inventory.. cudos to you.. although these things are not needed to operate a “real” business.

Great article! My friend got suckered into this scam and he is paying the price for it…. Literally.  When he got on board that's when all the powerpoint presentations and BS sale pitches came out. He would constantly beg my friends, brothers, and I to join as a favor (seems like ACN teaches them to “ask for favors”). It got to the point where we couldn't hang out with him anymore for the fear of being bored to death by his highly questionable presentations.  Now he is looking for a job with more stable pay because ACN “is a little slow right now”. ACN preys on people like my friend who are hard working and have big dreams.  I recommend that people watch Penn & Teller's Bullshit episode “Easy Money” (youtube it). It is about BS companies like ACN.

Interesting post. I would like to say, as a successful representative in ACN, its like any other business. The more effort you put into the better your results. The people who fail in the business are the people who are not willing to put forth the effort (they want a get rich quick program, which ACN is NOT a get rich quick program). I have been in the business for 3 years now and am bringing in roughly 700 – 900 a week. Not bad money and is actually quite fun sense all you do is talk to people. Its not for everyone, but for those who enjoy working with others and not having to be stuck to a desk, its a great alternative. A quick comment on the start up fees. They don't go for the bonuses, the start up fees go to the call centers and “back end” offices (24/7 customer & rep support, designing all of our training, flyers, spreadsheets, online tracking systems for reps, online account management for customers etc..). It all goes to pay for the back end of the independent representatives business and support so that all we have to do in the business is get customers and representatives. 

Great article! My friend got suckered into this scam and he is paying the price for it…. Literally.  When he got on board that's when all the powerpoint presentations and BS sales pitches came out. He would constantly beg my friends, brothers, and I to join as a favor (seems like ACN teaches them to “ask for favors”). It got to the point where we couldn't hang out with him anymore for the fear of being bored to death by his highly questionable presentations.  Now he is looking for a job with more stable pay because ACN “is a little slow right now”.

If you are not receiving bonuses from the recruiting fees why does your weekly income vary so drastically???  If you have a set number or customers how can it possibly change up to $200 a week?  And you concluded your post with 'all we have to do in the business is get customers and representatives'.  Are you sure you are telling us the truth?  I like the fact that you stated it's not a get rich quick business, but I don't believe that ACN doesn't commission anyone on recruiting new reps.  Until I hear a really good explanation I'm crying B-S.  Please come and prove me wrong.  Oh, and it's 'since' not 'sense'.

I spent 2 years of my life working HARD to get ACN to generate income. I talked to and presented the ACN to everyone i know + even people I didn't know. My friend and I worked together, had weekly meetings, went abroad to big ACN events, spent a lot of time, effort and money to make it work. But still: we never made a dime! In the end we realized that what we were doing didn't lead to anything and we decided to stop. There IS no easy money! I've learned my lesson and I am never gonna do this again, no matter how convincing the presetation of the idea is.

I did not say we
didn't get commission for recruiting reps. We do. What I said is we do not get
any part of the upfront cost ($500.00). To get commission on recruits, you have
to get them qualified (meaning get them to 5 customer points which would include
them getting a video phone, switching to direct or dish, and getting their
business assistant. they can do any services they want but these are the
quickest ways SINCE most people pay for TV and phone anyway). Then we have to
help them get their first two business partners which give them a check of 300
dollars for getting qualified and finding two business partners in their first
30 days. THEN we get commission on that rep. That is the incentive to keep
working with your reps because if they are not getting a check, then neither
are you. You can sign up 100 people a month and not get a single penny. The
company makes it that way so you have incentive to work with your downline, but
also make it as easy as possible for your finances to grow faster. Its copy and
duplicate. If I signed up 100 people and didn’t do anything else with them,
they will do the same thing and no one would get paid. But if I taught those
100 people the steps I mentioned above right as they sign up, they are more
likely to do the same thing and receive compensation. It is possible for your reps to pass you up financially if they are working harder so the person at the
top is not always getting the biggest payout. It is a lot of work, and like I
said it is NOT for everyone. You really do have to be a people person and enjoy
working with a variety of different people at that. I can understand how people
can get discouraged and come to think this was a scam because I started to
think that too until my checks starting coming. When you really think about it,
what business isn't pyramid structured? Look at real estate business, car lots,
even grocery stores. In corporate America everyone starts off at the bottom and
works their way up to different positions and higher pay grades. Only
difference is in corporate America there is no way in hell you can make a
higher paycheck over those in higher positions in the company. In ACN, you can. Not
to mention the freedom of not having to be told when to wake up, when to have a
break etc… As far as the “favor”, Im not sure if thats something someone came up with on another team or what but I have never asked any of my reps for a favor. I have only asked family members who were paying for tv, phone, internet, and cell phones anyway to do me a favor and upgrade their services through me once their contracts expire.

haha, i can just imagine the acn founders sitting around deciding how the sign-up commission model would work as they planned out acn..

Founder 1: “lets just do what the other guys do and pay them cash for every rep they sign up, new reps pay $500, we can afford to give $300 of that strait to the guy who signed them up”

Founder 2: “no.. that's too easy, and not profitable enough for us, plus people will say it looks too much like a scam. I say let's only pay out the referral bonus if the new rep get's a bunch of services. Most of them won't do it, so we can keep more of the $500, but the best part is, even though we are actually paying the reps less with this new scheme, they're so dumb that I bet we can convince them it's for there own good! We'll tell them it will be better to hold their bonuses until they help the new rep because it 'encourages comradeship and help amongst reps'

Founder 3: “hahaha i love it! we abandon the usual mlm model of paying the rep his bonus the minute he signs up a new rep, and we just get to hold onto the cash until (if ever haha..) the new rep gets … let's say 5 points??”

Founder 1: “no way.. our reps are smarter than that – they'll see right through our little trick of keeping the signup bonuses for ourselves. no one is going to believe that bs about us encouraging help between reps..”

Founder 2: “trust me, i saw how this went in my last mlm. when the whole signup bonus goes straight to the referring rep, the new reps get pissed.. they complain that all their entry fee's are going to nothing – and worse yet.. outsiders call it a scam because it looks like the new rep is getting no value for their money”

Founder 3: “he's right.. people always call scam on that move.. i really think we can tell the reps we need to hold their bonuses until they help their new rep get 5 points, they will be dumb enough to go for it. can't you just picture the rah rah meetings now?? “…And just so we're clear boys and girls, none of your signup money is going to pay the rep who signed you up! it all goes to helping start your own little business! isn't that wonderful??…”

Founder 1: “ok fine… even if we do piss off veteran reps with this move, at least it will become easier for them to con more new reps into the business using that 'no signup money goes to your referrer' bs.. and as we all know, only 5% of them are going to get 5 pts anyway haha, we'll keep 95% of those signup fees and never even have to pay them out to our reps! I'm sold”

Read your own post buddy.  You stated, 'A quick comment on the start up fees. They don't go for the bonuses, the start up fees go to the call centers and “back end” offices (24/7 customer & rep support, designing all of our training, flyers, spreadsheets, online tracking systems for reps, online account management for customers etc..). It all goes to pay for the back end of the independent representatives business and support'.  Again, that all sounds very impressive to anyone reading your B-S but it's more scripted ACN lies.

Read your own post buddy.  You stated, 'A quick comment on the start up fees. They don't go for the bonuses, the start up fees go to the call centers and “back end” offices (24/7 customer & rep support, designing all of our training, flyers, spreadsheets, online tracking systems for reps, online account management for customers etc..). It all goes to pay for the back end of the independent representatives business and support'.  Again, that all sounds very impressive to anyone reading your B-S but it's more scripted ACN lies.

My new favorite post.  ACN reps are a perfect example of the dumming down of the American population.  Why is our government cutting education budgets when we have morons like this claiming that ACN is the greatest thing that has ever happened to them.  I would hate to see the shitty stuff that has happened in their lives if ACN is the best thing.  How can you idiots defend this scam while ACN is just blatantly ripping people off day after day?  Fucking idiots.

I will ask you to do the same
thing. Read my initial post. In your first response you claimed the startup
fee's go towards the bonuses, that you didn't believe we do not get bonuses for
recruiting reps, and to prove you wrong. So in an effort to educate you on
where the money goes, agree that we DO get bonuses on recruits and how the
bonuses are accrued I responded a second time. You just answered your own
question with your copy and paste post because the startup fees go towards
everything you just copied.. NOT the bonuses. If the money went towards the
bonuses there would be a lot more successful people in ACN, and I myself would
have had a lot more money than I received. All of this does not change the fact I am making money. I
simply posted a comment because in your article you say yourself that you are
speculating that the startup fee's go towards the bonuses (which means it’s not
a fact and that your guessing). I gave you your answer. Its in your copy and paste post above. Why should
there be a startup fee? Let me ask you this. Was it free to start up your other
business? Or were there some costs that you had to put out to get it going? How
is ACN any different than McDonalds franchise or an independent company being
an authorized dealer of a cellphone or satellite TV provider like US Cellular,
Sprint, Radio Shack..? All of these can be bought as a franchise and sell
products as an authorized dealer. All of which has enormous startup cost. So what if they ask you to talk to your family and friends, its services they are paying anyway. The people who scare their friends and family away are obviously pushing it on them which is not what is practiced in ACN. Again, I can understand how people can think this as a scam because of how
other home business were structured in the past. If you ask any business owner
or franchise owner they all paid a pretty penny to get their business going.
And 500 bucks is not that much money to have the rights to sell a wide
portfolio of products. My son's xbox and playstation where both 600 when they first came out. I think a big part of people’s failures to this company
is mindset as well. Not everyone has a business mindset but everyone does have
a money mindset. I run 3 successful businesses, ACN being one of them (which was also the cheapest of the three to get started). I have been running my businesses sense I was 21 years old. It’s obvious that people who fail at ACN will think
it’s a scam because they are the one's who think they will all of a sudden get rich. Yes, if you stop recruiting and getting customers your money will start to slow down as well. Just like if McDonalds stops selling hamburgers they will obviously loose money.. My own grandfather (who was not introduced by me) gave up on the
company because he wasn’t seeing the results he wanted. A year down the road he
did wish he would have kept up with it because he sees my checks and that makes
it real to him. ACN is kind of like religion.. Some people have to see to
believe, while others just believe.. I’m not religious but that’s the best way
I can describe it.

The Rep Part is a scam but the idea of a video Phone is Cool

Right now all I can tell you about ACN is the last time I saw my friend who signed me up was several months ago in the checkout line of Safeway in Monterey Ca and I told him to call me and I haven't heard back from him since. I hope he doesn't let the ACN stand in between our friendship. I purchased two video phones from him and signed up as a rep. I have never been much of a sales men but how many of us have joined these kinds of business to support our family or friends. So I was being charged for phone service that I never used and worst than that I am also being charged three-hundred and sixty seven dollars for a early termination fee. I called ACN and tried to have that fee waived no such luck. So its on my credit helping to lower a bad an already bad score after losing two houses via the housing crisis and a voluntary re-possession of my gas guzzling Nissan Armada that was costing me eight hundred dollars a month that Nissan refused to take back after I got let go from my teaching position due to state budget cuts. ACN has been bad news for me, I was doing just fine until I joined them. Oh well I guess all that is left is for me now is to sell my two brand new video, never opened video phones on e-bay. Look out people I'm spreading the news. Tony C. Chester 
[email protected]. Good job on the article.

If you're paying the start-up fees for your downline (newsflash: no one believes that for an instant), then you're the biggest sucker of them all.  It's mathematically impossible to make money by doing that.

Reading through these comments is just depressing.  They certainly don't instill much confidence in the future of humanity.

A lot of good and insightful comments here.  Even more idiotic ones. 

I have a friend who just got in to ACN.  The minute she told me the name, I told her to run.  Unfortunately she's already paid her initiation fee and is drinking the kool-aid.  She told me her definition of “failure” is caving in to people's opinions and being afraid of the “what if's.”  Alternatively, “you're only a failure if you quit.”  I presume these are lines she picked up at her first rally.  How convenient that these definitions of “failure” just so happen to directly benefit her upline.  I wish I could redefine common words for my own personal benefit.

I attended an ACN pep rally years ago.  Having been suckered into an MLM in the past, and seeing family members get burned through several over the years, I was on alert for red flags, such as briefly glossing over the product/service offered and focusing on the lavish lifestyle I'll be living as an ACN rep.  I wasn't impressed by the pompous asses who got up on stage and talked about the fancy cars they were driving.  I'll just repeat what has already been said several times on this page: huge red flag for any MLM or business venture that takes the focus off the product and on the supposed lifestyle involvement will bring.

Instead of boring you all with all the philosophical reasons I find MLM's to be reprehensible, I'll try to keep it brief (I'm a lawyer so no promises there). 

First can we please put to rest the tired old analogy of the “pyramid” structure of traditional organizations with the “pyramid” structure of an MLM?  Apples and oranges, folks.  In a traditional organization, your boss/supervisor typically doesn't make a commission when you enter the organization.  Also, his/her compensation isn't directly dependent on your performance.  When you get hired, you also are not required to pay anything out-of-pocket.  Finally, while it is true that high-level executives make many times the amount that entry-level workers earn, this disparity is not nearly as that of ACN.  Take the Montana stats, for example.  300 participants paid $239,000 to ACN.  ACN paid a TOTAL of $896 to those participants (note, that is total, not each).  After minimal overhead, that's over $200,000 of profit, and the higher-ups are rolling in it.  And if Canadian ACN reps are making an average of $8/year, then a high-level ACN member or executive making a modest $100,000/yr (extremely conservative estimate) is making 12,500 times the amount of the grunts.  In comparison, American CEOs make 263 times the salary of the average worker.  Even that is disgusting.

Also, let's drop the argument that becoming an ACN rep is like starting your own business.  Again, apples and oranges.  The best comparison is that of an independent sales rep.  As an independent sales rep, you make your own hours, have no base salary, and make money purely on commissions.  The products and services you sell are already in place, and the company might provide you a little bit of structure, training, and direction.  This is exactly what ACN does, except they charge you $500 right off the bat just for the opportunity to sell their products and make them money.  No one in their right mind would ever take an independent sales gig that required you to pay $500 up front.  Especially when you start off with a measly 2% commission rate on such small-ticket items/services.  Oh, and the “training” ACN provides?  It's not about selling the product/services, it's about selling the recruitment; selling the “dream.”

That leads me to my next point.  And this is the stark reality staring everyone in the face, but which few people seem to recognize.  The mere fact that ACN pushes so much for recruitment is the single greatest sign of its illegitimacy.  A company that truly believed in the value of its products or services wouldn't need to recruit unlimited amounts of sales people.  Rather (as has been pointed out in these comments), they would simply hire qualified sales people, assign them geographical regions, and set them loose.  Because ACN doesn't do this, it just goes to show that the product they are REALLY selling is recruitment itself.  The resale of telecommunication packages is merely a thin veneer of legitimacy that keeps the feds off their backs.  An MLM is an illegal pyramid to the extent its upline bonuses are funded on the initiation fees of downline participants.  (If only ACN was a publicly-traded company.  I would love to see its annual reports and look at the breakdown of its revenue sources.  If 90% of its revenue comes from initiation fees or annual dues, well then congratulations, ACN is only 90% pyramid.)

Other MLM models take the money out of the initiation fee and put it into the price of the product.  This is the case with companies selling miracle juice like Xango or Noni.  I was briefly involved in Xango (I was young and stupid), and they make their money by charging $30 per 1-liter bottle of juice and requiring reps to make a substantial purchase of product (inventory?) up front to sell to their friends and/or get them hooked.  The lesson from all MLM's, however they allocate the “cost” of their product, is that the business model is simply inefficient.  Either the reps or the customers (or sometimes both) get ripped off.  In ACN's case, it's mostly the reps, because from what I've read, their telecommunications packages are comparable to what the providers offer directly.

I lied; I wasn't brief.  But I can only hope this might save someone from wasting their time and money on such a futile endeavor.  And to all those ACN proponents: put up or shut up.  Show us the money.  We've heard all the canned lines and motivational BS.  Do what many have requested.  SHOW us how much you're making along with how many hours you've put in.  Oh and don't forget to deduct your initial $500, monthly website fees, annual dues, and conference dues/expenses.  We don't care unless you're in the black.

Great post!!!  Everything stated here is absolutely true and sad.  The stupid ACN clones can only regurgitate scripted lines their uplines teach them at the rah rah rallies.  'Your job is a pyramid scheme.'  'Quit making your boss rich by working for a 9 to 5 paycheck.'  'Don't believe the naysayers in life.  They are all broke losers.'  'Be coachable and follow the system.'  This is all the same type of stuff Jim Jones probably recited to his clones during the Guyana Tragedy.  'Drink the Kool-Aid clones.  We will be in a much better place once we do.'  When will you morons wake up and quit defending this scam???  And like ABF said, 'Show us the money.'  I don't believe any of you can or will.  By the way, Btshop87 you are a moron.  I won't even dignify your last post with a response because your are using top secret ACN double speak that none of us common folk understand.  F you.  Please quit posting your B-S here and get back to ripping people off.

OF COURSE “duplication” is the key.  That's just a word describing the pyramid effect and structure.  MLM's are not about the products they sell; they're about recruitment (or as you put it: duplication). 

It's just like what they tell you at the meetings.  “If you get two people, and then they each get two people, and then those people each get two people…..you'll soon have thousands of people under you!”  In fact, if that process were to repeat itself just 32 times, the entire population of the world would be in your network, plus about two billion orbiting martians. 

What is the response to that?  “Oh, well not everyone will get two people!”  EXACTLY.  MLM's are set up to fail.  They get relatively few people very rich, collapse or fizzle, and then those wealthy people start up something else.  The process repeats itself.  The same suckers get victimized repeatedly, and the same people keep getting wealthy.  Who is to say that the modern phenomenon of network marketing isn't also contributing to the extinction of the middle class and the growing imbalance of wealth in the USA and around the world?  The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is slipping into poverty, little by little.

Oh, and with your “200″ customer example, it would take just four levels to get to 1.6 billion customers.  Level 5 and you're up to 320 billion people.  The false idea that MLM's convey is that markets are unlimited.  Not even close.  Not everyone can be a salesperson.  Modern economy in this industrialized world is far too complex.  Some “losers” have to take those stable, reliable manufacturing jobs that produce the phones, cars, computers, and miracle juice that we all enjoy.

And just to follow that up with one more point.  The futility of the “duplication” effect is even more pronounced in smaller communities.  Imagine when ACN hits rural areas (like Montana).  Even if everyone in a small community signs up to be a rep, at some point the “market” (of new recruits) dries up and the ones at the bottom have lost their money.  They can't feasibly branch out and recruit people in other communities.  That's not practical.  These are the basic realities undermining the viability of any MLM, and you'll never hear about them at the pep rallies.  The lack of new recruits is effectively a mini-collapse of the pyramid.  Those at the top made money.  Those in the middle might have broken even.  Those toward the bottom are all in the red.

We all work for a pyramid … Who is your boss… Guess he makes money on your work .. right …

Tell your upline he is an idiot for putting that junk in your head.  A traditional job has no resemblance to a pyramid dummy.  If I go and get a job this afternoon at McDonalds do I have to pay a fee to begin working?  No.  Does the assistant manager who hires me get a commission for signing me up?  No.  Does the franchise owner get a cut of my pay?  No.  Do I have to pay a monthly fee to continue working at McDonalds?  No. Get it?  I am so tired of you clones coming on here and regurgitating the same old scripted lines they teach you at the rah rah meetings you have to pay to attend.  There is another point.  Do I have to pay for my training at McDonalds?  No. No. No.  Wise up losers.  You are running a pyramid scheme.

The bottom line is to be successful in this business, one has to sell a scheme to other people and use them. Yes, if none of us had consciences, we could all be rich (of course it would be hard to find that many gullible people). The only talent that you need to be successful in ACN is the ability to deceive others and no conscience. Apparently, you have both. Congratulations,  there should be a nice warm place in hell waiting when you are ready…

Went to an information session and my first impression is that it was a  pyramid scheme.
 A very nice friend had it at his house and showed my all kinds of payments he has received but it just doesn't sound right. Its too easy.
I'm a little surprised that this level of person doesn't recognize  what's happening here.
Its sort of Amway but at least with that you get a box of soap which is pretty good stuff-the only good stuff they make or sell.
So I said thanks, but no thanks and we parted as friends-I hope, because  they are very nice people.

As I just got send this link from a friend who got invited by ACN for the “rah rah” meetings, I will leave a comment from what I have read. Just before you start flaming me for whatever reason, I would just like to point out, I am not with ACN, nor do I have interest in joining it. Also, English is my second language, just in case you might point out a few spelling mistakes in my text. I must admit though I was curious and went to a presentation (which was free over here) out of mere curiosity. Although, I have been reading quite a few answers on this particular post which made me wonder, all these ACN haters, you all seem to share one point, you are all using such suggestive comment and from personal opinion. Let me quote a few lines, especially from the one that is called “truth speaker”.

Brotherofdeath : “I was also tricked and manipulated…”

Truthspeaker : ” I will keep posting on here as long as takes to expose this bullshit and I hope you do to”

Truthspeaker : “Good point.  They are a bunch of lazy assholes.”

Truthspeaker : “So much anger and so much truth.”

I cant understand why anyone with an objective regard on a subject would use such suggestive vocabulary. No matter what you have lived through or what ACN, or any other subject on that matter, had “done to you”, but flaming a company, a person for their life style choices or regards, who are you to judge them. They have made bad choices, maybe, they have been ripped off, if they joined for the wrong reasons then yes, but the ones that actually work are well compensated, as in any other business. New, by saying that ACN is a scam and should be hated and flamed to death, why not do it to any other multinational business that takes profit out of children in Asia, or simply paying very low wages at McDonald or WalMart. They are both companies that made a huge lot of profit in making people think they could get a better life, they employ anyone who's willing to work, while making huge profit out of the merchandise they are selling. They could probably pay their employees much more then minimum wage, but hey, it's less profitable that way isn't it?

To return on ACN's case, as in any other business, there's always the bad apple of the group. Yes, some people might be tricked by some representatives who are just driven by numbers without counting or thinking about the human behind the numbers. Have you ever not called or heard about Rogers, AT&T, Bell, or whatever other huge business that some employees promised you something and you felt ripped off, that your cell phone would be 14$ a month, but in reality its 14$ + activation fee + usage fees + other fees, which were not stated in the contract, but now you are stuck with it? You don't have to look far to see a lot of these situations, I myself work as a Customer Service Agent in some telecommunication company, and I've seen and heard all sorts of stories. I am not the kind to say anything just to get my numbers up, as yes, if you didn't know we have some numbers of sells, and receive bonuses from overselling services.

To quote Michi “By the way i have other businesses and it cost over $6000 to get a liquor license that is just one investment into my business.” So its OK to invest thousands, ten thousands or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a license and then make people work for you so you make hundreds of thousands of dollars if you put enough work and effort in your company to make it work? You cant promise a McDonald employee he will have a great life working there, but the boss is paying him what,7-8$/h and how much in sales do you think that boss is making out of it? 20-30$ of profit an hour? Probably the only difference is the 500$ entrance fee instead of the interview.

To conclude, on a personal note “Truth speaker”, who the hell are you to even name yourself of the sort? You hold your own convictions and interests, all the learning you've been doing through your own experiences, everyone has their own experiences and live with it, if it doesn't work out for you, then so be it. From most the posts I have seen, you are not speaking the truth, you are only telling your own story, your own perspective, your own point of view on ACN. You did speak a few truths over the hundred of messages you have left, but it's all clouded in so much personal feelings it's not even close to reality. Flaming other persons for the sake of proving a point, it's pretty much like politics. Why bother even trying to look good, when it's easier to just get others down to my level?

As I just got send this link from a friend who got invited by ACN for
the “rah rah” meetings, I will leave a comment from what I have read.
Just before you start flaming me for whatever reason, I would just like
to point out, I am not with ACN, nor do I have interest in joining it.
Also, English is my second language, just in case you might point out a
few spelling mistakes in my text. I must admit though I was curious and
went to a presentation (which was free over here) out of mere curiosity.
Although, I have been reading quite a few answers on this particular
post which made me wonder, all these ACN haters, you all seem to share
one point, you are all using such suggestive comment and from personal
opinion. Let me quote a few lines, especially from the one that is
called “truth speaker”.

Brotherofdeath : “I was also tricked and manipulated…”

Truthspeaker : ” I will keep posting on here as long as takes to expose this bullshit and I hope you do to”

Truthspeaker : “Good point.  They are a bunch of lazy assholes.”

Truthspeaker : “So much anger and so much truth.”

I cant understand why anyone with an objective regard on a subject would
use such suggestive vocabulary. No matter what you have lived through
or what ACN, or any other subject on that matter, had “done to you”, but
flaming a company, a person for their life style choices or regards,
who are you to judge them. They have made bad choices, maybe, they have
been ripped off, if they joined for the wrong reasons then yes, but the
ones that actually work are well compensated, as in any other business.
New, by saying that ACN is a scam and should be hated and flamed to
death, why not do it to any other multinational business that takes
profit out of children in Asia, or simply paying very low wages at
McDonald or WalMart. They are both companies that made a huge lot of
profit in making people think they could get a better life, they employ
anyone who's willing to work, while making huge profit out of the
merchandise they are selling. They could probably pay their employees
much more then minimum wage, but hey, it's less profitable that way
isn't it?

To return on ACN's case, as in any other business, there's always the
bad apple of the group. Yes, some people might be tricked by some
representatives who are just driven by numbers without counting or
thinking about the human behind the numbers. Have you ever not called or
heard about Rogers, AT&T, Bell, or whatever other huge business
that some employees promised you something and you felt ripped off, that
your cell phone would be 14$ a month, but in reality its 14$ +
activation fee + usage fees + other fees, which were not stated in the
contract, but now you are stuck with it? You don't have to look far to
see a lot of these situations, I myself work as a Customer Service Agent
in some telecommunication company, and I've seen and heard all sorts of
stories. I am not the kind to say anything just to get my numbers up,
as yes, if you didn't know we have some numbers of sells, and receive
bonuses from overselling services.

To quote Michi “By the way i have other businesses and it cost over
$6000 to get a liquor license that is just one investment into my
business.” So its OK to invest thousands, ten thousands or even hundreds
of thousands of dollars to get a license and then make people work for
you so you make hundreds of thousands of dollars if you put enough work
and effort in your company to make it work? You cant promise a McDonald
employee he will have a great life working there, but the boss is paying
him what,7-8$/h and how much in sales do you think that boss is making
out of it? 20-30$ of profit an hour? Probably the only difference is the
500$ entrance fee instead of the interview.

To conclude, on a personal note “Truth speaker”, who the hell are you to
even name yourself of the sort? You hold your own convictions and
interests, all the learning you've been doing through your own
experiences, everyone has their own experiences and live with it, if it
doesn't work out for you, then so be it. From most the posts I have
seen, you are not speaking the truth, you are only telling your own
story, your own perspective, your own point of view on ACN. You did
speak a few truths over the hundred of messages you have left, but it's
all clouded in so much personal feelings it's not even close to reality.
Flaming other persons for the sake of proving a point, it's pretty much
like politics. Why bother even trying to look good, when it's easier to
just get others down to my level?

he my name is daniel ive been reading alot of the post ….i use to be in acn like 5 to 8 months ago …and let me tell you ……it was crazy …my father was first introduce to this “life changing” bull we are hispanic and some dude for an american chruch told us to go to a pbr so me , my dad , and brother with an other friend went ….we sat there one night and heard the plan…..my eyes jumped and said this is the way to freedom …but my older brother wasnt so excited about the whole thing because he was recently in another mlm company and didnt do soe well ……so after the meeting we said that we were gana join but my brother told me no dnt do it it dosnt add up ……..long story short…me ,my dad,and like 4 other ppl join…but we were all hispanics……and we lost alot of money imaging 6X499.00= thats almost 3 gs omg i cant believe it …..ACN was a waste OF TIME AND MONEY … MY DAD CRIED WHEN HE SAW THE ACN BUISS……AND I HATE ACN FOR THAT AND ALL THE PPL I NO AND I HEAR PPL MENTIONING THAT THEY WANT TO JOIN AM GANA TELL TEM THE TRUTH…….GUYS I BURNED MY ASS OF …. I LEANERD EVERYTHING THAT I HAD TO DO … IVE NEVER WRKED SO HARD …LOL…..BUT ACN NEVER GAVE ME A FUCKING PENNEY….OMG….SO DNT JOIN

First of all companies like Walmart or McDonalds offer a product or products that the average American can afford.  Not everyone can shop at Saks Fifth Avenue for their clothing.  Thus, companies like Walmart and McDonalds must pay a prevailing wage to keep their costs low so the average consumer, who is probably making 7 to 8 dollars and hour, can put food on the table and clothing on their backs.  What kind of economics are they teaching in your country?  Are Asian kids working for next to nothing in third world countries?  Probably.  At least they have a job and some form of income rather then selling their bodies or peddling illegal drugs.  Are they the ones producing low cost clothing for Walmart?  I would probably say yes.  Is someone making a huge profit on these products?  Yes.  That is called capitalism.  Does Walmart turn around and provide employment for thousands of Americans?  Yes they do.  They may not pay alot but they do. ACN is in the business of tricking people into believing they are going to live the Saks Fifth Avenue lifestyle.  It's everyone's dream right?  No one is proud that they are forced to shop at Walmart or eat off the McDonald's dollar menu, but that is the reality of society.  ACN is about deception.  They claim to offer a low-cost product like Walmart or McDonalds but they really don't.  All they care about is recruiting another sucker who has $499 and a dream.  And by the way, I call myself the Truth Speaker because every word I just wrote is the truth like it or not.

This is a very sad post.  I feel horrible you lost your money to these crooks.  Preying on minorities and the elderly is part of ACN's agenda. Screw all of you ACN reps you heartless assholes.

Do you work for ACN?

Yeah but in a liquor store business, you will actually see money coming in, that is if you can run a business. =p

I got my masters in Electrical Engineering from Georgia Institute of Technology. I make $92,000 a year. I work in Ft. Benning, GA. I have been working for 5 years. Now, Mishie, how much do you make working for ACN?

Okay so I have been to an ACN “meeting”, not going to lie. I want some descriptions from some of you people who went to one themselves. What was it like? My experience was this:
- iPod dock with music playing
- A couple of statements
- a rather boring video of young people with exotic cars
- a demo of the video phone
- folder with information

I dont even feel like I want to argue with you about the fact that you hold the absolute truth… About your post, I would just like to point out that you dont have to join ACN. It's a person's own decision, and they have to live with it, yes they use flashy talks and meetings to sell their ideas, and so what? The “1$ every day drink” at McDonald is a flashy advertisements, catchy song, nice looking people. The only reason that they attract so much attention is the 500$ is costs to get a number. If you look at other renowned franchise, you look at 100,000$+ investments, and that might be the only reason they attract only more serious buyers.

So you speak truth when you say that you dont care about the fact that children are exploited all over the world, because at least they dont roam around illegal affairs? Thats disgusting, especially if the statement from I dont remember who in this blog which stated you work with children.

First of all, I did not say I didn't care about third world child labor.  I said kids in third world countries probably make most of the clothes in Walmart.  I do care, but unfortunately it is a truth in our society and until people stop buying low cost goods nothing will change and with the current state of our economy I don't forsee that happening.  As for my personal disgust with ACN, I quickly made the decision not to be involved with a company that preaches lying, deception, leveraging relationships, etc..  Remember my friend this is a website that is critical of the unethical business practices of most of the ACN reps so you surely must understand there will be people on here who are very critical of this organization.  I have personally seen about a half dozen (that's 6) of my friends get burned, or as you like to put it, flamed by ACN so I have a very strong conviction to warning people about this scam.  So here is my final truth on this response and every word of this is going to be true in one long poorly written sentence.  The majority of the ACN reps will coach you to lie to your friends and family members, (remember I said the MAJORITY which means maybe not all of them. I remember English is not your primary language so I am going to make this as clear as I possibly can) they will tell you to purposely deceive them (meaning your friends and family members) by not ever mentioning the three letters ACN until they arrive at the big rah rah meeting in someones shitty apartment (that is because if you Google ACN it automatically suggests the word SCAM behind it so that means nobody would ever show up at the rah rah meetings if they were forewarned it was a pyramid scam), they do promote a product, but the technology is outdated, the services are not really any cheaper than any other organization can offer, and ACN's main focus is not really selling any of these supposed 'low-cost products' their main goal is recruiting new reps and promoting a lifestyle you will never achieve because once you stop recruiting they will toss you aside like a piece of trash just like the ACN video phone.  My English professor is probably rolling in his grave right now, but I think you may understand my point.  Or maybe not.  You are the one who is disgusting and kind of dumb.

Do you know why working at McDonalds is a much better deal than being an ACN rep?  Well let me count the ways.  At McDonalds, you'll make $8/hour.  At ACN, the average rep makes $8 per YEAR.  At McDonalds, you don't have to pay $500 bucks just to put on the hat and uniform.  At McDonalds, you won't strain relationships by trying to get your friends and family to also come flip burgers with you.

The reason some of us are so critical of ACN is because of facts like these.  It's disheartening to see people get suckered into scams like this.  And do you really see nothing wrong with how ACN “sells” its product (recruitment) through veiled promises of lavish lifestyles?  I mean, at the very least it's misrepresentation and almost borderline fraud.  Don't you think all those potential recruits at the rallies would like to know that the average rep will only make about $8 per year?  Shouldn't they realize how many hours they're going to put in?

One other thing.  A lot of ACN supporters seem to think that as long as you're making money, then all is well and ACN is legit.  What they fail to recognize is that the manner in which one makes money at ACN is essentially a pyramid, which are illegal.  If someone wants to be an ACN rep and make money solely off residuals, then that's fine and I support them.  But in reality, a vast majority of reps who make any significant amount of money will be making it through recruitment.  The ends do not justify the means.  Just because I might be able to make money off robbing a bank, that doesn't make it right.  Similarly, making money in ACN does not justify the fact that one is making it essentially through a pyramid scheme.  So please, everyone, stop making the mistake of equating profit with legitimacy.  At least differentiate between profits off residuals (legitimate) and profit off recruitment (illegitimate).

Well, in our current Capitalist Society, we are all taught (by the media, and thus friends, etc.), that profit = legitimacy, which is why the country is going to pot for the majority, except for the wealthy few…

Good post my friend!  What do you have to say to this Patoulap????  Go cry to your upline and ask him if you are coachable and working the system properly.  Excel and prosper moron.  When you are broke and friendless don't come crying to us.

I'm sure he is an ACN newbie.  He spews the same scripted lies the ACN reps teach at the presentations.  Notice he is afraid to post on here lately because he got his ass handed to him.  Where are you GiveMeABreak???  Stealing from your friends and family members probably.

She won't reply to you.  She is another sucker who got caught up in the hype after attending a presentation.  She came on here defending ACN and calling us all idiots for not buying in.  By now she is probably realizing she's just another dummy who donated $499 to her upline.  I just hope it wasn't to that tool John Melton.

You really are fed up by your own ego. I have clearly stated that I am not a rep, or anything of the sort or related to ACN. And just for your information, I work for a telecommunication company as a network developer, and I am excelling at my work and prospering in my own life. Thank you for asking. Since you seem to like to go on a personal level because that seems to be one of your best arguments, too bad the facts and references to proven information, I will answer you on the same level you are. You must be one hell of a failure in life to have such a hate about such a company. Also you dont seem to have much to do of your free time as from what I can see you answer virtually every message that is posted here. (as I can see from the emails I receive) You have been scammed from a retard from ACN, and good for you. Since you seem like such a lowlife and probably such a poor guy that it was well deserved. AS of now, all the email answers received by this board will be put in my spam mails, I will be looking out for your answer, just so I can laugh at how miserable you are. Also, dont expect an answer from me as it wont come. By the way, the reason I wont be answering anymore is simply due to the fact this is not even a discussion, its a useless flaming war over ACN. Every rep has been flamed to death by this board, and I am was looking over an intelligent discussion, a real debate on the subject. Clearly this is too much for you so this is the last time you will hear of me.

Oh and since you dont bother with the details, you really didnt have to repeat yourself in a more “simple” way in the other post, because as you could have clearly seen my English is pretty good, and I was only stating about my few typing/grammar mistakes since you seem to put so much emphasis on that.

And your English professor makes crap for his income! Just like you! Who pissed in this guys cheerios really??? Is $500 really your life? Or what? Someone screwed you out of $500 and your this bitter!!! You have major problems bro! It's all about being a winner and whether I talk about my degrees from all the great colleges I've attended in the past, not to mention how the US and society promote this great “SYSTEM” of telling eveyone to spend $50, $60, $70,000 grand on their education that just gets them a crappy job and massive student loans for the rest of their lives!!! To all you people on this blog tell me that isn't the Truth??!!! Cause you know 100% that's you! But hey, you can say you have a degree! Haha

This is my situation, I have multiple degrees and have had multiple business ventures and have many student loans.  Many of my business decisions have been good and couple bad, but hey that's everyone.  I have done ACN part time and it has been a blessing to me and my family! Currently it is my 8th month and at 6 1/2 months I was promoted to TC (team coordinator) and really in my life I have always been a successful person whether it was academics, sports, or business and I'm not trying to brag but God has truly blessed me with always being successful! At TC my income varies from about $10-12,000 a month and it pisses me off that I have all these degrees and my upline RVP has ZERO!  And just yesterday he showed me his check for $38,000 this month!! Thats ridiculous if you ask me, with no degree!  For all you out there on the fence of joining, I'm going telling you right now it's not for everyone… I repeat it's not for everyone!!! Not all people are going make large sums of money.  But would if your not trying to make this your fulltime job, it's great to make an extra $1,000 a month and if you can't do that than your pretty much not a person with any type of determination.  And I'm not trying to put anyone down, but your just gonna continue with the same job you've beein working forever and the one you hate and make pretty much make someone else rich!! Haha It's all a mindset if your a weak minded person and look at things negativetly yeah your gonna lose! I have always felt in my life that I could win at anything! I mean anything I set my mind to! And guess what I have already in ACN and when I help out people by saving them money on top of it!! I'm Charlie Sheen WINNING! Changing my grandmothers time warner bill from $168 per month for tv, phone, and internet to $98 is really helping a family member anyway you look at it!  And our service will only go up $10 the 2nd year to $108 and thats forever.  So people need to get there info straight.  And did I mention that we are getting gas and electricity due to the deregulation of energy.  And guess what the big Scam company ACN is the only direct selling company allowing they each state to do that!  But oh yeah were just a crap scam company, huh?! Put it this way my wife is finance manager at BMW and she already spoke to them about switching only their electricity with us, and yeah there bill is $12,000 a month!!! So I get $1,200 a month for a one time set up with a 3 year fixed rate for them… and thats one account not having to do with my bonuses or other residuals!!  AHHH Like I said earlier WINNING!! All that matters is my success and that my family is financially free and I can personally tell you it's been great! So have fun everyone and good luck in your choices.! God Bless

Ok a few things about your comment.  First, you say you have “multiple” degrees and “many” student loans?  Yet you are unable to correctly distinguish between your/you're and there/their?  Something doesn't add up here.  Just goes to show that people can say anything on the internet.

Why are you attempting to minimize or rationalize the harm of someone getting “screwed” out of $500?  I mean, I appreciate your honesty in calling it how it is: screwing people.  But anyone who gets screwed out of $500 has a right to be angry–even bitter.  The so-called “system” that you think is so crappy for everyone actually works just fine for a vast majority of people who live within their means, get an education, and make smart investments.  It's been working for decades.

And honestly, would you re-read your post?  Are you trying to throw an ACN pep rally on the spot?  It's like you're reading from the ACN talking points circular.  It would be funny if I thought you were joking….but you're not.  Actually I take that back: it's still funny.

But your poor grammar and pompous self-posturing aside–what I find most offensive in your comment is the blatant attempts at manipulation.  I mean, are those really the lines you guys get fed at ACN rallies?  “ACN isn't for everyone!!!!”  “Oh, but if you can't make at least $1,000 a month doing this part time, then that just means you're a person with no determination.”  “If you're a weak-minded person then ACN is not for you!”  Seriously?  And you're NOT trying to put anyone down with lines like that?  (“Hey, no offense, but you have the intelligence of a tree stump.  No hard feelings, bro.”)  I'm curious to know what you say to people when you ARE trying to put them down.  And quite frankly I'm surprised anyone gets sold on manipulative crap like that, if that's really what is intimated at these recruitment events.  I mean, come on, can't you at least be more subtle about it?  When you have to manipulate people into joining your cause, you know you're in a shady business.  It's really that simple.

All in all though, good comment.  You really show the true character and methods of an ACN drone.  I honestly hope people considering ACN will come here and see your comment.

Yes you do sound like a real winner to me.  Your multiple onlne degrees from the University of Phoenix don't really count for anything obviously.  You just regurgitate scripted b-s taught by your ACN upline.  Congratulations on being promoted to team coordinator!  That's funny because at the presentation I went to my friend was congratulated and promoted to the next level for having twenty people at his first party.  Wow!!!  That sounds so hard to get promoted in ACN.  Nobody even signed up that night and he still got promoted.  And by the way I did not lose $500 because 10 minutes into presentation I got up and walked out the front door.  And I just loved your Charlie Sheen references.  He's a real winner as well.  A washed up crackhead appears to be your rold model.  Well done.  And shut up about the deregulation of energy.  That's old news and another ACN lie.  You should sign up for Ignite Energy.  It's the next ACN and you can still get in while the pyramid is young.

What is this constant reference to 'flaming' one to death????  Do they literally burn people from your country for being critical of an obvious scam?  And good for you for being a network developer for a telecommunications company.  Are you the guy answering the phones that I can never understand when I call Comcast for support?  As I have stated on here before, I did not get 'flamed' by a retard from ACN.  I'm not that easily fooled and am really wondering why you are defending this crap if you are not an ACN rep. I'm a little suspicious and I thought you were going to quit responding to my posts?  I can respond to you all day long.  I own a legitimate company.  I'm really my own boss, unlike the pretend bosses all you ACN reps claim to be.  And by the way, your English is not that great.  Your upline is lying to you.  But don't feel bad that's what they have been trained to do.  Lie and deceive people.  I just thought I would simplify that last statement for you.  I can't wait for your response!

Keeping it simple for everyone. For a startup fee of $499, and 25 new customers you can make up to 10% of residual commissions per month (depending on service). I already have 8 of those services in my household.  
The only other ingredient you really need to add is something called “work ethic”.  
The ACN system is not perfect, but if you put your mind to it and really do your true best you will see profits.  
Regarding the videophone, like any product, its something that has its own target market segment. I have 10 videophone customers who are mostly grandparents who like seeing their grand kids grow up.  
It does take time for the residual money to grow. It really is intended as something to develop on the side, while working your full time job. Imagine building a gumball machine business a few locations at a time. Over time the income becomes significant.
Every endeavor is both an art and a science. Learn to be great at what is involved and you will excel!

How can you say that ACN doesn't care if you ever sell a contract?  Completely untrue statement.  In order to become qualified and make ANY money through the company, you need to gain at least 5 points, which is the equivalent of about 3-5 services.  Might want to educate yourself before you start spouting off complete garbage statements.

I have to say, I really, truly think that you work at McDonald's.  And yes, you do have to pay a monthly fee to work at McDonald's…..its called pride, and trust me, you pay for it.  Your uneducated ranting on here is absolutely entertaining.  Do you know even know how to debate?  By the way, in the corporate world (professional world, not McDonald's), a large majority of new employees come from a referral basis, not an employment pool.  At least the good ones do.  Oh, and I get paid $3,000 every time I refer someone and they get hired.  By the way, I have two degrees in finance, and the company I work for is the most successful one in its field in the world.  Please reply, it will only entertain me further………Ra-tard.

Ra-tard.  Really?  Like I said to that other guy who claims to have a bunch of degrees, online colleges don't really count.  You can't even spell retard.  And I'm sure you work for the greatest company ever.  Good for you.   Are you really saying you have to be without pride to work at McDonalds?  I'm sure alot of people will take offense to that.  F-you Ra-tard.  I can't wait to hear your brilliant response.

You get 5 points for just signing yourself up.  It's been stated on here many times.  Wow!!!  Sounds so challenging to sell yourself.  You probably get a promotion for that as well.  Get off this site and get back to working on another online degree.

Amen brother!!  Couldn't have said it any better

Just a personal opinion:  If you look on the back of a dollar bill, you will see a “pyramid” with an “eye” above it. This is how our government was created. There will always be someone above you .. making more money than you. The President of the company makes more than the VP, the VP makes more than the Manager and the Manager makes more than the Janitor. Same thing in the military. You are paid according to rank, your bonuses are paid according to rank. MLM's are quie the same way, they are NOT illegal if they are offering “services and products”. The founders and co-founders of MLM's had to start out the same way as every other business..it costs money. If I wish to purchase a franchise..say “Subway or McDonalds” I have to pay quite a bit more money than I would pay to become and Independent Business Owner with an MLM. These other companies will not provide me a residual income, in fact the 401K most companies offer have been lost when the economy took a dive. If you are making residual income using services you and everyone else uses anyhow, then it's pretty much “recession proof”. I know too many people that have lost their jobs and have NO PLAN B.. it's very sad. My mom is 74 and still working full time .. MLM's do help but with everything else in life, it takes “work” to become successful. Most people don't want to work for success. We live in a microwave society. If I had put as much effort into an MLM that I believed in for 2-5 years, as I did a career for 15-25 years to come out with $100,000 yr and lost most of my 401k, that seems to be the smarter way to go. Have a back up plan, no matter what. There is potential with MLM's, you just have to believe, work hard and never give up!!

Blah, Blah, Blah, your job is a pyramid.  Blah, Blah, Blah, residual income.  Blah, Blah, Blah, your boss makes more money, his boss makes more money, the president of the company makes more than everybody.  Blah, Blah, Blah, you have to follow the system, work hard, and be coachable.  Blah, Blah, Blah, more bullshit ACN MLM rhetoric from another stupid ACN clone.  A normal company is not a pyramid.  A person's boss makes more than them because they generally have a higher skill set, more experience, or a better education.  The military is not a pyramid either.  If someone enters the military without an education or experience they join as an E-1.  As they spend time and gain experience they get promoted.  And you really think ACN sells recession proof services???  Here are 3 recession proof business models.  Funeral home director, barber, and farmer.  People have to eat, get their hair cut, and die.  Spew your ACN lies somewhere else.  This site is devoted to warning people about your scam, not selling them on your bullshit.  And by the way, the pyramid on the dollar bill has absolutely nothing to do with what you think it stands for.  The pyramid is unfinished at the top symbolizing our unfinished and still growing country and democracy.  The eye above is thought to be a symbol used by the Free Masons, whose membership included Benjamin Franklin, and is said to be above the pyramid to symbolize the Masonic Society would always have its eye on the United States government.  Do a little research before you post your own interpretation of history Sarah Palin.

Truth speaker beat me to it, but I found your little ditty on the “pyramid” on a dollar bill quite hilarious.  Is that another line they're spinning at ACN rallies?  It amazes me the ridiculous things people find to be persuasive arguments.  Other than that, your post is a simple regurgitation of ACN and MLM rhetoric.  Next please…

Yes you can make money from ACN but this article describes it best, as throwing your integrity out of the window. 

There are two local “SVP's” of this company who are making a supposed 7 figure income. And went as far as renting two Bentley's from a local Bentley dealership and making a commerical of success across the street at the local IHOP. They use these tactics as well as flaunting their large homes, cars, and lifestyle at the expense of struggling lower class citizens buying into this. They convince them of trying to call family members and friends they haven't reached out to in years to try and sell them the idea.

You can question these guys about these tactics and they will always throw their wealth in your face as an answer. In fact most of them go to church every Sunday to justify the shotty decisions that slowly eat away at their conscience if any is left.

Do what you need to do to get that money ACN people. Flash your dollars and exploit your fake wealth on facebook, youtube, etc. I'll go about my business in my mid 90's Toyota. But people who know me won't ponder stale thoughts about me. I will still have my integrity, and more importantly my soul.

if you Google ACN it automatically suggests the word SCAM behind it so
that means nobody would ever show up at the rah rah meetings if they
were forewarned it was a pyramid scam.

If you type in Amway it says the same thing… must mean it's a scam…
If you type in “the Pope” it says he is satan… must mean he is.. right?

Apple is signing a deal with ACN to use facetime with their video phone… yup it's a pretty crappy product. It only put the company on prime TV twice..

Ladies and gentlemen.. make your OWN decision.. I'm not with ACN i'm with Amway. If you are doing research, please research on credible websites not forums. Yes most people (95%) of fail in this industry, but is you want to look at stats: 5% of the population on the planet controls 95% of the worlds wealth. If you do not want to over $800,000 on franchising a McDonald, start in network marketing because you actually have the support and foundation laid out. I'm not saying what Truth Speaker said is incorrect.. yes majority of people lie to get you in, majority of people paint pictures that in reality are almost impossible to attain. But he could have been shown the company by that 'majority' of people who deceive and scam.

DO YOUR OWN CREDIBLE RESEARCH PEOPLE!

Fair enough.  This is a good subjective post from a person who has experience with the greatest MLM business ever created.  Amway has made many people very rich.  And I do agree, one should do credible research before they join any business venture.  Forums like this can only provide first hand information on real people's experiences.  Where will people find credible information on ACN then?  On John Melton's Facebook page?  On YouTube where a bunch of ACN clones have posted videos claiming how great ACN is? On ACN's homepage maybe??  First of all why would someone want to get involved with a company where approximately 99% of the people joining are doomed to failure?  And here are some statistics from Montana showing ACN reps are not really making any money.

In 2008, ACN recruited 91 Montana participants who paid approximately $61,741.69 to be a part of the program. Only two of the participants made any money, with one participant making $696 and the other making $700. (OK, maybe 2% succeeded in this first scenario)

In 2009, ACN recruited over 300 Montana participants who paid approximately $234,813.02 to be a part of the program. ACN's records indicate a mere $896.86 was paid out in compensation to these participants. (OK, this statistic totally killed that earlier percentage.  No one made any money!!!  No wait, $896.86 divided by 300 is $2.98 per rep if it was divided equally which it certainly was not)
Maybe they are not reporting their huge windfall of cash to the IRS and these records are skewed???  And I am not finding any evidence that ACN has signed a deal with Apple.  If they have it's very hush hush becasue I did multiple searches on the internet and found nothing.  Maybe Steve does know something I don't.  I would like to see some proof though.  And I do agree with you 100% concerning your final statements.  I was recruited by liars.  And I was recruited by people who painted an unattainable picture of enormous wealth.  But if the majority of the people recruiting for ACN are that deceptive why would anyone ever want to join up with these liars and cheats?

This article provides good points but with the right team in place you you will make money if there is a lazy individual on the team thats where the breakdown is and thats where the “poor people” are created if hard working honest individuals invest their time and find others like themselfs this system will work and I have a seven grand to show for it.

Was that really just one long sentence?  How about you throw some puncuation in next time you post a bunch of jibberish.  And don't you feel guilty that you stole all that money from your friends and family members?  Another great example of the typical uneducated ACN clone.  They have no remorse and truly believe they are doing the right thing just because they made a little money at it.

Wait, I'm not done with this one.  You really mentioned hard working and honest in this post?  ACN is the exact opposite of that.  They are lazy liars.  All they want to do is throw parties where they lie right to your face so they can put another $499 in their pocket.  That's hard working and honest?  And it's 'themselves' not 'themselfs'.  Unbelievable.

I guess the g1reatOne is busy forming a new business venture or getting another degree.  Or maybe he is WINNING at something.  I guess he is just too busy to reply.  Or maybe he is smarter than we gave him credit for and won't bother to come back so we can riducule him some more.  Please come back, you have topped Gizmo as the biggest pompous asshole on here.

Hey Patoulap where have you been?  I know you keep peeking at your spam inbox and looking at the posts here even though you think you are above that.  Hopefully you are reading a dictionary or doing something constructive like learning English.

I read this forum a few months ago and was surprised to see you were still working diligently at bashing ACN. I expect you will bash me for being an ACN rep, but I'm willing to take it. 

I have a few questions for you truthspeaker, Im not into the “you're an idiot, you're fat, you're broke” bullshit but if you wouldn't mind sharing your opinion on the topics Im gonna bring up, that would be great

#1 What is so completely wrong with these “rah rah meetings” in your opinion? 

The large majority of corporations around the world hold these “rah rah meetings” with the intention of developing strong leadership in their management. These meetings are used as training, not only on business concepts but on leadership, OB, new products/technology information. A ton of things, wouldn't you agree? 

In many different fields and industries it is mandatory that upper management attend seminars, training events, etc to keep motivated, up to date, etc… 

ACN does the same, people are not being trained to become ACN “clones” they are learning how to become successful in the network marketing industry through training by people who have been there and done it. 

A very large part of the direct sales industry is staying motivated. In sales you're going to find there is a lot more people who won't buy than who will. So, staying motivated is a crucial part. Thats just how it is with the sales industry.. So, I dont see what is so wrong with these “rah rah” meetings? and for those on here who have said ACN doesnt have rah rah meetings.. you're wrong. They do, and i would agree that I dont like the “fluff” many of the top leadership throws into their presentations.. but you need to take everything you hear for what it is. 

Also, if you feel that Amway is the best MLM out there.. and it has made many people rich.. why is it impossible for ACN reps to become rich? Because it costs $500.00 to sign up? 

#2 What is the real problem with paying $500.00 to start in this business? 

$500.00 barely gets you anything these days. Lets say YOU WANTED to sell wireless, energy, internet, etc.. Where is the problem with paying the $500 to do so? 

I dont know if it's different in the states, but in Canada and in my organization.. The first goal of any rep that joins our team is to earn their initial payment back. Out of the last 19 people who have signed up in my organization 15 have received a bonus above $500.00 for becoming ETT in their first 30 days. 

I do agree much of the fuss around ACN is caused because of the people involved. But to call it a scam is silly. The business is what it is, and is upfront about it.. You get customers and you get customer getters.. If you dont do either of these things you dont make money.. if you do, you do! 

Residual income is something that takes time to build.. but not just time..WORK to build. if you WORK, in TIME it will come, and perhaps you dont believe this..and by no means in hell am i rich from ACN.. but if i could send you pictures of a few cheques I've received from ACN what would you say then? to someone who is only an ETL (2nd position in ACN) and already receives a small residual cheque every month? It is currently $198.00 a month, and nothing to go crazy about.. but it comes in. 

If you sign up as an ACN rep, without inquiring how to make your money back right away, why would you do it. It's a business.. All businesses take hard work and there is a huge learning curve, but its a simple business.. ACN teaches you a system thats what these rah rah meetings are about.. if the system works, and you follow it, and you offer products and services that people use everyday, provided by the largest companies in the world.. what is wrong with that? 

Good post. First let me start by saying I have never called anyone fat or broke on here.  Idiots, morons, stupid, brainwashed, yes I have.  I've personally been called broke and uneducated by many supposed ACN reps on here several times.  The reason I say supposed is because I don't believe that some of them are legitimate ACN reps.  Guys like Gizmo or this new idiot g1reatOne are just too dumb to be legitimate at anything.  Concerning the rah rah meetings, my friend who attempted to lure me into ACN has been to these meetings and he has told me firsthand it has nothing to do with sales training.  It's one person after another telling everyone in the room how rich they are getting.  The fact that ACN charges a fee to attend these supposed motivational meetings is suspicious to me.  In the previous company I worked for we threw regional user meetings where we had catered lunches, offered free rounds of golf, and even paid for their overnight stays if they travelled a far distance.  There were no fees involved.  We just felt it was a good relationship building experience. 

Concerning the $500 fee.  I think that is fine if it really is what you say it is.  My partners and I have probably invested close to $100,000 to get our company to where it is today so $500 seems like a value to me if it is a legitimate fee.  I personally believe in the vast majority of cases it is nothing more than money lining the pockets of the ACN reps and the presentation I attended this guy John Melton even admitted it was nothing more than a pyramid scheme.  It's that type of arrogance that infuriates me.  Maybe you have become involved with a small faction of ACN reps that are actually attempting to run a legitimate business and if that is the case I applaud you for it.  I think you are in the minority, but good for you.  It sounds like you have honest intentions and I hope your integrity sticks with you and you don't chase that easy recruiting money.  As for Amway, I know that when an Amway rep knocks on my door they have something of value for me to purchase.  I can easily make a quick decision wether or not to buy some laundry detergent from them.  With ACN I'm not really sure I can save any money by signing up for cable, internet, or energy services.  From what I have read the customer service is non-existent, the price is not really any cheaper, and who really wants that video phone?  See, I'm a pretty fair person when approached in a peaceful manner.  Good luck to you my friend, and again, don't get caught up with the lying and the deceitful tactics some of your fellow ACN reps are getting involved with.  I hope you go far.

Thanks for your reply, 

I would agree that many of the things that bring negativity to this business are the people involved in it. I have dealt with them myself, under me as well as above me. There are leaders in my marketplace whom I pay no attention to anymore for the simple fact that they would rather talk about how nice it is to succeed in this business, rather than how to do it. 

But there are many others, such as myself who will tell you straight. All of my reps understand before signing up what ACN is, what MLM is and how we operate. At home meetings if someone is so eager to sign up, I recommend going to a saturday training first, so they have a first hand look at what its like, and if its something they can do. 

Not many people can do what it takes to be successful in sales, or as an entrepreneur in any business, so many MANY people will not succeed in ACN. but i still attempt to teach my team that if you don't have integrity you dont have anything. 

There is a system that works, any ex-reps who made no money, or lost everything (including family and friends) in ACN were either complete idiots, or had a terrible up-line. If you sit through a presentation done properly by someone who is knowledgable about the business and you understand HOW you make money.. this shouldn't happen to you. Its all laid out, and if you read the sheet yourself, you can see how it is possible. 

Thats not to say its a great thing to everyone. I realise many people still wont like it, or wont do it, but if you are someone who decides to do it.. theres no reason you should fail miserable and lose all your friends and family. 

 If you sign up you should:
- realise you're selling products and services to your warm market (friends, family, people you know)
- have people in mind who also may be interested in this type of thing. If you don't have friends, or you know your friends wouldnt like this.. why would you do it? You have no one to become your partners..
- understand that its called network marketing, not notwork marketing.. 

It's silly the people who rag on ACN for being a scam when they were in for 2 years and never sold a service or signed up a new rep. Of coarse you're not going to make any money! Of coarse its not going to work! It doesnt matter if you're in this business for 30 years, if you become an ACN secret agent and dont tell anyone… you won't make any money, and that goes for any business. 

but anyway.. 

I would agree today that many people aren't as interested in the video phone as ACN and other companies like cisco had anticipated. it isn't the product of today, but perhaps tomorrow. It's a hope I have as an ACN rep..lol, 

Thanks for allowing me to state my opinion and for replying respectfully truthspeaker. 

To anyone thinking about becoming an ACN rep, 

Take it from an ACN rep who is willing to be real with you. If the person that introduced you to the business used words such as rich, less than 2 years, millions of dollars, huge savings.. dont bother wasting your time… This business will work as hard as you do, and if you're not looking to invest 3-5 years minimum to earn anything significant financially dont waste your $500.00. Also, if you dont see yourself working with the person who showed you, or the people in the room, stay away. These people will be your only way of advancing further into the company, you can't do it alone.. and if you learn the wrong way, you're doomed. 

MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION! Understand its not easy.. understand most people dont want to be involved in MLM, regardless of who says its a good thing.. BE INFORMED! Dont jump in if you dont have the time to invest, if you ever want to be successful in ACN, it can't be a part time thing.. You need to set aside the time, and work to get to where you want. 

Attention ACN clones.  Please read RobA's post carefully.  This is how a legitimate business should be operated.  Even if it is multi-level marketing, it sure sounds like Rob is going about his affairs in an ethical manner.  He seems to care about the people he has recruited.  He seems to really believe that this business model can be run ethically.  There is no such thing as a 'get rich quick' scheme.  Robbing a bank kind of is but it will ultimately put you in jail.  I don't have a problem with collecting a little cash along the way by taking some recruiting fees.  Some corporations call them referral fees.  Kind of the same thing.  But offer a product or service that has some type of value.  Do not live on recruiting fees.  Someone always loses in this scenario.  So if you are ok with everyone beneath you losing go for the typical ACN model.  Recruit.  Recruit.  Recruit.  If you have a conscience and care about the people you have chosen to surround yourself with in this life operate your business like Rob.  Just to show I have not gone soft, F-You John Melton.  F-You Donald Trump.  And F-You Gizmo, Angelmommy, Mishie, g1reatOne, and Patoulap.

If you are considering joining ACN, please read this…

ACN is not illegal. ACN is not a scam. And ACN is not evil.

However, just like buying a brand new car, taking an adjustable rate mortgage, or use your credit cards instead of cash to buy things you want, ACN is also a very very very terrible financial decision. ACN is a pyramid scheme. It's that simple. Of course, they make sure it pass the legality test so they don't get arrested and shut down. Used car dealerships sell cars to people that can't afford, then repossess the cars so they can do it again. Bank approve mortgages to people that can't afford them. Credit card companies give credit cards to college kids who don't have incomes. Are they illegal? Of course not!!! However, are they unethical? I'd say yes.

You are not becoming a franchisee if you sign up. A real franchising business will show you the numbers: median revenue, expected cost, success rates, etc. ACN won't give you that. They'll just show you that the “leader” of your region got a brand new car. 

You are not starting a business if you sign up. Asking other people to ask other people to ask other people (you see where this is going) is not a business.

Donald Trump backs it? So what? As long as ACN is a legitimate LEGAL company, there's nothing wrong with him wanting to be part of a money-generating machine. People own/endorse things way worse than ACN (credit card companies, subprime lending institutes, sweatshop, brothels, etc), so why can't a celebrity be part of a pyramid scheme company?

At the end of the day, just use common sense.

$499 for membership fee?  When I saw that on the application then my “alarm” went off.  That is how they make the for people on the TOP.  I just came out from a meeting, it was more like a “dinner” buffet…nothing was discussing.  I am a sales person for the last 10 years, and this is nothing like a SALE meeting.  It is more like $499 donation.

Really???  You changed your name to Truth Speaker's Father.  A little creepy if you ask me.

Wilfred's comment (below) reminded me of something else.  ACN (and MLM's in general) are just economic bubbles.  They only stay in existence as long as they can find people to believe that their worthless product is actually worth $500 + yearly fees.  And they rent the bentleys and talk about money and wealth and early retirement all in an effort to keep people buying in.  Herd mentality.

ACN relies on the “greater fool theory,” described as “bubbles driven by the behavior of a perennially optimistic market
participants (the fools) who buy overvalued assets in anticipation of
selling it to other speculators (the greater fools) at a much higher
price. According to this unsupported explanation, the bubbles continue
as long as the fools can find greater fools to pay up for the overvalued
asset. The bubbles will end only when the greater fool becomes the
greatest fool who pays the top price for the overvalued asset and can no
longer find another buyer to pay for it at a higher price.”

Now I realize the price doesn't change, so it's not a perfect analogy, but you get the idea.  All ACN reps will eventually hit a wall where they have talked to everyone they know and can't find anyone else to be a greater fool than themselves.  It's a fool-driven bubble.  And the reason everyone says to get into MLM's early is because the fool market for that particular worthless product or service hasn't been tapped, so you'll make a lot of money before the fools run out and the bubble bursts.

I went to their presentation today just for entertainment purposes. The basis of their entire business model is that social networking through desperate people with high hopes is somehow a better marketing tool than well-placed commercials or believe it or not, a superior product. If I like Verizon wireless, I say it to my friends but they already own phones and have made their decisions long ago. This silly pay 500 to get cheap phones from sketchy entities is really what people want. I know ACN offers a bit more but it is an illogical means of income.

Seriously is the american dream to be a useless middle-man pushing some $500 social network media marketing service. This is why America is doomed with 600 trillion dollars of debt. In a service/product driven economy one has to offer something of WORTH at a competitive price.

Prepare for the death of the dollar i.e. hyperinflation. 

A fool and his/her money are soon departed. Go make something.

Awesome!!!  Some very powerful statements that I completely agree with.  ACN is an illogical means of income.  It is silly to pay $500 to get cheap phones from sketchy entities.  ACN does believe that selling to desperate people with high hopes is somehow better than offering a superior product that uses traditional means of marketing.  And it does seem like the new American dream is to do nothing and somehow make money at it.  Well said mom!!! And I think the death of the dollar is already here.  Prepare for the next recession people.  Oh, and screw all you ACN reps.  Quit stealing from people!!!!

I am heading to Sydney this weekend for my first ACN conference!
After reading the comments posted below, I am pleased to see that the only arguments seemingly put forward against ACN is the ” it's a pyramid scheme” cliche, the ” you have to pay upfront to make money for them, is that fair?” tale and the “rich are getting richer” ploy.
Is it so inconceivable to want to be a part of the “rich are getting richer” population? Hard work= profit.
Pyramid working environments exist in all types of occupations, not only “scams”. McDonald's has been referred to as an alternative to make money rather than being employed by ACN. As a previous employee of McDonalds in Melbourne, Australia, I can tell you they also work on a basic pyramid scheme. It starts and ends like this:
McDonalds Headquarters outsource the buying opportunity.
A rich man buys the store.
The rich man gives back a percentage to headquarters
The rich man pays his staff
The staff pay for training courses ect to work at McDonalds
The rich man gets a percentage of the training fees
The staff get paid reasonably low.
And the cycle continues.

Now, I don't see countless blogs and comments ranting about the evils of McDonalds. Maybe because the temptation of the next big mac or cheeseburger is just too great
I have worked for a group under the COBRA umbrella. Now that is a scam.

To your_mother; who are you to decide or judge on what is the “american dream”? Is a useless middle man the dude who provides for his family and creates wealth for his family and security? Australia is very much the same in our views of what we call the ” Australian Dream”. We work hard, we play hard and we enjoy everything we work for. Is it so bad to want to be a part of something better than what we are already doing to achieve all of the above?
As you seem very educated on what the consumer market is driven by, answer me this: If ACN was able to offer you a deal on your communications that IS superior to what you are using now, would you take it? Everybody is looking out for their own back and I hope you can swallow your pride and say YES!
The consumer market, whether we like it or not, is the world we live in today. Keep up, or get left behind. We can all bitch and complain about the rising prices in the economy, but next time you make a phone call, drive your car, use a plastic bag, eat a corporation hamburger, boil your kettle, pay for a movie ticket, see a band, get your hair done, buy medication, remember that you ARE lining someone elses pocket with what you consider a necessity in our consumer driven society. We are all guilty of profiting from someone elses work. Your pay check has to come from somewhere.
And so if I or countless of other people want to make some hard earned cashola on our own terms, then so be it. Realistically, if you believe you can not do something, you are guaranteed to fail. I could be going to a conference about selling half price oranges to the Australian public, either way I'm not going to sit on my spoilt consumer driven ass for the rest of my life and wait for things to change.
Here's to Sydney!!

I have a friend…(well used to be cause now apparently I'm a rotten apple) who is also heading to Sydney. Costing him over $500 with travel, accom, food, as did the last 2 conferences. Been a rep for over a year now and making a whopping $13 per month.  Take away the monthly fees and the nearly $200 a month he gives ACN for all his overpriced services and he is really living the dream.  Be better off putting it on horse 2 in the 5th at Randwick…..just sayin.

After reading all these posts, there are a few issues that have not been addressed. First of all , the $499.00 gives you the right to BROKER services. Services that the consumer will never pay off. Home security, computer support, local & long distant plans and now energy. ACN has 2 not just 1 retired Attorney Generals on the board of directors so everything is done properly.ACN offers services at a wholesale price. Why pay for advertisements such as junk mail, commercials and phone calls. Part of the pricing for these services includes the advertisement. why pay retail pricing for services you'll never pay off, when you can pay wholesale and cut out the middle man. I am a ACN service provider, and I cant imagine why you wouldn't want to pay wholesale if you can.The $499.00 enables you to get ALL THE TRAINING AND RESOURCES YOU NEED TO BUILD A BUSINESS. There are over 1,200 employees at the home office, for you to utilize. Any question you have 24/7. As you acquire cuctomers, they can go directly to your web site and research services that interest them. I don't know of any other business that has everything in place for you, If you had to pay for all support including research, documents and web site you would be paying thousands  a month.  ACN simply offers a way to get on the other side of the billing cycle on   the same services you already use. So are you saying that, Sprint, Tmobile, Nextel, verizon, ADT home security, local and long distance, dish network, direct tv and now planet green energy are all scamming you? They are our Partners for these services. By the way, Clear wireless contacted ACN to offer their services. why, because they know consumers are looking for other options besides a kiosk at the mall. So while your bashing ACN please bash all the other partners we have. Please take the same amount of time bad mouthing these providers as you do as ACN. See where you get with them. You can barely get a cheap suit for $499.00 these days and if I can save my friends and family a little $ every month i feel good about it. this will really get your goat TS there is a very well known college teaching the ACN business model. Really, you do the research. sorry you don't get it. My final words are. WORK = $$ SIMPLE. have yourself a great ACN Day…..

I have one word for this.  Bullshit.  Sorry, I lied because I have a lot more to say to this guy. First of all it's 'you are' not 'your'.  And why did you phrase the attorney general comment the way you did?  Is that how your upline tells you to say it? ACN has 2 not just one retired attorney generals?  And come on ACN reps what's wrong with a little puncuation every now and then?  It really shows the level of education of the average ACN dummy.  Think about that attorney general statement some more.  They are retired.  They probably got offered a nice sum of cash to make this scam look legit.  Donald Trump takes the ACN payola.  Why wouldn't they?  And ACN does not offer wholesale anything.  Another lie you have been taught to spew at the non-believers.  And yes some college is probably teaching the ACN business model to college kids because about 9 out of 10 college kids get recruited into some type of multi-level marketing scam during the recruiting process or at recent graduate job fairs.  Almost everyone of my roomates got offers from insurance companies, Primerica, etc.. One scam after another.  The class is probably called 'Scams to Avoid 101'.  That means it's an entry level class for freshman just in case you were wondering.   And you have a great ACN day yourself sir!  What the hell is a great ACN day anyway?  Let me guess.  A great ACN day is when you get at least two suckers to shell out $499 (it's a broker fee according to this clone).  I guess different factions of clones have different definitions of it.  Take your scripted lies elsewhere douche.

You are scammed everyday, and you don't even know it. Let me give you a few examples  1.The skinny jeans, Do you really make you look skinny? NO! 
2.Product packaging Do you really get the blonde bombshell after using AXE??
3. Is charmin really softer then the leading TP.?

It's funny people call that misleading. so whether it's a scam or not it is happening to you all the time. Look around you. This also has the backing of the BBB, (that's the Better Business Bureau in case you didn't know) I won't let this become a tit for tat debate, My time is more valuable then that. While you can wait around for social security to take care of you, I prefer to have a plan B. I don't have the notion that someone else will take care of me or my family when the time comes. I don't plan on screwing anyone in the process either. So you and your roommates can sit around spewing vile all day long, I have a future to plan for , ACN or not.
Please don't reproduce, there is enough anger out here already. P.S. My husband thank you for the laugh, and by the way Douche is so out…….

Hey TruthSpeaker, …how many identities do you have?  (LOL) 
Why should the ACN defenders “go away from this site” (one of your unique iterations to drive them off) and not state their side of the issue?  You should remember that by doing so it bares people's true motivations in a way that  we wont ever see under normal circumstances.  Let them bare it so the public can see it. 

I cant spend alot of time here and am so far dissapointed that nobody has commented on why so very little is said about the friggin products ACN is selling?    My cousin was very keen for me to get back to him when he was trying to sign me up as a rep, but i declined because the two videos he recommended said absolutely nothing about their products we would be selling.  I told him that was of paramount importance but he disagreed and felt the profit motive was the only thing worth considering.  I suspect i will be helping him with some kind of purchase in the future, like i've done before with the other MLM ventures he gets suckered into.  I dont have the heart to challenge his claims of success, as he does just before leaving that business for something new.

I mean, wouldn't it be alot esasier to sign people up for selling something when they know exactly what the numbers are and have the clearest idea of what the challenge is?  Geez,  after i told my cuz i wasn't interested in being a rep, he hasn't bothered to get back with me about any potential savings he can offer me with my internet or other services.  Can someone explain why ACN couldn't just list that on their website and allow the general public to shop for communications products there, without going through a rep?  What am i missing?

Mishie,  try to ignore the grammar police – they are admitting their argument is not very strong when they have to critique a misspelling.

 Its too bad that the $500 ACN buy-in isn't as sound an investment as a liquor license is.   Imagine paying for that license and you couldn't find customers to buy liquor.  That seems to be what is happening to most of the ACN newbies.  Only the brave will admit they were snookered, least someone like yourself tells them they are a failure.  BTW,  $6k is cheap for that license – there are people willing to buy that off you for $50k and up, if its in calif.

If you want to defend ACN, can you help me out by detailing the costs to me for switching my cable internet over to them from time warner?   Can anyone state the dollar costs for a cell phone service from them?   Why is nobody commenting on those details that would make all the difference with being successful in selling their products?

If people knew this before buying in, there would be fewer instances of “failures”, with the false reasoning that it was the seller's fault that nobody wanted to buy something that wasn't a good deal.  If the ACN product was a good deal, then there would be very few “failures”, ..right?  Can someone please defend ACN by giving some true examples of the cost differences to the potential customers?   Their videos only train people to focus in on the profit motives of signing on new people and not the kinds of good products they are selling.  This indicates their products are Not as easy to sell as they lead you to believe, ….no?  

Why do they need so many reps to sell the same products?

Those are the 3 dumbest analogies I have ever heard.  And I totally thought you were a guy or I would not have called you a douche.  Sorry! So let's get started now.  The BBB has received a total of 380 complaints about ACN in the past 3 years.  And the BBB does not back anyone dummy.  They accredit a business.  Simply put, that means the BBB accreditation does not mean that the business' products or services have been evaluated or endorsed by BBB, or that BBB has made a determination as to the business' product quality or competency in performing services.  It means the BBB has determined that ACN meets BBB accreditation standards which include a commitment to make a good faith effort to resolve any consumer complaints.  Big difference.  I just love how ACN has brainwashed all of the clones to just spew out the same B-S rhetoric.  Donal Trump endorses us.  He's no dummy.  ACN has retired attorney generals on staff.  They can't be stupid.  Some NHL hocky guy is an ACN rep.  Yeah, those guys are usually pretty smart.  ACN was featured on the Celebrity Apprentice.  You sure were.  They made fun of ACN by doing a gay parody between Jose Canseco and Gary Busey.  Well done.  An admitted steroid junky and a raving lunactic on a tv show that is nothing more than a scripted paid advertisement run by your paid endorser Donald Trump.  Wow ACN is sounding so awesome right now.  And your time is so valuable you don't have time to post on here anymore???  Well ok.  Have a grat ACN day dumbass.

Great post Mike!!!  They can't do it.  All they are trained to do is recruit and repeatedly spew some scripted lies about Donald Trump, Celebrity Apprentice, attorney generals on staff, energy deregulation coming soon, etc….  That's the funniest one to me.  I live in Pennsylvania and I believe our state deregulated energy sales in 2009 and the ACN clones in our area are so stupid they are still saying, 'Just wait to see what happens to us when the state deregulates energy sales'.  If ACN was really selling 'wholesale' services, as they like to put it,  they would have the highest success rate in the modern business world.  Instead they cast an enormous drift net into a sea of unqualified suckers who have a dream and $499.

Another good post!!!  I only have one identity Mike.  It's Truth Speaker and I chose that name because I knew it would infuriate the ACN clones on here.  Brotherofdeath is a different person than me and I love that guy.  He's way more angry about this scam than I am.  I believe he's lost some close personal friends because of ACN and he is very bitter and honest.  Sometimes his name does show up as Tyson.  I'm not sure why that happens? And I was very interested in the statement you made about supporting your cousin who continually gets suckered into MLM scams.  My friend who tried to recruit me was involved with many MLM's in the past.  Primerica, Shaklee, Ignite Energy, some other nutrition supplement product I can't even remember the name.  And I always supported him by buying some vitamins or some protein shakes.  But what I find very interesting is the same people get targeted by the MLM's over and over again.  That certainly says something about them.  I'm not sure what that is at this moment.  Maybe they are the eternal optimists among us.  And again, you won't find any ACN supporters on here that can show you any true savings.  It's all a pack of lies.  And believe me I don't want the ACN clones to leave this site.  Every time they post it makes their scam even more apparent.  Take care and good luck with your quest for the facts.  I was going to say truth there but that may have come off a bit cheesy.  Later.

You do pay for working at McDonald's. You pay them with your time. Because to People like you and every other idiot who loves to for 40 years. It is indeed a blessing. Because in their world the amount of time you give equates to the amount of money you make.  But I am glad you are not successful in business. Because you probably SUCK at business. I am so glad you are on this site because haters make me happy. And if my grammar sucks then blame the US school system. I hope you reply to me because it makes me happy to have you waste your time replying to me. Because you love us so much that you hate us. Its truly wonderful on how much you care about peoples opinions. Oh, and why would i want to listen to someone who condones violence of any sort. when they say there trying to protect people. Live your life and just stop hating. But I think you like the attention. You sir or ma'm, more likely a sir, are indeed a whore.

First of all dumbass don't post using my name.  And I am successful at business.  I love how ACN teaches their reps to make an assumption that everyone is broke and unsuccessful.  This is the typical lashing out of another ACN clone.  I would surely love to have an exchange of post with you if you had any decency.  You really have no argument for me.  And you are the typical lazy American looking for something for nothing.  You have to blame the public school system for your horrible lack of understanding of the English language.  Go back to the country you came from because you are obviously not from America.  We don't want your type here anymore.  Why don't you just have a couple more kids so you can just live on the welfare system so our country will surely go bankrupt.  I can't wait for the backlash on this post from all the immigrants and foreign borns who ACN targets and has convinced they will soon be living the American dream.  Oh, and great closing statement.  Indeed?  Why don't you and Baejr, Dengpingziang, Pataloup, Rashpunjob, Pedrogrishbecht, Gizmo, and all you other fuckers who can't speak our language just go back to where you came from.  Our country just can't support all the losers in the world.

Can someone tell me why my sis-in-law needed $5000.00 to attend a training event in Monterey??
Why this “business” was costing my brother a ton of money earned by working alot of overtime at a real job?
Why the debt that his wife got them into depressd him so much that he took his own life?

Because they teach all the reps to “fake it until they make it.” I joined a pyramid scheme called Travelogia back in college that was run by the same core group of people that are doing ACN now, and the “leader” of the group got a shiny brand new Escalade at the time. 4 Years later, he's with ACN now, got his car repossessed and his parents' small motel is now a collateral to the bank because he took money out to finance his ACN business. 

It's really too bad our society nowadays justify actions based on legality instead of morality. ACN really is no different than Enron and Madoff. ACN is legal, just like what Enron was doing with their accounting practice and SPE arrangements. ACN will make people money just like Madoff was doing, as long as you are the first group of people who got in and cashed in. As long as the bubble doesn't burst and too many people get hurt, everything is in the legal gray area.

I Just have to say one thing – ACN bonuses are absolutely not paid out from registering new reps.  You could sign up a thousand reps and not make a penny.  

People do not make money in ACN until customers are acquired.  The bonuses are paid out upon customer acquisition.

Maybe this is true, but you get 5 points for signing yourself up for ACN services such as cable, internet, cell phone, and that stupid ass video phone right?  I believe that counts as a customer aquisition doesn't it???  If that is true it is just more of the typical ACN bullshit rhetoric and word play to trick dumbasses into signing up and coughing over another $499.  Losers.

No, you do not get 5 points for signing yourself up.  You get points by obtaining customers.  If you happen to be able to become your own customer, you can do this yourself.  Not everyone has the capability of becoming their own customer, so they need to get other customers in order to become qualified.

You get points for getting customers.  If you decide to become your own customer, sure, you get points from that.  Most people are able to obtain 5 points in their own home.  Some are not able to do this.  You do not just get 5 points for signing up for your own services, you get the same amount of points for any service as you would if you were selling it to your neighbor.

OH look you have changed your name again.  Back to Cbrd1228 I see.  I kind of liked when you called yourself truth speakers father.  Loser.

So the answer is obviously yes then?  If you sign yourself up for cable, internet, cell phone, and you buy a video phone you get 5 points as your own customer and you have now qualified yourself as a rep who has aquired a customer?

So the answer is obviously yes you can get 5 points for signing yourself up as your own customer.

I absolutely love ACN!!! It has changed my life more than I could have imagined. ACN has amazing people involved that have wonderful possitive personalities and are willing to go above and beyound to help you secceed in ACN. I spent the $500 and I am so thankful that I did. I can tell you that it has done more in my life than my $30,000 degree has and I only paid $500. ACN has been going for almost 19 years and is still running strong. Please tell me how that is possible if no one makes it in the business. I can also tell you that I have not lost one friendship over it nor did I trade in my dignity. I love what this company has helped me do in my life and I woudl not change or say a bad word against. I LOVE ACN!!!!

Sure, it can work like that, however, I fail to see the problem here.  In any business, I would expect most people to be their own customer.  If you own a sandwich shop, it would seem logical to eat there.

You're right about one thing, your time IS valuable. That's why I get paid by the hour, because my time IS valuable and my time is recognized by my employer. Not so my friend who makes about $13 per month after working his ass off for a year in ACN. His time is not at all valuable to ACN, just the other poor suckers he recruits and their $495.

The point is ACN is all about recruiting.  You qualify for the recruiting bonus by signing up your first customer, which is yourself.  They don't really care if you ever sign up another customer.  All they care about is signing up a bunch of new reps.  That is their legal loophole.  You are right, if you own a sandwich shop you will certainly eat there.  ACN knows this.  If you are an ACN rep you will certainly use their services.  This is called a pyramid scheme.  The only winners in a pyramid scheme are the ones on the top.  Everyone else loses.  Look at Smart Cookies post below.  His friend makes $13 a month.  He has probably quit recruiting and is working his ass off trying to sell ACN's bullshit services and making a couple cents per customer.  Wise up people, this is an evil scam.  The guys on top are laughing at how stupid you people are while their bank accounts fill up with money.  Everything they tell you is a well scripted lie.  ACN does not save anyone money.  The ACN videophone is ridiculous old technology.  Donald Trump is a white collar crook.  And John Melton from Baltimore is a heartless conman that will surely end up in hell with all the other ACN crooks.

Nice name Idiot.  Where did you go to college for $30,000?

Absolutely Agreed
This conversation between truth speaker and RobA should be read thoroughly by all those pushy reps in the business, as well as by all considering the opportunity.

According to the above article, virtually any network marketing company could be called a scam by virtue of the fact that only a small percentage of those who try it will make a decent amount of money from it.

Is acting school a scam?  We all know that a very small percent of actors make a successful living.

Is Jenny Craig a scam too?  Most people gain the weight back, you know!

You are acting as if people's own lack of followthrough or success is not their own issue.  You are also ignoring the fact that the services provided by ACN (cheaper services for phone, cable tv, etc.) provide real value to customers.

By the way, look at the votes you have compiled.  As of today, 27% of the people who voted have made $1000 or more with ACN.  This is hardly the grim picture you paint.

My boyfriend (at the time) got me into acn about 4 years ago. He told me that I could make thousands of dollars of extra money every single month, and like an idiot I believed him.. even though he was only making a few hundred dollars himself, but said he was close to reaching the next level and that's when the “real gravy” would come in! I had to sign up a minimum number of customers for the first month, which I did, but I also had to recruit 2 other people into the business as well.

This is where I had trouble, and found it very difficult to get any of my friends to join because they would all say they would “think about it”, then go online or ask others what they knew about acn, and then come back and tell me they didn't want to join because they thought it was a scam or pyramid sceme. The fact that I had not signed up a single recruit in the first couple weeks angered my boyfriend, and he said I needed some serious coaching.

When we sat down and talked about my poor performance with recruiting and I told him many of my friends thought it was a scam or a type of pyramid, he said they were all stupid, losers, lazy, and will never amount to anything in life.. ironically the same thing you hear many defenders of acn say when the topic of failure is brought up in forums. Many resort to attacks and name calling, which was exactly what he was doing back then. This upset me to hear him say this about my friends but I didn't quit at that time, although looking back I wish I would have went with my instincts and left acn AND HIM when things didn't seem right.

So next came his “coaching”, and keep in mind that I was a young and naive 22 year old at the time, and he was 31 and someone I thought I could trust and help guide me. He said my problem with recruiting people was from a lack of discipline and commitment to a set of goals, and that he was going to teach me discipline and that there are consequences when a goal is not met. To learn discipline and consequences he said he was going to spank me over his knee, and said this would happen every time I did not reach the next goal.

When I told him to let me have one more chance first and to give me another week and I would have the new recruits, he said he had already given me enough time and now I had to be coached. This kook had me drop my pants and go over his knee (yes as I already said, I was an idiot) and he proceeded to spank me like a ten year old. For those wondering, this was not some kinky sex game, and he had never done anything like this in the two years we had been going out and living together. He was serious and didn't just give me a few light taps. It was very humiliating and he didn't stop until I was crying real tears!

A few days later I managed to finally sign up one of my friends, and of course my boyfriend took credit for it saying his “coaching” obviously had some effect. Actually the friend that signed up I had spoken to the previous week,and had nothing to do with him at all. Her main reason for joining was because she has lots of family overseas and thought she could sell a lot of video phones. As it turned out most of her family used a computer or laptop with a camera already, and none were interested in the expensive phone.

It was now close to another deadline where if I didn't sign up one more person he would not move up to the next level and lose out on some bonus, so at this point he was really pushing me and I had to go for yet another painfull coaching session over his knee. Looking back, the crazy part was one night I heard him talking on his speaker phone to his upline and I could hear the man on the other end say things like, “If that's what it takes to get her in gear, do it!” and further into the conversation he said, “Young people need a firm hand every now and then. Keep doing it as long as you have to because we need those numbers!”. At this point I finally knew I had to leave acn and my boyfriend as he was changing into a brained washed fool, and I didn't want to change into one myself.

Luckily I was able to move in with one of my girlfriends a few days later,and at her advice (her father is a policeman), I changed my cell phone number and wrote him a letter saying I was through with him and to not contact me ever again (he still knew where I worked) or I would have him charged with harrassment. I have never had personal contact with him since.

Two months ago one of my friends who knows him told me he is working at a burger place and he lives with his parents. He used to drive an old car, but my friend tells me he doesn't have it anymore and takes the bus. When my friend asked him if he still did acn, he quickly changed the subject.

On a side note I wanted to mention the effect acn can have on your friends. When I first signed on I had a little over 500 friends on facebook. After contacting them (At my boyfriends request) about the opportunity with acn, over 130 have removed me as a friend. Coincidence? All 130 of them in such a short period of time? I agree with others when they say people will not want to be around you anymore. Many look at people in acn like an annoying telemarketer. They get enough of that already in their daily lives and don't need friends bothering them with these things. Remember, even if you offer something to a friend that is not a scam but after they look into they *think* it is, you will probably lose the trust of that person.. possibly forever. Something to really think about.

I went back to school and took some business courses and work for a great company with fantastic benefits. This past year I bought my own condo, I have a nice little car, no debt and money in the bank. I am not a millionaire, but I am happy. And in the end that is all that really matters to me.

Judy

About a month ago, I was asked to come by and see the seminar. It was 30 minutes and everyone was so enthusiastic. The guy who invited me was a co-worker and he would not give me details. He just kept telling me that he was a part of it and that he was going to make it big and leave the company that we were in. Since he did not give me much to go off, I decided to go. WHat the hell, it was only 30 minutes of my life.

So I met some people with smiles from ear to ear. They were all so happy and cheerful. They were talking about how they were everyones support group and that they were there to make everyone else successful…..not to mention make money off of me.

So I sit in this seminar, and I see another co-worker of mine. As the thing starts rolling and they were talking about the future of ASN, me and the other co-worker were rolling our eyes wanting to get the hell out of there. They were so nice, it was hard to say F&*! off I want to go home. Also, because our other co-worker (the one that invited us) was there.

They kept trying to sell us on ACN, and I was getting a little upset. They kept saying you have 2 options. SIgn up and be a part of this great company or, you can support your friend and purchase some services from him. In my mind I was thinking, I have option 3, I can have nothing to do with ACN. My co-worker was worse than my Marine recruiter from high school. He just kept bugging to make sure I was gonna go, if i changed my mind and I was gonna join.

Unfortunately, I feel that the majority of people that fall for this are uneducated people with big dreams. I saw a lot of young kids there. Now we are just making poor kids stay poor.

The co-worker has only sold services since the month he has been with ACN. He sold services to his dad, and this it the kicker. He sold services to himself. granted you get a small kick back from what you sold to yourself and your dad, but who else in this world has a video phone. I know of 0.

If you are curious, please do not do this to yourself or your friends and family. Just walk away.

This may be the saddest and most twisted example of an ACN clone trying anything to succeed.  I'm glad you left this guy.  I'm also glad you moved on and are succeeding at a real job.  The clones can tell all their lies and say how great ACN is and how we are just a bunch of  broke 9 to 5 dummies.  The truth is ACN is a scam.  You will alienate your friends.  You will be forced to lie to everyone you know in an attempt to get their $499.  You will end up broke and friendless living in your parents basement.  That is as long as you have not scammed them as well. As always, screw you John Melton and screw you ACN.

that's a bunch of crap what every one is talking about its a scam to u when your not out there being a go getter but i have a friend as a representative and she's making 7 grand a month it always depends what u make of it

Translation please????  Here let me try.  Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit.  Learn our language ACN morons.  And how about some puncuation?

The comments i have read seem to be charged with emotion, lots of name calling and personal attacks. I recently attended an ACN “Party”, where I was shown all the benefits of joining. I had some doubts and thought I would like to think it over, I'm glad I did. I always get a suspicion when a business opportunity which is so good gives such a hard sell, surely if it is such a great deal, it should practically sell itself. 
Many years ago my daughter went to a talent audition to try out for some work in commercials. After the audition, the agent said she had great potential and would take the as a client for a fee of only $1000 for the portfolio pictures to show advertising agencies. Bingo, No legitimate talent agencies ask for cash, they are going to make money by marketing you. Since then I am always leery of opportunities that ask for a registration fee. If they are on the level they can deduct a percentage of all the money I will make for them. That's my observation and opinion, for what it's worth.

PS. Just in case anyone wants to know, I spent my working life in the IT field and am now happily retired.

I enjoyed this enlightening article.  I attended a home based meeting Sunday and plan on going to a hotel meeting this Sat.  After reading your article, I do not plan on joining.   Will take my money and go to school to be a massage therapist.

to mack how much money do you make with acn?

dam truth speaker you papi is raw ha ha
 

rod did you make good money with acn i ask because im thinking of joining and want to hear if its profitable or not thank you for your time
 

there are more poor people than rich thats a fact

giz can you be a Muslim or a Jew and be part of acn ?

HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU MAKE WITH ACN? 

I read through all of the post and saw a recurring theme among the pro acn’ers and that is the seem very combative, angry, disrespectful and hateful. I went to a acn meeting tonight and started to do some research on acn, that’s how I came across this web site. Is it a scam don’t know, but as the saying goes if it sounds to good to be true than it often is. I think I will continue with my education which is fueling my personal growth even though each semester I get hit for a few hundred bucks for books but them books contain knowledge and I get to keep them. All I know is don’t pick a debate with the truth speaker because he will win. Kudos truth speaker for you have great taste in your argumentative skills and keep up the good work in your profession. The truth for me is it does sound shady any business that asks you to hit up your family and friends doesn’t seem to reputable.              

I read through all of the post and saw a recurring theme among the pro acn’ers and that is the seem very combative, angry, disrespectful and hateful. I went to a acn meeting tonight and started to do some research on acn, that’s how I came across this web site. Is it a scam don’t know, but as the saying goes if it sounds to good to be true than it often is. I think I will continue with my education which is fueling my personal growth even though each semester I get hit for a few hundred bucks for books but them books contain knowledge and I get to keep them. All I know is don’t pick a debate with the truth speaker because he will win. Kudos truth speaker for you have great taste in your argumentative skills and keep up the good work in your profession. The truth for me is it does sound shady any business that asks you to hit up your family and friends doesn’t seem to reputable.              

Thank you, truth speaker. I have been reading your posts for the past few months! Glad you are standing up against this crap. If I had more time I would do the same. I love all your comments against these scammers. And you’re right. This is the SADDEST story I have heard. As incredible as it sounds, I totally believe it!

If people only made money from ACN through selling the phone services, no one would be complaining.  But that’s not reality.  The “big bucks” come through signing others up; therefore it’s the pyramid aspect of ACN that people focus on.  That’s the lucrative bit, and that’s what we can’t stand.

And please, you don’t really put much stock in an open, unvetted, online survey, do you?  Hell I even voted on that thing and I’ve never done ACN.  People can say anything they want on the internet.  

I SEE A REPEAT OF THE SAME WORD SCAM….can everyone relax…now give the facts that identifies the Scam in ACN  business  opportunity….and why is pyramid used to denote bad thing…is there anyone who really things building a pyramid does not take sweat and blood{check history,on pyramidbuilding}

truth speaker is telling the facts…. ACN is b.s. and a scam, ripping off friends, severing relationships, annoying the heck out of people, ACN reps all think theyre going to be millionaires but instead they are wasting everyones time in their own agenda to become the next millionaire. i know a person very well who is doing extremely well as an ACN rep for many years. he is finally making $100 a month residual after so many years of hard work. 

truth speaker is telling the facts…. ACN is b.s. and a scam, ripping off friends, severing relationships, annoying the heck out of people, ACN reps all think theyre going to be millionaires but instead they are wasting everyones time in their own agenda to become the next millionaire. i know a person very well who is doing extremely well as an ACN rep for many years. he is finally making $100 a month residual after so many years of hard work. 

SCAM, SCAM, SCAM.  Your use of bold letters makes your post so authoritative and credible.  ACN does not really offer legitimate products.  Sure they claim they do but it’s all lies.  The videophone is outdated technology.  No one is really saving any money signing up with ACN for their cellular or cable bills.  And ACN proudly announced the deregulation of energy in Pennsylvania almost a year after it was deregulated.  It was old news just like everything else they claim to broker.  ACN services are not even available in some states, yet the ACN scammers still throw recruiting parties there.  And it is a pyramid scheme.  People are only making money on the recruiting fees.  Therefore it most certainly is a pyramid SCAM.  Oh and nice pyramid analogy.  Who cares if some ancient civilization built some stupid pyramids.  They are nothing more than lavish burial mounds for royalty and were built to honor false gods just like you ACN losers worship money. 

Oh my god!!!! A hundred dollars a month.  You would have to live 833 years at that rate to become a millionaire and that’s if you did not spend a penny of it along the way.  And we all know the ACN clones can’t live without their lavish lifestyles of leased cars and clothing they really can’t afford.  I mean image sells, right clones? Who would buy into your scam if you pulled up in an 82 Chevy Cavalier?  Thank you for this informative post zmg90.  Screw you ACN. 

Thank you Rachel!!!  I check this site every day to see what idiocy the ACN clones post.  They are all just temporary believers.  They get all excited after leaving a rah rah meeting and truly believe they have stumbled on to their chance at the American dream, when in reality they have been purposely targeted by the ACN scam artists for their $499.  And I believe Judy’s post as well.  Who could make up a story as sad as that?  I wish her the best.

I would like to post something positive about the ACN service. I travel a lot and tend to stay in different countries for extended periods of time. I have a video phone that I can plug in with any internet service and I have the ability to call home and SEE my family, (better quality than skype…), not only that the international rates for calling are really LOW so I get to talk a lot to my family and they get to call me! Not only that my phone number does not change and it does not cost others from home more money to call me.  So for me, the ACN video phone is a life saver! The customer service is good as well. I can manage my account online…. I can see how signing up reps might be misleading but the products ACN sell are GREAT! They should really focus on selling the product. Way better than other similar service providers.

I call BS.  No one lugs around a video phone while traveling.  Why should they when pretty much every laptop and tablet these days has a webcam?  And skype is free.  A video phone is a one-trick pony.  Why invest in it when you can get far superior functionality and versatility out of an ipad or a laptop?  Also, they fit into your carry-on or checked luggage a lot better than ACN’s video phone.  So yeah, BS on this guy.

Nice post ABF.  I call BS as well.  Probably an ACN plant.  You and your upline have been exposed Journeyblogs.  You can now do high def face to face with GoToMeeting or even an IPhone.  And how many people are really travelling abroad on a regular basis?  Even if this post is true it’s a very rare scenario.  Have your upline come up with a better story next time.  It was a touching tale about how much he enjoys talking with his family though.  Better luck next time ACN clone.

Wow, It seems that you have anger issues against ACN. I can promise you that people save money every day! I have saved people money over and over. I do not promise savings to them but offer a chance to evaluate what they are paying and give them the option to be my customer. Not everyone will see a savings, but most people I have delt with do. Sorry you feel the way you do. Seems you may have had a bad experience with something or someone. Now people are people, some good and some bad. If you run your business with ethics and do not BS anyone into your business or services, then you will never have a bad word said about you. See the reality of this business model is that bad people can get in and run the business the wrong way and unfortunatly make the other business owners look bad even if they are not.If you are a good person you will run a good business and everyone will know their own abilities and set appropriate goals. I have not lost 1 friend or had 1 person be able to say I did or said something not real about this business. What I have been able to do is help alot of good people in bad places, make money to put food on the table. I wouldnt change that for anything. 
 As far as making money on the recruiting fees, where did you get that? Not at all true. 

Wow!!!  I was totally buying into your post until your last statement.  You blew it my friend.  If you would have ended your nice little story without mentioning there are no recruiting fees I would have said good for you.  You really had me convinced you were running your business ethically.  Now I say bullshit to you.  This is the same pack of lies that almost every ACN rep regurgitates.  ACN reps only survive on the recruiting fees.  It’s been stated on here a hundred times.  Why should any of us believe your crap???  Tell your upline you screwed up and allow him to take the appropriate disciplinary actions against you.  None of us are buying into your scam.  And yes I do have anger issues against ACN because I don’t like to be lied to.  Oh, and congratulations!  You have now joined the elite club of liars that includes the Great1one, Gizmo, Angelmommy, Rashpunjob, and Tom Mack.  Well done!!!  You are among great company.  You should be very proud.  Now go away.

Listen Mr Angry, I didnt say one lie in my statement. I also didnt call you out as someone who feels good about spreading BS about something he personally knows little to nothing about. And of the things written by some of the people on here….half truths at best. People have been screwed with bad reps. It unfortunate but, EVERYONE has the ability to see in black and white as a new rep exactly how to be successful. If its not for them, guess what? They have 10 days for a FULL refund of the money! WOW hows that for scamming people out of money? Actually giving it back! 
  Im not giving an opinion, just facts. Again its a people business and sad to say, more negative people than not! If you want reality, then ask, stop believing everything you read here.

“it’s a people business”  That’s exactly our point.  It’s a business about recruiting people (i.e. getting the $499 rep fee), not selling valuable services.  That’s called a pyramid scheme.

Not exactly what I ment, but I think you know that. You know we do not make a dime in this business without getting customers. Not people. You can get into ACN and NEVER get anyone involved in your business. Not one person! And guess what? Just get customers and make money. Really.

This is just an example of two very irrational people. An opportunity like that in which you can be involved in ACN is NOT for everyone – that’s something a lot of people don’t understand, especially since the presentation does tend to glamorize the job prospects. But what company wouldn’t play up the potential pay off so as to THRIVE? A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FAIL. Business is risky but the potential pay off is enormous. Success requires a skill set that a lot of people do not have, which is work ethic, leadership, communication skills, resilience, patience, and rationality – a set of qualities that I don’t perceive as being very fleshed out based on the tone of voice, choices, and attitudes portrayed in the two individuals above. 

One thing I seem to be hearing in common in all the negative comments on ACN is a very defeatist attitude. I’m hearing lots of victims severely angry that some organization SCREWED them over or took advantage of them. Let’s say hypothetically that ACN is a big fat scam. Why would you be stupid enough to fall for it then? Why didn’t you do your prior research, evaluate EXACTLY what a pyramid scheme is and its various components, and then see if ACN meets up, instead of identifying two similar isolated characteristics? Properties have to be evaluated in bundles in order to obtain the full picture. I think the people exhibiting the strongest backlash are those who originally WENT INTO the operation with a sense of disillusion – A QUICK FIX TO RICHES! Which is isn’t completely preposterous since the presentations do glamorize the opportunity and make it seem very appealing. But you’ve got to read between the lines, man. THE ESSENCE AND NATURE OF BUSINESS IS THAT IT IS RISKY RISKY RISKY, ITS HARD WORK, A LOT OF PEOPLE FAIL, THERE ARE PLENTY OF SCAMS, AND THE POTENTIAL PAY OFF IS TREMENDOUS. However, success requires a skill set that THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE dont have! Work ethic, leadership skills, communication skills, a strong sense of self, charisma, rationality, resilience, intelligence, ability to relate well with others, and good intuition. If EVERYONE could do it just like that, business wouldn’t be business. There would be no such thing as success. And remember, you’ve got to fail your way to success! 

The reality is:
Some people in the company are successful. Some are not. The company is the same. The products are the same. Therefore, success or not depends upon variations among PEOPLE. 

This is basically a forum for failures to vent in a herd and thus feel better about themselves. Reality CHECK! The truth will set you free. 

One thing I seem to be hearing in common in all the negative comments on ACN is a very defeatist attitude. I’m hearing lots of victims severely angry that some organization SCREWED them over or took advantage of them. Let’s say hypothetically that ACN is a big fat scam. Why would you be stupid enough to fall for it then? Why didn’t you do your prior research, evaluate EXACTLY what a pyramid scheme is and its various components, and then see if ACN meets up, instead of identifying two similar isolated characteristics? Properties have to be evaluated in bundles in order to obtain the full picture. I think the people exhibiting the strongest backlash are those who originally WENT INTO the operation with a sense of disillusion – A QUICK FIX TO RICHES! Which is isn’t completely preposterous since the presentations do glamorize the opportunity and make it seem very appealing. But you’ve got to read between the lines, man. THE ESSENCE AND NATURE OF BUSINESS IS THAT IT IS RISKY RISKY RISKY, ITS HARD WORK, A LOT OF PEOPLE FAIL, THERE ARE PLENTY OF SCAMS, AND THE POTENTIAL PAY OFF IS TREMENDOUS. However, success requires a skill set that THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE dont have! Work ethic, leadership skills, communication skills, a strong sense of self, charisma, rationality, resilience, intelligence, ability to relate well with others, and good intuition. If EVERYONE could do it just like that, business wouldn’t be business. There would be no such thing as success. And remember, you’ve got to fail your way to success! 

The reality is:
Some people in the company are successful. Some are not. The company is the same. The products are the same. Therefore, success or not depends upon variations among PEOPLE. 

This is basically a forum for failures to vent in a herd and thus feel better about themselves. Reality CHECK! The truth will set you free. 

Let me guess you work for ACN. Im sorry you are a brainwashed idiot also. Judy sounds very sincere and intellignet and her boyfriend was brainwashed and beat her. Apparrently thats ok with you. So keep YOUR irrational opinions to yourself or I will beat you!!!

Well said!

fuck you gizmo. you little piece of shit. god you are annoying.

add yourself to the list of retards you asshole.. you have got to one of the dumbest mother fuckers on the planet. Have a great life…. retard!

Well that was entertaining. Reading through the comments section provided plenty of entertainment for one afternoon. My friend signed up with ACN recently and has wanted to set up our Internet through her (we just moved). I have no problem letting her set up my Internet – if simply letting her set up my internet helps her make a little money to feed her five kids, then fine – but it does make me nervous having her as a “middle man”. Does anyone have any experience or insight with this? I have absolutely no desire to become an ACN rep or anything, but I do need Internet……

Vazz,

I am not with ACN nor am I considering ACN at this time.  But I am preparing to work another similar opportunity.  Honestly, this thread has reenforced some of my concerns about the industry in general and the telecommunications portion of the industry in particular.

The claims made in this thread are that only 1 in 200 ever make any money in ACN.  And I know that some of those who do make it had significant dowenlines built before they joined.

I have appreciated your posts.  I’d like you and the other ACNs reps who post here to answer these questions:

1. From what you have seen in the company, would you say that the rate of people who consider themselves to be successful in ACN is better than 1 in 200?  If so, provide some observed facts.

2. Have you had results that show clearly that you will have a better than 1 in 200 success rate in your downline?  Once again, give the observerd facts.

3. If you are having better than average success, to what do you attribute your success?

Thanks,

John

ACN’s comission plan makes no sense at all. You have to sell at least $10,000 in regularly paying customers on their service just to get $100 back. And their services are much more expensive than other providers. There is a reason ACN is not as big as AT&T and Verizon, et al… they are not a real telco company, not even a real reseller. To give $500 to someone you never met in your life is a dumb financial move anyway.

This posts reads like a cut and paste from an ACN guerilla marketing team. I even enjoyed the counter-culture use of “BS”…edgy ACN!  Next time posting from ACN admin offices, don’t dumb down your reply (misspelling of “delt”), rather, make an intellectual and fact based argument for the attributes of your company…and come out and say YOU are ACN and proud of it!

acn is the best!!!

acn is the best!!!

all you guys are haters cuz you probably got kicked out and are against this company!

who ever is reading this bs you could quit acn!

all you guys are haters cuz you probably got kicked out and are against this company!

who ever is reading this bs you could quit acn!

I was thinking about joining acn. I’m glad that i read what happened to you and im happy that you got out of the realationship with your x and moved on with yourself. I wish you the best of luck. I’m just going to stick with my photography biz. I don’t want to screw my friends over. Thanx for your post

Typical ACN Bullshit.  This opportunity is not for everyone.  The essence and nature of business is risky.  If you dedicate yourself the payoff can be tremendous.  Success requires a certain skill set.  You forgot ‘choose a goal and excel and prosper’.  Your upline will be very upset with you dummy.  And you are such a stupid brainwashed ACN clone that I really think you may believe the crap that spews from your mouth.  These are all just words and phrases ACN reps have crafted to make people believe they are really buying into a legitimate business opportunity.  Unfortunately they are nothing more than that.  A bunch of words and phrases.  And how do you intrepret her tone of voice, choices, and attitudes by a simple post on a blog?  And what is fleshed out anyway?  Go back to stealing money from your friends and family members ACN clone.  No one is buying your poorly crafted BS here.

Good for you Leanna!!!  Stick with what you know and love in life and you will succeed.  And thank you Judy for posting your story.  You have succeeded in steering another innocent person away from this scam.  Well done my friend!!!!

You are a douche.

It’s simple,
simple, simple math people. First off ACN is not a scam …period. Nor is it an
illegal pyramid scheme. It is legit, it is in very poor taste but it is legit.
 Think of it this way….

Upfront $500

say you buy a
couple of products to boost yourself

set up costs
for each 50$ – total $100

monthly
recurring charge say one is $15 and one is $40

say in two
months you get your first check $40

then the
promises that oh you are just 3 product subscriptions away from the next level
where you get the big bonus… you make it in another week and get the check
$420 dollars.

WOW this is
growing… 

a couple of
weeks later you get another check for $50. cha ching!

That is $510
dollars you just made your money back .

This IS how it
plays out people… now lets break down what this means. 

My son got
sucked into ACN and I see firsthand how many hours he pours into it daily.
 I will be conservative and say he puts 25 hours a week into it and that’s
over a lets say summer break, 3 months give or take.  4 weeks a month 3
months 25 hours a week… 300 hours. Conservatively. 510 dollars divided by 300
hours is …. $1.70 an hour … after taxes.  If you worked at any
McDonald in the world for half those hours you would have made more than you
gave ACN, think it through people.

But wait there
is more.  

You forgot
about the money you gave THEM. If you total up the numbers I gave you earlier
you have given them $765 of your money so if we subtract the $510 they gave you,
you have a net loss of $255 for your 300 hours of dedication.  

So lets do the
math again. -255/300 is you giving them $0.85 an hour to let you recruit more
people to give them at least $500 bucks a person.  Like i said before it
is legal but in poor taste.  

I think most
of us are intelligent enough to see where I am going with this argument. If not
email me and ill carry on for you.  

Let me explain
how I handled the pressure from my son. I went to the meeting prepared …. not
with tricky questions. Not with marketing stratagem arguments. I went… with
my bank statement and a smart phone.

When we were
all hob knobbing and talking about how we are all going to get rich on this i
said to the group of 27 people there that I wanted to ask a question.  Once
I had their attention I said if you are a guest and not a rep sit down… 4
people sat down.  23 left. I said if you live with your parents sit down.
Only 3 left stand. Myself and 2 gentlemen (happened to be roommates) in their
20′s.  I said ok I have a challenge I will sign up today if you can meet
it. Here is a copy of my bank statement printed a couple of hours before I came
here look at the time stamp. If either of you can show me your bank statement
right here on my phone and have as much money as I do I will give you the
credit and I will sign up under you.  I left that day never signing up
with ACN and never being harassed to come back.

Of course they
had every reason and excuse in the world from I have a high paying job to it
takes time to build to the level they want to reach, but is that not true of
everything worth striving for in life?

This is a 100%
true story. I’m nobody special. I am a 40 year old video game enthusiast. I am
a regional training manager for McDonalds not a high paying job at all. I own
my own small 3 bedroom 115,000 dollar home.  That day my bank statement
had $233.41 in it.  Please realize people that your time is valuable and
it is worth more than the -$0.85 an hour ACN is willing to pay you.  

Thank you Seth!!!  What a great and revealing truth filled story.  I will have to agree with almost everything you stated except the statement about ACN not being a scam.  It sure sounds like a scam to me.  Especially the way you described it.  The first thing an ACN upline will force his new recruit to do is sign themselves up for services totalling 5 points.  It’s a feel good scenario for the recruit because they instantly get promoted to the next level and ACN has provided instant gratification to the new ‘millionaire in the making’.  It’s a very integral part of the scam.  The next step in the scam is to get them to the ‘millionaires club’ meeting where a bunch of phoneys all brag about how much money they are supposedly making.  Unfortunately it’s more scripted lies, but the new recruit gets all excited to go out and recruit everyone on his cell phone or Facebook page.  Unfortunately that is where the backlash occurs.  Read on here another post where a girls Facebook friends all disappeared when she invited them to the big presentation.  And of course they are coached not to mention ACN for fear that they would never be able to recruit anyone because of the evil internet and sites like this that are devoted to exposing the scam.  My buddy got sucked into this scam and his upline had the balls to call me after I walked out of his phoney presentation and actually told me he tought I was smart enough to not believe everything I read on the ‘evil internet’.  I do love the way you handled yourself at the presentation and it is very funny that almost all of them lived with their parents and not one of them had more than $233 in their account.  It is also funny that the ratio of reps to recruits is so high.  The meeting I went to had obvious plants that all claimed to be making untold riches through ACN.  The funniest part of that is I knew of the personal financial history of one of them.  He has gone through multiple foreclosures and personal bankruptcy.  And he was the one claiming to make the most out of all of them!!!  ACN promises riches and a lifestyle that none of them will have if they follow the ACN path.  Good luck to your son and I hope he wises up and does not ruin a bunch of relationships he has spent years building and fostering.  Again, thanks for the informative and truth filled post.

Here’s the short and simple answer:

If you think it’s a scam, then it’s a scam.

Now let’s break this down. Look at our world today. Look at the economy. Now lets think about business. 

What is the most essential thing for a business to survive? Customers.

Let’t think about that. A business needs customers to survive. I don’t care what business you are in, if it’s ACN, McDonalds, Walmart, whatever. A business needs customers. 

How do we get customers? Supply and demand. You need people who want what your business has in order for them to do business with you. If they don’t want it, then you don’t get a customer.

Without customers, there is no cash flow. No cash flow means no business.

Now lets think about business owners. How many people actually own a business? Less than 5% of the population.

Why is the number so low? Because people are raised with their parents advice. Get a good education, get a good job, and retire. 

When people think of retirement, they usually consider social security. Social security was never designed as a retirement system, and is failing at doing so. The next generation will most likely not have that option, as people are living longer and retirement age is getting higher and higher.

Lets go back to the job aspect of thinking. People are used to getting paid for time. Now, where does that money come from? The business they work for.

Most people don’t think about owning their own business. I don’t blame them. It takes a lot of work and planning to own a business.

When you start a business, its always a smart move to have business partners. Not only to ease to workload, but help with financial aspects as well.

Take for example Michael Dell. He left UT to start his business. He started building PCs in his dorm, and just like MLM business, he asked a few of his friends to be business partners and help out. He told them that they would get a piece of the sales. Sound familiar?

Like ACN, when Michael Dell told his friends and family, they considered him crazy. He lost a lot of friends. People stopped talking to him. But did he stop? No. People called him crazy because they don’t know business. They were used to getting paid by the hour, and not through investing and growing a business.

Now where does the scam idea come in? Right in the middle. People who have never seen or heard of owning their own business through ACN, or any other MLM, will be excited to see what is possible. So what happens next for them? Their excitement leads them into investment and they now own a business. Whats next? This is where the scam idea was born. Most people don’t take advantage of what they have, or just don’t do anything at all, and expect to get paid. Do you really think that by doing nothing, you will magically become part of the 5%? Most people fail in the business through their own personal actions and decide to give ACN a bad name.

It’s not for everybody. It never will be. If everyone joined ACN, you won’t have personal customers besides your own services.

Many people have also experienced other MLMs, many of which were not run right, or were illegal, which gives other MLMs a bad name.

It all depends on how you look at it. If you buy into someone else’s thinking, you buy into their lifestyle. Do you want to learn business from someone who works minimum wage at a fast food restaurant living paycheck by paycheck, or do you want to talk with real, successful business owners, from owning cell phone stores to running car dealerships, who have left their businesses to pursue ACN?

This can be a dangerous world to live in, and people are always weary to new things they have never heard of, especially if it involves money. If it’s not for you, great! Enjoy life, and best to you! If you know the power of owning a business, or multiple businesses, may your life be successful.

Quit asking us so many questions!  If I wanted a lesson on economics I would rush right on over to the local community college and sign up for one.  And give me a break, I doubt the guy who started Dell did not lose a bunch of his friends and family members when he started building pc’s.  You and your upline better come up with a better story clone.  Go peddle your scam elsewhere.  We are not buying your made up stories and your half-witted economics lesson. 

Michael didn’t tell his potential business partners that they’d have to give him $500 while knowing full well that 95% of them would lose that and more. Recruiting for ACN is immoral so long as you know the stats (which we all do)

I meant to say the guy who started Dell probably did not lose a bunch of friends and family members when he started his company.  My bad!!!  And if he did ask them for $500 they are all probably millionaires now because Dell is a legitimate company that produces a real and tangible product.  My company is an authorized Dell reseller and it’s funny, we never had to pay a penny to represent them.  All it took was a credit application.  And we did not even have to pay for the credit check!!!!  Wow can you believe it Edwin.  Not a dime to represent one of the biggest pc manufacturers in the world.  Why does ACN have to charge a fee to set up their sales people?????  If it is a legitimate opportunity you would think they would gladly set up sales agents to promote their stupid video phone and telecom services at no charge.  You would also think they would encourage, train, and nurture their sales team to do well.  Why on earth would they charge them $10 to attend the ridiculous millionaire’s club meetings and make them pay for the promotional/motivational materials?  Edwin, quick call your upline so you can fabricate a story about the $499 going towards administrative fees and licensing applications.  I can’t wait!!!

All I wanna say is I havent Seen or heard anything more FuckedUp as ACN & I bet U wont Either!Rest Assured.

Who are the 3 idiots who clicked on the ‘Like’ button for this post?  ACN clones unite and stand as one.  Your uplines want more recruits.  Now get off the internet and get back to stealing innocent people’s money.

I haven’t made anything because I haven’t been working it either,so that is my own fault. Any business that you purchase cost money! right? Try buying a Subway, or a McDonald’s and see how much that cost, so to invest in ACN was a chance I was willing to take!

Are you replying to an imaginary questionaire, the voices in your head, or is your upline sitting next to you at your pc pressuring you to start recruiting?  I’m tired of you ACN supporters that come on here and try to compare the ACN opportunity to buying a real franchise business.  I know this is what your ACN upline told you but it’s bullshit so quit repeating it.  A real franchise business like a McDonalds or a Subway is a brick and mortar franchise.  It takes a real product, a building, and employees.  It has a supply chain, posted hours of operation, and a federal tax ID.  McDonalds will not even let you open one of their stores if their demographic study shows it may not succeed.  It has no resemblance to the ACN scam.  The ACN scam is run out of crappy apartments and dingy hotel conference rooms.  The product is just a fraud to make the scam legal and supposedly legitimate.  Your upline does not really care if you ever sell a contract above and beyond the services you have signed up for so you can instantly get promoted to the next level in the business.  All they want to see is more recruits with a check for $499.  Cut your losses my friend and run away from this scam.  I don’t mean to be so harsh, but you have been tricked.  Do not make the mistake of trying to trick your friends and family members out of their $499 just to appease the asshole who recruited (tricked) you.   

Yeah Ive been to the business Overview and heard about the money I can make with hard work but the first time I asked my upline how much money he makes he said that’s not the point… Right now you need to ask yourself how much money do YOU want to make! So a week later I’m not to sure if I’m going to spend this 500 to not even get a response on what I can make with 6 month of experience

Unless you find plenty of suckers to pay the $500 you are never going to make much of any money.  The problem is that in a regular business I pay $500 for equipment and I presumably got $500 worth of goods.  What did I get for my $500 paying to become part of ACN?  The right to sell their services.

Advice needed:
So I am hosting my 1st meeting this Wednesday. My best friend got me into it and she is already brain washed … although she doesn’t think she is, she is calling the ‘upper mismanagement’ Cristian Crazies. Her relative has been in ACN for 3 weeks and has already made over $1,000.

Here’s my plan , of course I too am desperate to earn money but if I can’t make my $1,000. bonus for signing up 2 people and 15 points (most services are 2 points each) in 10 days then I am getting my refund back.

If I can make that goal, great… I’ll sit back and see what this residual can do for me … If not I’ll be sure to get my refund after 10 days (if not, right after the meeting considering how it goes).

Also– items such as TV, Computer, Phone Upgrade, clothes can all be considered a tax right off at the end of the day …

So why not ?! 

Wow Really? i guess the government is in on the scam! Cuz with the derugulation of energy we are now “selling” gas and electricity in some states and will be in all states of the USA within 5 Years.

You know who else is in on the SCAM? Sprint, Verizon, Comcast, AT&T, Direct TV, Dish Network  Oh and lets not Forget Mr. Trump, Robert Kiosaki, Zig Ziglar, Andy Andrews should I go on?

First of all you are already calling your friend brain washed and you still want to go through with hosting a meeting?  I don’t get it.  You do know you are just basically stealing people’s money by having them sign up under you right?  And you do understand that your ‘supposed’ best friend stole $500 from you right?  Why then?  Why don’t you take your $500 to the nearest casino and put it all on red or black.  You won’t lose any friends that way and you may get lucky and turn your $500 into a $1,000. I don’t have a clue what ‘upper mismanagement Christian Crazies’ are?  Please explain.  If you are in need of cash as badly as you claim you better just get your $500 now and not trick your friends out of theirs.  And don’t believe everything that comes from an ACN clones mouth.  Your friends relative may just be saying that to her because she is below them on the pyramid and it’s there way of having her convince you.  Please be careful! 

First of all you are already calling your friend brain washed and you still want to go through with hosting a meeting?  I don’t get it.  You do know you are just basically stealing people’s money by having them sign up under you right?  And you do understand that your ‘supposed’ best friend stole $500 from you right?  Why then?  Why don’t you take your $500 to the nearest casino and put it all on red or black.  You won’t lose any friends that way and you may get lucky and turn your $500 into a $1,000. I don’t have a clue what ‘upper mismanagement Christian Crazies’ are?  Please explain.  If you are in need of cash as badly as you claim you better just get your $500 now and not trick your friends out of theirs.  And don’t believe everything that comes from an ACN clones mouth.  Your friends relative may just be saying that to her because she is below them on the pyramid and it’s there way of having her convince you.  Please be careful! 

Yes because again, I am hoping that with the ‘sign on bonus’ and residual I can just sit back and relax for a while.

To be quite honest I don’t see how I am ‘tricking’ anyone out of their money nor am I being tricked. I am explaining how things work as best to my knowledge to those I have invited. I wouldn’t waste my own time with something I didn’t think would work (I’ve been around Cutco, Usana, Amco and ACN seems like the best -or better, yet).

I posted for factual advice – not for some fictitious ‘what if’s’ .

Like I said, if I don’t make the money within 10 days I am dropping it … getting my money back, no biggie . What did I loose? My time ?

Again, please — just facts , please.

Upline, devoted church goer who eventually brings everythin back to God , is what I ment by ‘upper management’ Cristian Crazies. I am just giving the company a shot, again, if I don’t make the goal in 10 days , what am I really loosing ?

THANKS!

Oh ok, I guess I did not state any facts in my reply.  Sorry!!!  Well here are some real truths.  You are perfect for ACN.  Good luck!  You are the typical broke loser that ACN targets.  You want to make your bonus so you can just ‘sit back and relax for a while’?  What do you have to relax from???  Your part time job at Walmart?  Standing in line at the welfare office maybe?  And don’t you see a pattern here?  You have been involved in several multi-level marketing schemes.  You obviously just don’t want to have to work a real job do you?  I guess you are also the typical lazy American who thinks the system will take care of everyone while all of us 9 to 5 losers carry the US tax burden on our shoulders.  And you are also they typical stupid, uneducated ACN clone who can’t spell or use the English language properly.  Maybe that’s why you can’t get a real job.  I even spelled a couple things right for you and you still mispelled them.  It’s Christian not Cristian.  It’s meant not ment.  It’s lose not loose.  It’s lose not loosing.  And in your first post you put upper mismanagement.  What???  Maybe a new part of the ACN training should be how to use spell check on a pc. 

Give me a break please.  In Pennsylvania the ACN losers were all shooting their mouths off about the deregulation of energy a year after it had already happened.  ‘Just you wait until PA deregulates energy.  All of us involved in ACN are going to get rich.  You better sign up before it happens. Just you wait and see.’  Poor stupid ACN clones got caught in another lie.  So sad.  And by the ACN DIVA nobody is using text spelling in the real working world so quit using your abbreviated little text message phrases like ‘cuz’.

Did the company rob you of your sanity, manners and life and cause you wait for people to post on here

Obviously the author did not realize his goal what ever that was.  We find that most people fail not only at ACN but any business because of themselves not because the business was a bad model.  Any business you start has a high percentage of failure just because of the YOU factor.  So sour grapes sows sour wine.  We love ACN and the people who we are in business with are truly great people. 

It is obvious she just came back from one of the pump you up meetings. Am I right or wrong?

Just because you went to an east coast conference and bought into all the lies doesn’t make it true. My eyes were opened even further when my son said ACN claims they are going to start working with Company X here in Houston to sell electricity.  Only problem with that is I JUST quit working for Company X and I know for a fact what he is claiming is against the law for Company X to do… so its ACN popping off the biggest names in the market in aspirations to do one thing but its all in an effort to drum up those $500 a pop.  Oh and to get you to put down the money on a special reserve price for the San Diego convention… kids you guys are so gullible.  Ever ask yourself why there are no “successful” people in ACN over the age of say 35.  Its because they cant get anyone to buy into their BS.  They throw around buzz words get you pumped up and take your money.. congrats.. I thin I am so over trying to dissuade people who want to burn their hands… the fire is right there.  Bye Bye.

What the hell did you just try and say?  Throw a preposition or two in that sentence dummy.  I was never part of ACN.  I went to a meeting at the request of my friend.  I instantly recognized it was a scam and walked out the front door.  Nobody has robbed me of anything.

Yeah right.  And there is a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow right Leprechaun?  Take your ACN lies elsewhere.  This site is devoted to warning people about your scam. 

Thank you, Allan!  And one of the best reasons for NOT having anything to do with ACN is precisely because Donald Trump backs it…

Truth seeker, I want to buy you a beer… seriously.  I’m sorry, if you get sucked into this kind of scam (ignoring everyone who is telling you not to), you deserve to get schooled.  This is how life teaches retards to invest their time and money into more fruitful ventures… I’ve tried to save a couple of my friends from ACN, but apparently they “knew better”.  Now they’re even more broke, and have half the amount of friends they used to.  In all seriousness, anyone even remotely considering this as a source of income is a complete fucking dumb ass, and is probably failing at life to begin with.  Get a real job.  

Hey thanks, but I did not get sucked into this at all.  I got tricked into going to a ‘presentation’ a friend threw.  He basically lied to me telling me he wanted me to meet this guy from Baltimore (yes you John Melton you asshole) who was about to launch this new technology into the market.  He claimed to me it was this huge opportunity and that we would both be in on the ground floor.  Unfortunately, I thought this was going to be a one on one meeting with this douche Melton.  When I arrived at my friends house and saw 20 cars in the driveway I immediately knew something was up.  I should have seen the red flags go up when we had a three way call prior to the meeting and he would not even tell me the name of the company.  All he would say is it had to do with VOIP so I was somewhat intrigued since I use Go To Meeting almost daily in my business.  Ten minutes into that stupid ACN video and this Melton character saying cheesy stuff like ‘when my phone rings it goes ching ching not ring ring’ I got up and walked right out the front door.  Again, thanks for your concern but I just come on here on a regular basis to warn people of this evil scam.  I almost lost a good friend over this so I am somewhat pissed and passionate about this topic.  I am also pissed that this idiot Melton and his stupid bleached blonde wife think that we are all dumb enough to fall for their little scam.  I would like nothing more than to see this scam go away and see John Melton end up in jail with the likes of Bernie Madoff.  The scam that ACN is running is morally no different. F-YOU John Melton, Donald Trump, and any of you loser ACN reps who read this.  

You guys are all ranting about how it is a scam, yet you say acn reps come together to talk about how rich they are going to be, i believe 65% of them are already making a profit whereas you guys are coming together online to talk about how acn is a scam because you guys are those losers who didnt make anything at all..maybe you guys are the failures who thought they could just pay and make money instantly, NOTHING IN LIFE IS EASY 

ACN reps all get together to claim how rich they are, not talk about how rich they are going to be.  They call it the ‘millionaire’s club’ meeting.  It’s held in crappy hotel conference rooms.  They charge other reps $10 to attend.  New recruits can get in for free.  Hmmmm, wonder why that is???  The problem is that it’s all a pack of lies.  1 out of 100 people are making money with ACN.  I don’t know where you got your 65% statistic, but it’s way off base.  Who in their right mind would want to join an organization where 1% or maybe even 2% of the people will succeed?  I would rather put $500 on black at the casino.  I would have a way better chance of ever making any money.  Get your facts straight clone.  Now go tell your upline you screwed up and he will help you come up with a better lie.

One of my friends from my old job and told me about it. Telling me about how I can make 3,000 a month. I was like how someone lazy like you get involved in this. He was telling me that he working with someone very successful and makes about 20,000 to 30,000 a month. I remember in my past someone told me this 6 months before but didn’t do it cuz some strange man that approached me in starbucks. So I thought I should give it a try since my friend was making money and I heard about this more that once.

I put the money down and I was told to watch these motivational videos online. Then I needed some services to become qualified. Bringing people was pretty difficult cuz my upline was telling me this specific words to say and not to say to recruiting people. I didn’t understand at first but they kept telling me to “follow the system”. So I listen to them and I did, eventually I got 2 people signed up and exited about to reach my first position.